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Canada Post Announces the End of Urban Home Delivery

Lev13than writes "Canada Post is phasing out urban home delivery, raising the price of a letter to $1 and cutting 8,000 jobs to cope with dwindling volume and a projected loss of $1B/year by 2020. About 1/3 of Canadian homes currently get mail delivered to their door. Deliveries will remain weekdays-only and business will be unaffected (at least for now). Much like the USPS, Canada Post is mandated to be self-funded, but 5% annual volume declines and rising costs are taking their toll."

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  1. Slightly misleading. by PhotoJim · · Score: 5, Informative

    Buying stamps half a dozen at a time reduce first class rates to $0.85; businesses using postage meters will get $0.75. Not cheap, and still a big increase, but the $1 rate will be paid by a very small number of people too cheap to buy stamps six at a time.

    As for home delivery, it'll be sad to lose it but the alternative, the community mailbox a few doors down from most houses, will have one advantage: parcels will be loaded into it for you to pick up. Currently if you're not home you have to drive to the nearest sub-post office to get your parcels. This will be way more convenient.

    1. Re:Slightly misleading. by TWX · · Score: 2

      As for home delivery, it'll be sad to lose it but the alternative, the community mailbox a few doors down from most houses, will have one advantage: parcels will be loaded into it for you to pick up. Currently if you're not home you have to drive to the nearest sub-post office to get your parcels. This will be way more convenient.

      I see a whole lot of mail returned to sender for being abandoned, or being discarded for being abandoned, in those communal mailboxes. I also see a lot of people only visiting their mailboxes weekly, like how they take out their trash cans for the truck to pick up, so mailboxes will be even bigger targets for thieves as there'll be more payoff for the effort than before.

      What I don't get is why they just don't just raise the price of first-class mail. In the US, as a lower-volume mailer I'd be okay with spending a dollar to mail something, I end up mailing something about four times a year. It'd still be cheaper than using UPS or FedEx or the like...

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    2. Re:Slightly misleading. by CreatureComfort · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'd rather they raise the rates on all the business class garbage I receive. 9/10 of everything I get local delivered is a sales pitch to "Current Resident".

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    3. Re:Slightly misleading. by davecb · · Score: 3, Informative

      They don't at our cottage, where this is already in place. Instead, the boxes are about half as big as necessary, and the driver sticks a card in the box. You get to drive in to town to pick them up at the post office.

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    4. Re:Slightly misleading. by compro01 · · Score: 4, Informative

      What I don't get is why they just don't just raise the price of first-class mail. In the US, as a lower-volume mailer I'd be okay with spending a dollar to mail something, I end up mailing something about four times a year. It'd still be cheaper than using UPS or FedEx or the like...

      Because unlike in Canada where Canada Post control their own rates, postal rates in the USA are controlled by Congress, several members of which have interest in sabotaging the USPS.

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    5. Re:Slightly misleading. by compro01 · · Score: 2

      I'm sure Canada Post is just fine with you using Purolator rather than parcel post, given that they own Purolator.

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    6. Re:Slightly misleading. by Guspaz · · Score: 2

      It's already cheaper to send most packages either UPS or Purolator ground ship.

      Hidden irony: Canada Post owns Purolator.

    7. Re:Slightly misleading. by nblender · · Score: 5, Interesting

      wrong. I've had one of these community mailboxes for years. I don't mind going across the street to get my mail. What I mind is my parcels don't get deposited in the box because there are only 2 parcel boxes per community mailbox. The 'sub post office' you mention is a drug store 8km from my house. The post office depot is in the back corner of the drug store, kitty corner to the doors. The aisles are all set up so you have to zig-zag through the store past all sorts of impulse-buy type merchandise and finally past the perfume counter staffed by sales people who are eager to spray a fragrance into the air as you walk through it. Then you have to stand in line with a dozen or so other disgruntled citizens who are there to pickup their parcel as well. The parcels are stored in the back room and the haggard worker (singular, one only) has to do a linear search for each parcel. Picking up my parcels is like lining up for meat in cold-war era east-germany.

      The other minor issue that I have is the CP worker doesn't come to the door with parcels that need to be signed for; even though they are supposed to. They just fill out a card and leave it in my mailbox. On occasions where I know my wife was home and home all day, I would check my ZoneMinder setup and see the postal truck pull up at the box across the street, and then pull away, with no attempt to even come to the door. When I get home, there's a notice in the box that says "Attempted delivery failure - No answer" and it means I have to line-up for bread again.

      I wonder why CP is losing money?

