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UK Retailer Mistakenly Sends PS Vitas, Threatens Legal Action To Get Them Back

New submitter Retron writes "The BBC brings news that British retailer Zavvi mistakenly sent out PlayStation Vitas to people who had preordered a game called Tearaway. The company is now threatening legal action against those who have kept theirs despite a request to return them. It's unclear whether the Distance Selling Act protects consumers who have mistakenly been sent an expensive item, and forums such as Eurogamer seem divided on the issue."

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  1. Jackpot by Dan541 · · Score: 4

    I'd keep it.

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    1. Re:Jackpot by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 5, Informative

      "I'd keep it."

      In the U.S., if you receive merchandise you did not order, there are several rules that apply. I believe these are probably the most relevant:

      A) You can keep it, unless (or until) the provider requests that you return it.

      B) If whoever sent it to you does request its return, they are liable for the shipping cost, and you can charge a "reasonable" storage and maintenance fees for the product while it was in your custody.

    2. Re:Jackpot by symbolset · · Score: 4, Informative

      In the US if a vendor sends you an unrequested product you are allowed to keep it. The law is to protect people from bogus sales scams. No idea what the law is in the EU though.

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    3. Re:Jackpot by Solozerk · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No idea either - however, something close happened to me a few years ago.
      I ordered an e-ink ebook reader (for 200+ euros) as well as a cover (~20 euros) for the same. A few days later, package arrives: there were two ebook readers in it, no cover at all. I said to myself "lucky ! they made a mistake", did not tell the online store they did (it was a large, national one - I have no guilt over this), and proceeded to order two covers on the same store for the two readers I now possessed.
      A few days later, package arrives, contains two other ebook readers. At that point I thought "what the hell", and ordered four covers, one for each of the readers, half expecting four new readers to arrive. This time however, they had fixed the mistake, and I received the product I ordered - the four covers. At that point, me and my flatmates (there were four of us) each had a reader and a cover to go with it anyway.

      Frankly, I expected them to at least contact us or use legal action, but the only thing that happened is that we received a phone call with a weird guy asking us "did you order something online recently ?". We simply asked who he was and he answered "I can't tell you that", at which point we simply hung up. Never heard from them again.
      This suggests to me that since they made the mistake, they weren't allowed to try and get the products back - I could be wrong though, and I was overseas from said online store at the time, so they may simply have considered that legal action in another country would simply cost them too much.

    4. Re:Jackpot by bobbied · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'd keep it.

      But what is the *right* thing to do? Legal issues aside, if somebody sends me something by mistake, then asks for it back, they are getting it back because that's what I would want them to do if I sent them something by mistake.

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    5. Re:Jackpot by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 5, Informative

      "You just contradicted yourself. It is unsolicited merchandise precisely because you solicited something else."

      If you take it literally, yes. But you are being too literal.

      The U.S. law about "unsolicited merchandise", is a law against somebody sending you something you hadn't asked for, then trying to force you to pay for it. It is considered to be a form of "unfair" trade practice.

      But the law only applies if somebody is doing it on purpose. Mistakes are not "unfair trade practices". Sending you something other than what you DID ask for, if it is a mistake, is not an intent to defraud you and so the unsolicited merchandise law does not apply. You see?

    6. Re:Jackpot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Just be a jerk about it : Offer to return it if they pay a $50 handling fee, given they inconvenienced you and no prior contract existed. Or they can come collect it if they can catch you at home during business hours. Or whatever. They'll probably just pay up if you only ask for a reasonable sum that's less than hassling you would cost.

    7. Re:Jackpot by Dahamma · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly. I never understood people who exploit obvious bugs/mistakes and then get all indignant when a company refuses to "honor" their exploit. It's just a complete lack of some basic moral compass.

      I'd imagine these sorts of people would also say "cool, I was owed $10 and accidentally got back $30 in change, my lucky day!" instead of "hey, looks like you gave me too much change, here, wouldn't want you to get in trouble!"

