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New Superconductor Theory May Revolutionize Electrical Engineering

An anonymous reader writes "High-temperature superconductors exhibit a frustratingly varied catalog of odd behavior, such as electrons that arrange themselves into stripes or refuse to arrange themselves symmetrically around atoms. Now two physicists propose that such behaviors – and superconductivity itself – can all be traced to a single starting point, and they explain why there are so many variations. Most subatomic particles have a tiny magnetic field – a property physicists call 'spin' – and electrical resistance happens when the fields of electrons carrying current interact with those of surrounding atoms. Two electrons can join like two bar magnets, the north pole of one clamping to the south pole of the other, and this 'Cooper pair' is magnetically neutral and can move without resistance. Lee and Davis propose that this 'antiferromagnetic' interaction is the universal cause not only for superconductivity but also for all the observed intertwined ordering. They show how their 'unified' theory can predict the phenomena observed in copper-based, iron-based and so-called 'heavy fermion' materials."

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  1. Good Stuff by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I will go on the record as saying I am 100% in favor of superconductors. All you anti-supercondites can chomp it!

    1. Re:Good Stuff by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, superconductors killed my dad, so I'm looking for an immediate ban. If you don't like that, you can just say that directly to distraught face of my poor widowed mother. Superconductors also stole all of the insurance money and repeatedly raped my sister. Well, she called it rape, but really there was no resistance.

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    2. Re:Good Stuff by vmxeo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Whoa there buddy. I'm not against "super"conductors. I just think we should suspend all research, development or mention of them until they've been proven completely and absolutely safe. We wouldn't want them accidentally polluting our good, clean, natural, organic conductors, now would we? Think of the children!

    3. Re:Good Stuff by slick7 · · Score: 1

      I will go on the record as saying I am 100% in favor of superconductors. All you anti-supercondites can chomp it!

      As long as it can be metered and not free. FTFY

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    4. Re: Good Stuff by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 4, Funny

      I suggest we spend less time researching the "theory" of superconductivity and more time researching intelligent conductivity and the controversy of superconductivity.

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    5. Re:Good Stuff by davester666 · · Score: 1

      And what terrorists will do with them if they were found to be dangerous.

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    6. Re:Good Stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Resistance is futile.

    7. Re:Good Stuff by SomeoneFromBelgium · · Score: 1

      I'm more into super creative design. I think all alternative theories should be given equal value!

    8. Re:Good Stuff by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

      Resistance is V/I.

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    9. Re:Good Stuff by N0Man74 · · Score: 1

      I will go on the record as saying I am 100% in favor of superconductors. All you anti-supercondites can chomp it!

      Viva la resistance!

    10. Re:Good Stuff by leaen · · Score: 1

      Well, superconductors killed my dad, so I'm looking for an immediate ban. If you don't like that, you can just say that directly to distraught face of my poor widowed mother. Superconductors also stole all of the insurance money and repeatedly raped my sister. Well, she called it rape, but really there was no resistance.

      Sorry, we are superconductors. Resistance is futile.

    11. Re: Good Stuff by Zynder · · Score: 1

      Plank's Constant is only 6000 digits long!

  2. Can I has room temperature superconductors? by queazocotal · · Score: 1

    NAO!

  3. Like putting too much air into a balloon! by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    Of course! It's so simple now!

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  4. Re:magnets by ganjadude · · Score: 1, Interesting

    magnets...how do they work???

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  5. Spin a magnetic field? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Spin is an angular momentum, yes it does generates a magnetic momentum that gives origin to a field. But calling spin a field is like calling earth's angular momentum gravity.

    1. Re:Spin a magnetic field? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And calling an electron's spin angular momentum is like calling earth's angular momentum temperature.

    2. Re:Spin a magnetic field? by NicholasRezmerski · · Score: 5, Funny

      You can't fool me, young man-- it's fields ALL the way down!

    3. Re:Spin a magnetic field? by blue+trane · · Score: 1

      If an electron spins like the earth spins, it's revolving at 100 times the speed of light (see http://www7b.biglobe.ne.jp/~kcy05t/spin.html).

    4. Re:Spin a magnetic field? by blue+trane · · Score: 1

      I think the point is that the term "spin" is not, at the quantum level, what we think of when we say a top spins, for example.

    5. Re:Spin a magnetic field? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      2 electrons can have the same 'spin' (which is not actually spin but a quantum state) but be in 2 different states due to having different angular momentum (which also is NOT spin). Look up hydrogen. The /. summary wording is piss poor.

    6. Re:Spin a magnetic field? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      You and whoever has been modding you up should actually go look up quantum mechanics and the hydrogen atom, Maybe this more general article on angular momentum will be helpful. And then maybe look up what those four quantum numbers are used to describe the state of an electron in a hydrogen like atom:

      n - principle quantum number - comes from the radial part of the solution of the Schroedinger equation, determining which shell the electron is in.
      l - orbital quantum number - so named because it is the magnitude of the orbital angular momentum
      m - magnetic quantum number - which is quantization of the projection of orbital angular momentum along an axis determined by a magnetic field
      s - spin quantum number - indicating the direction the quanta of intrinsic spin of the election is pointed in, with or against the magnetic field.