    8. Re:Slightly misleading. by travisco_nabisco · · Score: 2

      I don't know where you have been for the last few years because stamps in Canada no longer have a face value for domestic letter mail. They have a 'p' on the stamp and is sufficient postage for mailing one standard letter envelope even if the rate goes up since you purchased the stamp.

    9. Re:Slightly misleading. by rahvin112 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sabotage? No sabotage isn't postal rates, it's requiring that the USPS prefund 75 years of retirement pension in 10 years. That means in 10 years they have to fund the retirement for employees that haven't been born yet. That's sabotage. Refusing to raise stamp prices to pay for the prefunding requirement is just following through on the real sabotage.

    10. Re:Slightly misleading. by AuMatar · · Score: 2

      That happens anyway. I check my mail 3 or 4 times a year when the mailman mentions its overflowing. Its still rare that I get more than 2 pieces of actual mail on those occasions. Everything important is electronic these days.

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    11. Re:Slightly misleading. by sunderland56 · · Score: 2

      the community mailbox a few doors down from most houses, will have one advantage: parcels will be loaded into it for you to pick up.

      If the item fits in the box, sure. If it is larger than a loaf of bread, well, you're driving.

    12. Re:Slightly misleading. by schnell · · Score: 4, Insightful

      9/10 of everything I get local delivered is a sales pitch to "Current Resident".

      Exactly. Those guys, by sheer volume, are the ones paying enough money to keep the lights on at the post office. If they raise that rate too much, then advertisers will just find another, more cost-effective medium and the price of your Christmas card to grandma will go up to about $3, or maybe even more.

      As unfortunate as it is, that crapmail is what is subsidizing the rest of the traditional government-chartered snail mail industry. And sorting through all the crapmail is the price (no pun intended) we pay for sending letters for less than the $8-$12 FedEx will charge you for a letter-size envelope at their slowest delivery pace.

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    13. Re:Slightly misleading. by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      What's really interesting, however, is that the postal carrier's union was a strong proporent of that 75-year prefunding law.

    14. Re:Slightly misleading. by ahodgson · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The anti-Harperites are generally not anti-government. They just want the NDP in charge.

    15. Re:Slightly misleading. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If they raise that rate too much, then advertisers will just find another, more cost-effective medium and the price of your Christmas card to grandma will go up to about $3, or maybe even more.

      Sounds good! I sent, maybe, two paper letters last year. I would be delighted to eliminate all junk mail from my mailbox for only $6.

    16. Re:Slightly misleading. by thegarbz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How is that interesting? Most union shops hold their employer to ransom to the point where it's almost uneconomical to run the business. You can see examples of this all the time like how the already best paid airline maintenance teams in Australia decided to go on strike because the Airline didn't agree to their exorbitant pay rise demands.

      It would be more interesting if a union agreed to some reasonable terms for a chance.

    17. Re:Slightly misleading. by g1powermac · · Score: 2

      As a former rural carrier, I can say that the 'bulk business mail' (not allowed to say junk mail when you work for the USPS) does make up a good portion of the volume. However, the volume of bulk mail is barely staying stable. A steep rise in cost may cause it to plummet like first class. What is really keeping the doors open at the USPS, especially after talking with some of my friends at the local post office is the insane increase of packages. Amazon has shifted a tremendous amount of package volume to the post office, either directly, or via UPS SmartPost type things. Package volumes at my former post office are so high right now that they've had to send substitute carriers just to help deliver packages that the normal carrier can't fit in their vehicle. I've never seen that before when I worked there.

    18. Re:Slightly misleading. by g1powermac · · Score: 2

      As a former carrier, I can tell you that carrier was acting as legally required. They're not allowed to throw away mail at all, even at the request of the resident. Doing so will get you fired and/or in handcuffs very quickly. A carrier can only set aside undeliverable bulk mail that a clerk will later throw out. And only standard rate mail without a "Or Current Resident" endorsement going to a resident who doesn't live at the address (or all bulk mail going to a vacant address that doesn't have 'forwarding service requested' endorsement) can be given to the clerks as undeliverable. The rest is either forwarded, sent back as unable to forwarded, or delivered. Btw, some post offices will let you sign up for a list to stop delivering 'boxholders'. Those are the things that either weekly newspaper or flyer type things that have coupons and such.

  2. Some people won't bother to pick up mail by mark-t · · Score: 2

    Especially people who are disabled or elderly and are very well accustomed to having mail delivered right to their door...

    So any mail they get through normal post will just sit and accumulate in their box... essentially turning these community boxes into a litter farm.

