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Standardized Laptop Charger Approved By IEC

Sockatume writes "The IEC, the standards body which wrote the phone charger specification used in the EU, has approved a standardised laptop charger. While the 'DC Power Supply for Portable Personal Computer' doesn't have a legal mandate behind it, the IEC is still optimistic that it will lead to a reduction in electronics waste and make it easier to find a replacement charger. Unfortunately the technical documentation does not seem to be available yet, but previous comments indicate that it will be a barrel plug of some kind." I wish they'd push a yank-resistant and positive-connecting plug along the lines of Apple's MagSafe.

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  1. There's probably patents involved by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    On a magnetic yank resistant plug

    1. Re:There's probably patents involved by Zanadou · · Score: 4, Funny

      But, what about on a plug resistant magnetic yank?

    2. Re:There's probably patents involved by noh8rz10 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      can't use something like magsafe because all computer standards push the industry towards the lowest-common-denominator cheap component solution. This is from lobbying of all companies. Thus the "benefit" to consumers is cheap products. no wonder apple stands alone and garners 90%+ of profits in the personal computer space.

      Hint to manufacturers: there's a portion of the market that likes nice things, or at least not bottom-of-the-barrel cheap things.

    3. Re:There's probably patents involved by tysonedwards · · Score: 4, Informative

      There is a single patent on the connector, filed September 26, 2005 and issued December 25, 2007.
      In 2001 UL created and released to market - as a standard enforced by the US Consumer Product Safety Commission - a magnetic reversible plug for use on electric fryers that would disconnect if pulled.

      Apple's offering is technically different in the sense that the cord can also "attach itself" to an electronic device, and where it will not provide power should it not be acted upon by another magnetic field.

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    4. Re:There's probably patents involved by brianwski · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In a another example, my HP Veer Smartphone (it's the Palm Pre line) has a magnetic charging cable that can ALSO carry data and audio!

      Seriously, the HP Veer hardware was nicely designed, but the software is a train wreck. I still can't understand how the iPhone doesn't have a MagSafe recharge option, but my HP Veer does?

    5. Re:There's probably patents involved by brianwski · · Score: 4, Interesting

      HP Veer Smartphone (Palm Pre line) had a MagSafe connector that had data transfer: http://www.all4cellular.com/product/hp-veer-4g-usb-cable.html

      You can still buy this phone and connector. The phone software is TERRIBLE, but the hardware was innovative and well designed.

    6. Re:There's probably patents involved by slim · · Score: 5, Funny

      A Yank resistant plug might do well in Europe and Asia, but I think most manufacturers wouldn't want to alienate the American market.

    7. Re:There's probably patents involved by weilawei · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's the plug resistant magnetic brits that are the real challenge.

    8. Re:There's probably patents involved by jeffmflanagan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yep, my Dell charger has an easily disconnected connector a few inches from the barrel that plugs into the laptop. Yank the cord, and this connector parts, leaving the laptop on the desk when tripping on a cable.

    9. Re:There's probably patents involved by Lightning+McQueen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The OP was referencing Apple as an example. I agree that Apple is a solid example of his argument. I disagree with you in your all encompassing statement that people buy Apple because 'looks cool'. I've not met anyone who spends their hard earned cash this way. Folks I know purchase the products because they work very well and require the least amount of maintenance from the user.

    10. Re:There's probably patents involved by tibit · · Score: 3, Funny

      There's this thing called aesthetics. It's often a matter of personal taste, even. Basically you're saying that when it comes to computing, personal preferences and taste be damned. Now go crawl back under the rock you came out from under.

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  2. patented by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    You can't use MagSafe because it's an Apple innovation. It took a major stroke of genius to put a fryer plug on a laptop.

    1. Re:patented by Hadlock · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And yet the Pogo charger performs the same function with the same magnetic disconnect mode. It's used by a handful of top tier tablets and phones, but clearly someone has found a loophole in Apple's patent for the connector, as it's functionally identical.

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    2. Re:patented by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's interesting actually... I genuinely wondered why you don't get mildly electrocuted when you touch the completely exposed connectors end of it, until I actually saw what they'd patented: What they've patented is that it won't provide power until it's acted on by exactly the right magnetic field to indicate that it's plugged into the laptop already.

      At least for me, that passes all the tests of non-obviousness and first people to think of it.

    3. Re:patented by jeffmflanagan · · Score: 5, Informative

      > genuinely wondered why you don't get mildly electrocuted when you touch the completely exposed connectors end of it

      Why would you expect to get mildly electrocuted by a low-power DC plug? The only danger w/o the magnetic control is that you'd fry the charger by shorting the plug.

