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EU Warns Nokia Not To Become a Patent Troll

Barence writes "The vice president of the European Commission's Competition unit has warned Nokia not to become a 'patent troll'. Nokia is in the process of selling its devices business to Microsoft, giving rise to fears that the remaining part of Nokia will make more aggressive use of its patents portfolio. Vice president Joaquin Almunia said that the commission had dismissed the possibility that 'Nokia would be tempted to behave like a patent troll' when it cleared the way for Microsoft to acquire Nokia's devices division – but warned that 'if Nokia were to take illegal advantage of its patents in the future, we will open an antitrust case.' 'I sincerely hope we will not have to,' said Almunia."

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  1. Oh dear by girlintrainingpants · · Score: 4, Funny

    When I worked at Microsoft, we were joking about how this would happen. One guy I knew about in another department actually got canned over just the joking. He literally said "Lolwut" when they fired him. They don't take this stuff lightly anymore!

    1. Re:Oh dear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Microsoft in general don't take too kindly to jokes and fun any more in general.

      I miss the fun Microsoft, the cool developer-friendly Microsoft that were only dickish in a business sense.
      Now they are just plain old dicks.
      Expect Microsoft Research to get scaled back horribly in the coming years as well, they already killed some developer-related services as it is.
      MSR, MSDN and all the dev-related groups were great while they lasted.
      Likewise with Google and how they just killed theirs pretty much. RIP Google Labs.

    2. Re:Oh dear by pspahn · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sounds like your friend was one of the lucky ones.

      Last time I got canned, I was told part of it was because of my "toxic attitude". A few days prior I had sent an email describing how to do something correctly (based on industry accepted practices) and had a conversation with the "Director" about some of the developers in India that were making a mess of several of my projects (he told me to send the email).

      After they gave me my severance and I got home, I started to realize just how lucky I was. Thank god I don't work for that outfit anymore.

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    3. Re:Oh dear by anubi · · Score: 2

      I have been in this business as a design engineer for 40 years. One thing I have seen for sure within the last decade is a strong disdain from the management types toward the creative types.

      My conjecture is that the industry as a whole is saturating, and people fortunate enough to have landed the higher echelons in companies are doing the animal-planet alpha-male thing and running anyone possibly more technically competent than themselves out of the company while they still have the power to do so.

      I am handling it by developing independent products and working with small companies, as my hope for ever working for a big company again is dashed. I can not imagine a company that has the financial resources to hire expensive lawyers and managers has any place for artistic types. I consider myself to be one of the dime-a-dozen gardeners in their eyes. A "computer janitor" as one of my fellow slashdotters noted so eloquently.

      We have got tax and business law so convoluted with special interests that actually doing anything makes little business sense, when there is far more money to be made by throttling competition and selling rights to do anything. I see this going on and on and on as long as the world relies on the US as their bank, as it is well known that bankers eventually end up owning everything due to their capability of not only creating currency out of thin air, but also expecting usury on it that can only be met by their printing yet more currency to pay the amount owed.

      History shows only one way has worked to reset the system, and it ain't pretty. Civilizations have worked just like a relaxation oscillator ( avalanche mode ) for as long as we have recorded history. No reason it stops now. It is not human nature at all for it to stop.

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  2. Part of the plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I suspect that that is a part of Microsoft's business model for the future Nokia.

    It already dabbles in it, but now it will be free to pursue Android manufacturers without having any product of its own which could be attacked in a MAD world.

  3. Typical american slasdotters by bazmail · · Score: 5, Insightful

    American Slashdotter: "Our government ought to do something about these god damned patent trolls!!!!"

    European Government actually does something about patent trolls.

    American Slashdotter: "Damn europeans! Always picking on our good ol hard workin corporations. Its about freedom and choice. Don't they get it."

    1. Re:Typical american slasdotters by ericloewe · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Nokia is as far from a patent troll as you can get. Unfortunately, many just assume that because they sue everyone and their mother they're trolling. They sue everyone and their mother because they invented many crucial parts of the thing everyone and their mother owns.

      Besides, since when is Nokia a "good ol hard workin [American] corporation"?

    2. Re:Typical american slasdotters by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This American Slashdotter thinks it's good. Companies and people should be regulated in proportion to the harm they are capable of doing. Monsanto, a corporation that has literally created PCBs that cover the entire planet, should be regulated to hell. The corner small businessperson shouldn't. I don't see how that is unreasonable.

    3. Re:Typical american slasdotters by bazmail · · Score: 4, Informative

      The European courts have teeth. The US prosecutors just caved in their prosecution of MS. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_Microsoft_competition_case

      "In March 2004, the EU ordered Microsoft to pay €497 million ($794 million or £381 million)...."

    4. Re:Typical american slasdotters by exomondo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Since very recently as you'll soon find out with a quick google..

      Not sure what you're referring to, Microsoft bought the devices division of Nokia but Nokia itself - which is the part being discussed here and the part that owns all the patents - is a Finnish company.

    5. Re:Typical american slasdotters by exomondo · · Score: 2

      The corner small businessperson shouldn't. I don't see how that is unreasonable.

      So you can have the same shrewd business practices so long as you keep some token competitor alive? Anti-competitive practices should be disallowed across the board, not just for the biggest player, it fosters a rotten culture.

  4. Re:Ironic by WWJohnBrowningDo · · Score: 2

    Nokia is in the process of selling its devices business to Microsoft, giving rise to fears that the remaining part of Nokia will make more aggressive use of its patents portfolio.