    1. Re:Some people won't bother to pick up mail by Russ1642 · · Score: 2

      Oh please. There are already tons of places in Canada doing it this way. The walk to the end of the street to the mailbox isn't going to have that kind of impact.

    2. Re:Some people won't bother to pick up mail by nbauman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I have arthritis. I can walk 4 blocks to the supermarket and back, but by the time I get home it's painful. But what am I going to do? I want my independence.

      My post office stopped delivering packages, and I have to pick them up at the local post office. Every time I see a slip in my mailbox for a package, it means another painful trip to the post office.

  3. Delivering urban homes is hard work. by gumpish · · Score: 3, Funny

    Canada Post is phasing out urban home delivery

    Well, delivering homes sounds awfully resource intensive and is probably a departure from their charter to deliver mail.

  4. How many licks does it take... by magusxxx · · Score: 2

    One year the USPS went before Congress to explain why a postage increase was necessary. Two weeks after it was approved the heads split several million dollars worth of bonuses. Wonder how much they're getting this year.

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  5. ePost by lazarus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Canada Post already has something called ePost, which makes most regular postal mail obsolete now. It sounds to me like they're helping to put traditional postal mail out of business anyway.

    I'd like to have no mailbox altogether. The notion that I have a "postal" address (which everybody wants for some reason) that a human being drives a car to so they can fill it with unwanted matter printed on processed dead trees is completely ridiculous. Give me ePost for bills and a local post office for packages and I'm good.

    What's your address? 127.0.0.1. Same as yours.

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    1. Re:ePost by camperdave · · Score: 2

      Give me ePost for bills and a local post office for packages and I'm good.

      So how do you get your Christmas cards?

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  6. Re:I don't understand by Xeno+man · · Score: 2

    Those are packages. While package delivery is up, letter volume is way down. Over all the post office is still making less money.

  7. Re:This kills on-line businesses by compro01 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Boxes don't work for parcels, even in apartment buildings, where they used heavily. Parcel delivery has the same problem with boxes: everyone ends up getting a postcard and schlepping off to the local pickup point because the darned boxes aren't big enough to hold the parcel. And big boxes are unaffordable!

    Canada Post thought of that years ago. The community mailboxes have sizable parcel compartments (usually two, one "C" size (13.5x30.5x35cm) and one "D" size (30.5x30.5x35cm) for every 18 normal "B" size (13.5x12.5x35cm) mailboxes) built into them. If you have a parcel, they stick it in the parcel compartment and put the key for it in your own mailbox.

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  8. A country without a fucntioning post office by drwho · · Score: 2

    ...is not a country.

  9. Re:This kills on-line businesses by fish+waffle · · Score: 4, Funny

    ..and then you copy the key and have free random parcels forever?

  10. Wait. What? by geekd · · Score: 2

    "About 1/3 of Canadian homes currently get mail delivered to their door" WHAT?

    I'm an American, and I have always lived in a city or the suburbs. I guess I take to-my-door mail delivery as a basic human right. I thought all first world countries had this.

    Wow. my mind is blown.

  11. Re:Wait. What? by rueger · · Score: 2

    As a Canadian I'm seriously embarrassed. A few years ago I lived in the US and was astonished that USPS was fast, reliable, and that people actually trusted it to deliver on-time. And even had Saturday delivery.

    Canada Post has been under attack for a couple of (post Thatcher era) decades - part of the overall belief that government shouldn't actually supply essential services. It's now reached the point where postal mail is the last thing you think of when something has to be delivered.

    Call me an old fashioned socialist fool, but there are a lot of things that government should provide to any functioning society: police, mail delivery, and public transit to begin with. Education and health care as well. Those are why we pay taxes - to ensure that essential services are available to everyone.

    It's time to get rid of the idiotic mantra that government should be run like business. A lot of businesses are corrupt, nasty, inefficient, and act in ways that an individual would never be allowed. A lot of businesses close in the first year. A lot of businesses are run by idiots.

  12. Able-bodied unemployed...yet cuts in delivery? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not sure why people blindly accept government "trade-offs" like this like well-trained sheep.

    On the one hand, we have a large number of able-bodied, sometimes well-educated people unable to find work, and often receiving government checks (for unemployment, etc.) On the other hand, we are announcing that we don't have the manpower to walk packages to doors.

    Why can't we say something like, "OK, so you're unemployed, but you're also a high school graduate who can walk at least three miles a day. If you want a check, food stamps, health care, whatever, could you please get off your ass for two hours a day and deliver mail to everyone on these six blocks?"