      Then again, there is only so far one can go. I was once delivered a different dresser from one I ordered (one that cost about 3x and was much nicer in every way). I called and left two messages explaining this, but never got a response. Fine with me!

    8. Re:Jackpot by EdIII · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't have a problem with returning it. That's the spirit of the golden rule anyways.

      I've had these issues before and while some actually expected me to pay for shipping, most were happy enough to provide a shipping label.

      Takes 5 minutes to drop the package off the next time I'm at lunch.

      Unless it really does place an undue burden upon you to return it, I don't even see how this is an ethics issue up for debate.

    9. Re:Jackpot by canadian_right · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If it seems like an honest mistake, I send it back. I've been sent the wrong order by amazon twice, and I contact them, arrange to get paid for shipping and send it back. My personal honesty and integrity are more important than a few dollars.

      If I'm sent something out of the blue I did not order with an invoice I will keep it and ignore the invoice as this is a scam.

      I was shocked that people would post in public that they are dishonest - and brag about it.

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    10. Re:Jackpot by dead_user · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Several years ago the company I worked for ordered 2 Dell workstations. A few days later they both came in, but the service tags didn't match the ones we ordered. In fact, they were just numbers. Weird. Whatever. The next day two identical workstations showed up with the original correct service tags. I called our service rep and explained that they had over-shipped the machines, plus the weirdness with the Service Tags that didn't actually look like legit numbers. It took me nearly two weeks to return 2 PC's that Dell insisted couldn't exist because the service tags weren't valid. Since the tags weren't valid their system couldn't issue an RGA.

      My best guess is that someone was stealing systems somehow.

      Besides, I see no need to tempt karma.

    11. Re:Jackpot by XcepticZP · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Given all that, I care little for their ~540 euros loss. Had it been a smaller store, I would certainly have pointed the mistake (but even then, I might not have sent the product back, unless it was a very small shop).

      See, there's your problem right there. Just because they have lots of money, doesn't mean it's okay for you to defraud them. I blame a basic misunderstanding of Robin Hood and the lessons it tried to put forward that a lot of people completely miss. You need to address your own internal biases. How would you feel if you accidentally gave a homeless man a hundred dollar bill instead of a dollar bill, and he decided to keep it because "he cares little for your $100 loss" due to him thinking you make more money than him. What if you had dropped it by accident, and he picked it up without telling you about it? These are all questions you need to ask yourself if you want to be a moral human being. Stealing is wrong, no matter how much you think the other guy deserves his possessions or not. If you can't have an absolute set of morals, then you're just an opportunistic jack ass, and what little morals you do have are worth nothing.

  2. Re:Letter o' the Law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you'd read the law, you'd see that this isn't the case. From the relevant law, which is linked to in TFA:
     
     

    24.—(1) Paragraphs (2) and (3) apply if—

    (a) unsolicited goods are sent to a person (“the recipient”) with a view to his acquiring them;

    (b) the recipient has no reasonable cause to believe that they were sent with a view to their being acquired for the purposes of a business; and

    (c) the recipient has neither agreed to acquire nor agreed to return them.

    (2) The recipient may, as between himself and the sender, use, deal with or dispose of the goods as if they were an unconditional gift to him.

    (3) The rights of the sender to the goods are extinguished.
     

  3. Send them back and get over it. by Dega704 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Mistakes happen. They weren't expecting them so it shouldn't be too heartbreaking to return them. I'll probably get flamed for this, but you have to be one self-entitled little twerp to expect to be able to keep it. As long as Zawi pays for shipping they have every right to want them back. If you mistakenly shipped something expensive to the wrong address, would you be miffed if they refused to return it? Who wouldn't?

    1. Re:Send them back and get over it. by Dega704 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't give a flying crap because this isn't about the law. It's about common decency. You would be cursing said law instead of citing it if the same thing had happened to you.

    2. Re:Send them back and get over it. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Funny

      It warms my heart to know that you spend your precious free time posting on Slashdot.

