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Polynesians May Have Invented Binary Math

sciencehabit writes "How old is the binary number system? Perhaps far older than the invention of binary math in the West. The residents of a tiny Polynesian island may have been doing calculations in binary—a number system with only two digits—centuries before it was described by Gottfried Leibniz, the co-inventor of calculus, in 1703."

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  1. There were 10 types of ancient societies by Cryacin · · Score: 4, Funny

    Those who understood binary, and those who didn't.

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    1. Re:There were 10 types of ancient societies by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I thought they invented polynomials.

    2. Re:There were 10 types of ancient societies by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 4, Funny

      They also used coconut shells as both bowls and for fuel. Polymorphism, if you will.

    3. Re:There were 10 types of ancient societies by Mateorabi · · Score: 5, Funny

      No there are 10 types of people:
      Those that understand binary
      Those that don't
      And those that don't realize the joke is base-3.

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    4. Re:There were 10 types of ancient societies by ozmanjusri · · Score: 2

      That's what they were after they left the island.

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  2. How is this news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Different cultures have been counting in bases other than base-10 for all of human history. Of course a gentleman in the 18th century wasn't the first to use binary.... that's preposterous.

    The Mayans, for example, counted in based 20 (supposedly because they counted on both their fingers and, thanks to a warm climate, exposed toes).

    1. Re:How is this news? by JustOK · · Score: 5, Funny

      There was a Mayan tribe that went around naked. The men used base 21 and the women base 22

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  3. "Discovered" would be more appropriate by jatoo · · Score: 2

    Binary mathematics was always there.

    Australian aborigines have been known to use the binary system as well.

    Being able to count to 512 on your fingers can be handy!

    1. Re:"Discovered" would be more appropriate by PIBM · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm sorry for you! If you had all of your fingers, you'd make it to 1023!

    2. Re:"Discovered" would be more appropriate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      GP probably uses signed integers.

    3. Re:"Discovered" would be more appropriate by pesho · · Score: 2

      The only number that i need to count in binary on my fingers is 4: oo1oo

    4. Re:"Discovered" would be more appropriate by sconeu · · Score: 2

      You have six fingers on your right hand.... Someone is looking for you.

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    5. Re:"Discovered" would be more appropriate by mugnyte · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's called thumb's-complement - still in IEEE committee, but quite handy.

    6. Re:"Discovered" would be more appropriate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      So you are always negative when good looking women are around..... Sorry for you.

    7. Re:"Discovered" would be more appropriate by dgatwood · · Score: 2

      Not sure if one, two, many is a myth, but one to many is a database relationship.

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  4. What's with this "may"? by newcastlejon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Either they did or they didn't.

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    1. Re:What's with this "may"? by jones_supa · · Score: 2

      Exactly! It's either 1 or 0 when talking about binary!

  5. Poly? by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wouldn't that be "Binesians"?

  6. Binary is much older than Leibniz... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Leibniz freely admits that he took ideas from the I Ching: http://www.leibniz-translations.com/binary.htm

    What is amazing in this reckoning is that this arithmetic by 0 and 1 is found to contain the mystery of the lines of an ancient King and philosopher named Fuxi, who is believed to have lived more than 4000 years ago, and whom the Chinese regard as the founder of their empire and their sciences.2 There are several linear figures attributed to him, all of which come back to this arithmetic, but it is sufficient to give here the Figure of the Eight Cova, as it is called, which is said to be fundamental, and to join to them the explanation which is obvious, provided that one notices, firstly, that a whole line — means unity, or 1, and secondly, that a broken line -- means zero, or 0.

    The Chinese lost the meaning of the Cova or Lineations of Fuxi, perhaps more than a thousand years ago, and they have written commentaries on the subject in which they have sought I know not what far out meanings, so that their true explanation now has to come from Europeans. Here is how: It was scarcely more than two years ago that I sent to Reverend Father Bouvet,3 the celebrated French Jesuit who lives in Peking, my method of counting by 0 and 1, and nothing more was required to make him recognize that this was the key to the figures of Fuxi. Writing to me on 14 November 1701, he sent me this philosophical prince's grand figure, which goes up to 64, and leaves no further room to doubt the truth of our interpretation, such that it can be said that this Father has deciphered the enigma of Fuxi, with the help of what I had communicated to him. And as these figures are perhaps the most ancient monument of [GM VII, p227] science which exists in the world, this restitution of their meaning, after such a great interval of time, will seem all the more curious.