      None of these are the total angular momentum, which would be the vector sum of the spin and orbital angular momentum: J = L + S, and includes a total angular momentum quantum number j=l+s.

    7. Re:Spin a magnetic field? by blue+trane · · Score: 1

      I think it means that spin exists as something we can't really envision (yet), so we just treat it as a mathematical abstraction without a corresponding physical referent we've experienced.

  6. that picture takes me back by 50000BTU_barbecue · · Score: 4, Insightful

    to one of the BASIC test programs for my Commodore 64 that would fill the screen with random / and \ characters, resulting in a similar pattern. If only I'd made the connection to intertwined ordered phases earlier!

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    1. Re:that picture takes me back by 50000BTU_barbecue · · Score: 2
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    2. Re: that picture takes me back by jomama717 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If you have a mac (or any Unicode able terminal) try out my sig. Saw the c64 code in someone else's sig, linked to a book about the phenomenon (maybe too strong a word)

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    3. Re: that picture takes me back by magic+maverick+ · · Score: 1


      You monster! That code deleted everything on my windoze partition, scratched my records, and kicked my dog!

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    4. Re:that picture takes me back by Megane · · Score: 1
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  7. the question is by strack · · Score: 1

    Does it predict any room temperature superconductors?

    1. Re:the question is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      If you keep your room at 2 Kelvin, sure.

    2. Re:the question is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh, boy! Superconductivity at 53 C, according to a website run by some guy whose only verified achievement is landing the "superconductors.org" domain. Stop the presses!

      For the sarcasm-impaired: If someone had, in fact, produced a material that verifiably and reproducibly exhibits superconductivity at such temperatures, it probably would be getting some coverage outside a single vanity domain.

    3. Re:the question is by InvalidError · · Score: 4, Informative

      You do not need 2K for supraconduction: there is at least one class of supraconductor ceramics that works at temperatures as high as 135K and another (YBCO) that works at 92K which makes them relatively simple to cool by simply using liquid nitrogen. Most of the others operate in the 25-55K range.

    4. Re:the question is by wagnerrp · · Score: 1

      Is supraconduction something to do with the starter battery in a Toyota?

    5. Re:the question is by InvalidError · · Score: 1

      If you needed supraconduction to start a car, you could be in trouble unless you lived on one of Jupiter's moons or something..

  8. Does this theory predict room temp superconductors by mark-t · · Score: 1

    Does this theory predict that really high temperature (room temperature or higher) superconductors are possible, or that they are not? If it does, can it indicate anything about what sort of materials we should be trying to use to fabricate it?

  9. Journal Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Would it kill them to link to the original paper? It's not even paywalled:

    http://www.pnas.org/content/110/44/17623.full.pdf+html?sid=5925a7b2-3efe-4a21-99f9-0e448cd3a7cf

  10. Re: Does this theory predict room temp superconduc by gmuslera · · Score: 1

    Maybe it could explain statene

  11. Toscanini by Mister+Liberty · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now there was a superconductor. Odd behaviour and all.

  12. Re: Does this theory predict room temp superconduc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Per the article, statene isn't a superconductor.

    "Although stanene and superconductors can both act like perfect conductors of electricity, Zhang emphasizes that stanene is not a superconductor. While the edges of stanene act as a highway for electrons, those electrons still encounter 'contact resistance' when they move between the stanene and normal conductors. In a superconductor, in contrast, electrons travel in pairs, a phenomenon that can eliminate contact resistance. In other words, a normal conductor essentially acts like a superconductor when it is placed in contact with a superconductor."

  13. my take... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    FWIW, this appears to be mostly first order theory that is able to exhibit the known interactions that are presumed to destabilize known forms of high-temp superconductivity. It isn't a revolutionary idea, many physicists presume that the interaction of the topology of the Fermi-surface are keys to understanding why some high-temp superconductors work and some do not, but I'm guessing these folks are one the first to show a way to generate most of the known interactions in most types of known high-temp superconductors (apparently other people have done this for copper-oxide HTSC) and hence why this is considered a "unified" theory.

    The insight they appear to claim is there aren't certain configurations of Fermi-surfaces that generate interactions that destabilize HTSCs, but the key is in the energy regime of electron-electron interaction of the anti-ferromagnetic interaction itself. It's kind of like saying in the domain of the formation of these superconductivity inhibitors, it's too simplifying to consider energy regime of particle-field interaction (e.g., electron-pair vs Fermi-surface) but you must consider the energy regime of particle-particle interaction.

    Like all things new, it may be a start, but on the other hand, it is still an untested theory (it's a theory crafted to exhibit known results). If it turns out to be predictive, maybe it might lead to something interesting.

    "Ideally we would like to be able to tell the materials scientist to put elements X, Y and Z together," Lee said. "Unfortunately we can't do that yet."

  14. Re:magnets by SteveFoerster · · Score: 1

    It's not the funniest thing I've ever read around here, but it is actually a little funny.