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  4. Greed, pure and simple by enoz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If the situation was reserved, say the customers received £19.99 Tearaway after ordering a £169.99 PS Vita, they would be fighting to return it.

    The customers received an item that was worth more than what they paid, and are simply being greedy.

    1. Re:Greed, pure and simple by purplie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No. I bill my time at $200 per hour. Someone wants me to spend half an hour fixing their logistics error, for free? And involuntarily?

  5. It is not your property. by DM9290 · · Score: 4, Informative

    As a general rule you are not the owner of property sent to you in error.

    If someone _deliberately_ sends unsolicited property to you, then the usual rule is this is presumptively a gift.

    If someone _accidentally_ sends property to you then the usual rule is that ownership is not transferred automatically.

    However if you reasonably assumed it was a gift then you might have lost it or sold it thinking it was your own, and since the error was not yours, you would not be liable. On the other hand, it is unreasonable to think a store would send you a video game system for no reason. And a reasonable person who orders something from a store, and recieves the wrong product would first suspect an error on the stores part. If you contact the store and they say "nope it is a gift!" then you can keep it.

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  6. Re:Gray area? Not in the US by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Funny

    Anything you didn't ask for is unsolicited by definition.
    dumb ass.

    This is literally why I come to Slashdot. Nothing warms my heart like an unsolicited insult. I'm all smiling inside.

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  7. Re:Gray area? Not in the US by Lendrick · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It sounds to me like the retailer would not only be out of luck on the consoles, but would still owe people their games.

    If I received a Vita in the mail from a retailer, this being the Holiday season, my first assumption would be that someone gave me a Vita, not that the retailer sent it to me accidentally. At that point, I'd probably buy some games for it and start using it. If the retailer then demanded it back, not only have I spent money buying games for it, I now have to spend the extra time packaging it to return it (and possibly the money, too). I don't owe them that inconvenience just because they sent me the wrong thing, and furthermore, they still owe me a game.

  8. Re:Gray area? Not in the US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    They solicited merchandise and the wrong stuff was shipped. That's not the legal definition of unsolicited merchandise. These laws are designed to prevent fraud, not punish people for mistakes. Here's what the FTC says

    Q. What should I do if the unordered merchandise I received was the result of an honest shipping error?

    A. Write the seller and offer to return the merchandise, provided the seller pays for postage and handling. Give the seller a specific and reasonable amount of time (say 30 days) to pick up the merchandise or arrange to have it returned at no expense to you. Tell the seller that you reserve the right to keep the merchandise or dispose of it after the specified time has passed.

    Keeping something you know belongs to someone else is theft.

  9. Re:Keep it by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The company should just admit they made a mistake and politely request a return...

    They did try that first. The customer (singular, that we know of, so far) failed to respond.

    [Games blog Dark Zero] published a "final notice" letter sent to one [emphasis mine] Zavvi customer who had originally ordered a copy of the platform game Tearaway.

    "As you are aware, as a result of a technical error, you were not sent Tearaway (priced at approximately £19.99) and instead were sent a PS Vita (priced at approximately £169.99). This was an error on our part and we apologise for any inconvenience this has caused you," it said.
    Tearaway Affected customers had only expected to receive the game Tearaway

    "We have tried to contact you on numerous occasions [emphasis mine] to give you the opportunity to return this item to us (at our cost and no inconvenience to yourself), but to date you have refused to do so.

    At this point I'd say the company are reasonable in assuming this guy just wants to keep the Vita despite having no claim to it.

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  10. Re:A US perspective by Belial6 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Of course it is considered as an unasked for gift. If it wasn't, the mail order scam of sending out unrequested product would never have gone away. The companies that forced the law into existence would have just switched to offering some low value product at cost and shipping some other product with ridiculous markup. Thus, completely skirting the law.

    I'm sorry Mr. Smith, we mistakenly sent you the $99.99 WHITE cheddar cheese log by mistake instead of the $6.99 YELLOW cheddar cheese log. Please return it immediately. Oh, it was eaten at your Christmas party? Just give us your credit card number and we can charge the extra $93.00 to your card.