  7. "Ethiopian" or "Egyprian" multiplication by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This uses binary math, though not quite explicitly: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egyptian_multiplication

  8. The Chinese (of course) by nightcats · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Perhaps an apocryphal story, but it goes that Leibniz was introduced to the I Ching (Yijing) oracle by a Catholic missionary friend who had gotten it translated into Latin (must have been strange). Anyway, the story goes that Leibniz instantly recognized the binary system in the 64 hexagrams and 8 trigrams. The I Ching is somewhere between 2,500 and 4,000 yrs. old in the format and ordering it still has today.

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  9. Dear World by Arancaytar · · Score: 3, Funny

    You now owe us royalties on every digital computer built in the last century. Please pay the total of one gazillion dollars to the following bank account.

    -Signed, Polynesia

    1. Re:Dear World by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      the Romans are still trying to collect on the written representation for the decimal system

      They are paid and clear; all that gold and treasure at the Vatican.

  10. Europeans used binary before Liebniz or Polynesia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Humans used binary long before Leibniz and long before the Polynesians mentioned in the article. For one example:

    2 tablespoons = 1 ounce
    2 ounces = 1 jack
    2 jacks = 1 gill
    2 gills = 1 cup
    2 cups = 1 pint
    2 pints = 1 quart
    2 quarts = 1 pottle
    2 pottles = 1 gallon
    2 gallons = 1 peck
    2 pecks = 1 kenning
    2 kennings = 1 bushel
    2 bushels = 1 strike
    2 strikes = 1 coomb
    2 coombs = 1 hogshead
    2 hogsheads = 1 butt

  11. Language by Dan+East · · Score: 2

    Studies of the Mangareva language in the 1930s recorded that it contained specific words for 10, 20, 40 and 80. Sort of like how English has special words "dozen" and "score" for specific quantities. Their culture and language has been nearly obliterated by external influences over the centuries, so all that remains is the fact that they had special words (beyond their normal numbers) for those values. That could be pure coincidence, or it could indicate that they worked with binary numbers and thus had special words for 0b0001, 0b0010, 0b0100 and 0b1000.

    The thing that doesn't make much sense to me is why they would have multiplied their binary digits by decimal 10. Instead of special words for 1, 2, 4 and 8 they have special words for 10, 20, 40 and 80, and that doesn't make any sense mathematically. Unless originally they used binary and had special words for 1, 2, 4 and 8, then gradually adopted decimal. The special words for such small numbers wouldn't have been useful, so the meaning switched to indicate 10 times that value. 10, 20, 40 and 80 would be useful quantities to have special words for when it comes to trading, buying and selling, and even talking about a person's age.

    Either way, it sure seems to hint that they used binary math at some point in the past.

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  12. Re:Weak evidence indeed by icebike · · Score: 3, Informative

    The article, however, is remarkably weak in support for the hypothesis that the people of Mangareva (the "tiny Pacific island" mentioned) actually used binary arithmetic, since in fact it doesn't give any evidence at all that they actually used binary arithmetic. What it says is they have number words for three binary powers of ten:paua for 20; tataua for 40; and varu for 80.

    The article wasn't so much weak, as it was in awe of an accident of hindsight. (It only looks "special" because we settled on binary for computers.)
    It explicitly made the point that base 10 was used except to refer to large groups.
    Their "special words" took hold only after they ran out of fingers.

    In fact, if you look at it as counting the number of "bodies worth of fingers and toes" it looks less like using binary and more like "We can't count that high, but there was one fish in the pond for every finger and toe of each person in our boat). After that they just counted boats.

    Its really not much different than westerners counting in dozens, and grosses (something that wiki unconvincingly attributes to the convenience of 12 having many divisors. From the same article you learn there were Latin terms for groups of 15, 20, etc. It seems that special, extra ordinal counting numbers for baskets full of stuff are not that unusual.

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  13. Binary - A Number System With Only Two Digits by TranquilVoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, decades of stories containing obscure acronyms deemed unworthy of explanation, now the editors decide binary needs to be defined for the Slashdot audience.

    1. Re:Binary - A Number System With Only Two Digits by VortexCortex · · Score: 2

      Binary - A Number (counting) System (way of doing) With Only Two (one more than one and one less than one more than one more than one) Digits (stick like things [above your waist] that are on your hands [digital things in your pants]).

  14. Re:Weak evidence indeed by icebike · · Score: 2

    Transistors are just switches, and the simplest switching is between on and off. But later there were developed trinary (aka ternary) switches (off, positive, negative) but by then the binary computer was so entrenched there was no impetuous to change.
      Much of that work was done in Russia. Google "Setun".

    There were some BCD hardware that was (claimed to be) much better at decimal math (even if it was faking it with binary). CDC was big into this in the 70s.

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