    RTFS. It's not the sale that's the issue, it's the part that's not being sold that's the issue.

  5. Re:such a reasonable continent you have there by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 2

    We wouldn't do that. Protecting people from predatory practices is the dreaded soociialsshinm.

  6. Re:TROLLL.. TROLL! by bmo · · Score: 4, Informative

    > Particularly ones where they have no product that they offer,

    This is exactly what is going on. What's left of Nokia won't have any manufacturing capacity or products. Another NPE.

    >Motorola

    Motorola makes actual products.

    Being this dumb should hurt.

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  7. Re:TROLLL.. TROLL! by alexander_686 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The difference is that Motorola is actually making phones and doing research while Nokia is just riding the coattails of a division that no longer exists.

    Since Motorola is still in the game it still uses other people patents. If they are a dick towards others then the other patent holders will be dicks towards Motorola. There is an incentive for Motorola to play fair. Nokia does not have that restraint. They could be huge dicks and the other handset manufactures could not retaliate directly against them. Not saying that Nokia will be a dick – just that they could.

  8. What he actually said by Krakadoom · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nowhere does it say that Nokia cannot leverage it's patent portfolio and make a business out of that. The operative word in the Commission statement is "illegal". Being a patent-owning business (and nothing else) is not illegal, nor is licensing the property for considerable fees. Heck, suing for profit isn't either. So the actual value of this statement is minor.

  9. Kingmaker, self by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "but warned that 'if Nokia were to take illegal advantage of its patents in the future, we will open an antitrust case.' 'I sincerely hope we will not have to,' said Almunia."

    This behavior by government officials is, or should be, illegal. Patent trolls are bad, but officials threatening to withhold licensing or "review" it for legal behaviors that have nothing to do with the issue in question is a gross, kingly abuse of power.

    If patent troll behavior of the remnant is illegal, you deal with that directly as a criminal issue.

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    1. Re:Kingmaker, self by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Informative

      They are reacting to the tact that Nokia seems to have divested itself of all physical products and its OS, so how what is left looks kinda like a patent holding company. Of course Nokia say they are R&D, which is fine, the EU is just reminding then that will act quicky in a market that is full of trolls and patent abusers.

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  10. Keep in mind by MoronGames · · Score: 4, Informative

    In 2016, Nokia can re-enter the cell phone market under its own name. This may mean them going back into designing their own phones, or purchasing Jolla, the spin-off company run by former Nokia engineers. Jolla has already put a very nice looking low-end cell phone on the market, and I expect them to continue to build out their smart phone portfolio in the near future. I can definitely see them once again becoming a part of Nokia in 2016. I don't think Nokia would be content to remain a patent-only business. Also, keep in mind, they are retaining their very lucrative mapping business as well.

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  11. Re:Typical EU vs. US by Mister+Liberty · · Score: 2

    "I'd say that the US is trying to do something about trolls"

    Been out of country for a week. Could I have missed anything so badly?

  12. Re:Nokia? by osu-neko · · Score: 2

    I need a phone not a damned computer.

    Precisely. My Nokia is a much better phone by virtue of the fact that it doesn't try to be anything but a phone. It has one job to do, and it does it well with a much more compact and energy efficient package than a "smartphone" that is neither as good a phone as my Nokia nor as good a computer as my PC, compromising its ability to do either well by trying to be both at once.

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  13. Microsoft R&D by DrYak · · Score: 2

    On the other hand, to outsider like me, Microsoft's R&D center has over the last several years looked more to center who's role is to find occupation for big brains so they are kept in microsoft's clutch instead of going to innovate elsewhere.

    Microsoft has had tons of fun tech demos. (Photosynth, for exemple, for a visually appealing one. I was under the impression that Microsoft was among the first to show software doing something to gather visual data from tons of references pictures. Microsoft Singularity introduced tons of cool idea: a concurrent managed language whose characteristics make it possible to be formally and provably analysed for security, subsequently software process separation and lightweight microthreads, and thus a microkernel based OS almost entirely inmanageable code, with provable process isolation, and with little of the microkernel task-switching associated costs).
    But almost nothing came out of these research (Photosynth end-up eventually being released to the public, after a while. Meanwhile, the visual processing world has gone crazy, both in the fundamental research [automatic on the-fly removal of objects from video; or horizontal compression *without* actually stretching object, instead just removing un-needed details; and all the other cool tech demo that are featured on slashdot every other week]. Singularity has gone no where, the current crop of Microsoft OSes [windows 8.1, X-Box] are juste the last generation+1. Meanwhile, Scala has become one of the hot functional language to actually see widespread business usage. LLVM is the compiler getting improved to the point that some provability can be asserted even on imperative language like C [and thus can be used to do more advanced/provable security checks than memcheck, etc] while GCC has also its crop of security-test instrumentation [some taken from LLVM], Stackless Python is the hot topic for microthreads without hardware penalty [and actual massive applications like EVE-Online], etc. )

    The only success that Microsoft can pat itself on the back about, is that during this time these brain have been wasted inside Microsoft's R&D departement and thus haven't gone working for a competitor and made their discoveries there subsequently turning them into actual products competing with Microsoft's stagnating shit).

    Sad part? The absence of strong business successes following that research will probably used by the MBAs as additionnal proof that R&D should be sacked in favour of Sales/Marketing.

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