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  15. Betteridge's law for "may" statements by jfengel · · Score: 2

    Seems to me that there ought to be a corollary to Betteridge's law of headlines (A headline with a question mark can be answered by "no") for headlines with the word "may".

    "Scientific advance X may achieve Y" can be read as "Will scientific advance X achieve Y?". To which the answer is "no", followed by "That's how researchers attempt to get more funding for X, a small advance of interest to those in the field but not exactly flying cars, by pretending it might lead to Y, which it almost certainly won't."

    1. Re:Betteridge's law for "may" statements by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Way too much stock is given Betteridge's "law". Wikipedia says he broke his own law. Not much of a law, is it?

    2. Re:Betteridge's law for "may" statements by Merk42 · · Score: 1

      You should write an article on it with the headline "Is Betteridge's law always true?"

    3. Re:Betteridge's law for "may" statements by jfengel · · Score: 1

      Calling it a "law" is an exaggeration for comic effect. But it gets that name because it's common enough to be a recognized trope, indeed overused: you can make a headline more exciting by hinting that a development is more important or that a trend is more pervasive than it actually is. Stories that are important in and of themselves generally have statements rather than questions in the headline.

      Invoking Betteridge's Law may well itself be an over-used trope, but if it is it's only because there's so very, very much call for it. News aggregators like Slashdot serve as concentrators, seeking out the most exciting stories. Ideally, the editors would serve as filters as well, recognizing exaggerated headlines and either ignoring them or putting them back into proper context. Instead, it's usually left to a poster to do that, generally after a lot of excited and/or outraged posting based on the headline. (Because the posters who just read the headline will always get there before people who bothered to RTFA.)

  16. A video of a super conductor by mcswell · · Score: 1
  17. a better summary by Goldsmith · · Score: 4, Informative

    (Why was a poorly written press release linked instead of the actual paper?)

    This paper shows how you can start with an extremely simple theory of electron interaction and build up to some very complicated, realistic superconducting behaviors. When varying the material properties of high temperature superconductors, you always see an antiferromagnetic material type near the superconducting material composition. For many years condensed matter physicists have suspected that this was more than a coincidence and that high temperature superconductors work because of finely tuned antiferromagnetic interactions between electrons. Although this paper simplifies electron interactions considerably (come on, we're physicists, simplification is what we do), it does fill in some of the larger holes in that theory and is an important step toward understanding the physics behind the phenomenological high temperature superconductivity models.

    1. Re:a better summary by Twinbee · · Score: 1

      There was a recent (approx 6-20 month old?) breakthrough (reported on Slashdot) in understanding superconductor behaviour. Do you think this new discovery has sourced information, ideas or data from that old breakthrough?

      If you're not sure what I'm referring to, I'll try and find the story.

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  18. Re:Didn't even read it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    How's that MP3 collection going?

    I considered switching to it but since it's a fairly new format I'm concerned about the longevity of it.

    I'll stick to keeping my collection in RealAudio for now.

  19. Theory/Product May/Will Revolutionize ur life!! by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 2

      That is such a misused statement(s), there is very little chance you ever
      hear of this again, not just this article but anything that's claiming to
      be anything other than an interesting article.

      Remember the glass bottles with a coating inside that made the very last
      drop of ketchup/mayonnaise flow, ending waste? Never heard of it again.

      Mouth wash that used once would completely eliminate tooth decay? Yep, dead story.

      I'm not even taking the time to look for links you all know of some
      "make this a better world" solution that never sees the day of light, let
      alone another word.

    1. Re:Theory/Product May/Will Revolutionize ur life!! by Twinbee · · Score: 1

      A small proportion of such stories do see the light though. Think back to the 'unusual' light from that OLED tech first produced as one example.

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  20. Re:Its kinda obvious by dkf · · Score: 4, Informative

    Too bad China has the monopoly on rare earths.

    They're not actually rare. China has a monopoly mainly by being a very cheap producer of something that requires a lot of messy processing to make; everyone else is happy to let them have a monopoly because it's expensive to do otherwise, not because they actually control all possible sources.

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  21. Re:magnets by kermidge · · Score: 1

    There are easily a half-dozen or so contenders but when I was a lad likely the two most common lies were "The check is in the mail." and "I'll pull out in time."

    Magnets work by selective attraction, not to be confused with beer goggles. Look for the "This sign up." side.

  22. Re:Cooper pair??? by taiwanjohn · · Score: 1
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  23. Re:magnets by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    Get a login, earn some karma and do it yourself, you lazy git.

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  24. Re:Heisenberg Principle by hAckz0r · · Score: 1

    Keep in mind this is not really a freely moving particle being measured, and is actually a bound electron(s) being measured multiple times as it orbits the same atom. And yes, the act of measuring the electron can make it jump to its neighbouring atom's nucleolus, but that would leave a positive void which some other electron would quickly find because of zero resistance of the substrate.

  25. Re:magnets by Spectre · · Score: 1

    Stick them together this way (along their sides):

    [N==S]
    [S==N]

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