  3. So Would Apple by Kagato · · Score: 5, Informative

    "I wish they'd push a yank-resistant and positive-connecting plug along the lines of Apple's MagSafe."

    So would Apple since they have a patent on the MagSafe design. I suspect it would be quite the patent windfall.

    1. Re:So Would Apple by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 3, Funny

      Instead of using magnets (how do they work?), add a tiny vacuum pump to keep the connector in place. Add some attachments so the keyboard can be periodically hoovered for skin flakes, food bits and the dried remains of various body fluids. One small step for power connector security, one giant leap for computer hygiene.

  4. I hope it works by fluffythdestroy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Dell, HP, Alienware and other company will do anything in their power to not comply with this standard. This means less chance to get money out of customers pockets. Most companies, and I point DELL this time, uses a very much different exagonal type of connection which makes universal adapters a pain in the ass to find while others like HP and other old Dell laptops are usually easy to find and replace at a very cheap price. When it's not possible, you have to call the company to get a remplacement charger for a high enough price. But I would love to see a standard in this as it would make my job much easier

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  5. That's great by EthanBernard · · Score: 4, Funny

    Just in time for laptop obsolescence.

  6. Standardised DC, eh? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well, let's see.

    USB can deliver 2.5W. My big old luggable W510 has an adapter rated for (checks) holy crap 135W. To keep things standard we could charge it with 54 parallel USB cables, since things seem to be standardising on USB these days and multiple plugs where necessary.

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  7. Different power requirements by Alain+Williams · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One problem with this is that some laptops take much more juice to run than others. So will the standard charger have to be powerful enough to feed the biggest laptop or will we get a range of, say, 3 -- which would be a good advance on what we have today if the same plug was used, so the most powerful PSU could be used with a light laptop, as long as a light PSU had a cutout to protect it from overload?

    The specifications are protected from download by a password, so I can't check :-(

    I doubt that the likes of Apple would adopt this.

  8. Bad pun warning by Sockatume · · Score: 4, Funny

    They could cut down the number of leads by a factor of six if they used some sort of heavy-duty twisted-pair conductor. Then you'd have a Cat-5 of Nine Tails.

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  9. Re:Safe disconnection! by SuricouRaven · · Score: 3, Informative

    Be warned: The hardware in the Retinas is somewhat dubiously EFI and ACPI complient. You can get it running linux, but it takes a fair amount of hackery to deal with the weirdness.

  10. Re:I was hoping for MagSafe by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If it was so obvious, why haven't anyone thought about it before Apple?

    Two things come to mind: 1) The bottom line. Many companies don't always do the little things because it takes time and money to do things. I'm pretty sure an engineer from another company came up with great ideas but they were cut in planning/development. Apple will spend years on a product before releasing it and they will charge enough to make this strategy work. 2) Featuritis. Many companies focus on too many features. This is related to #1. Following the history of Apple, their products never have the most features. Apple seems to focus only on a handful of them and get them right before adding new ones. Geeks here don't appreciate that as Apple will never win the bullet point count, but for the average consumer they are less impressed with numbers of features than working features.

    Take for example, the original iPod that synced automatically when you plugged in the cable. I think it was at Jobs' insistence that this be a 1-step process. Now doing so isn't technically difficult, but it takes coordination between hardware and software. It also required a philosophical change away from file/directory based transfer to one based on metadata. For example, most people don't care which directory/subdirectory their favorite songs where located but what they were (songs by The Rolling Stones, blue-grass songs, etc.). Now other companies might have been focused on other features like playing every format from Ogg to WMA or an equalizer with 11 bars, etc. Apple concentrated on making the UI simpler for the average consumer.

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  11. Electrocution is death caused by electric shock by dhaen · · Score: 5, Informative

    Electrocution = Electro + execution = dead! There's nothing mild about dead!

  12. Give me an update to IEEE 802.3at-2009 instead by Aqualung812 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Seriously, we can do 25.5W on 802.at-2009 NOW. Some vendors are doing 51W by using all 4 pairs.

    Yes, I know many of you have laptops that draw almost 200 watts, but most of us don't need over 50W most of the time. If properly designed, the laptop can just "tread water" by slowing or stopping battery drain while drawing 51W during a work session, and then recharge while you're eating lunch or surfing Slashdot.

    Imagine hooking your laptop up to power and ethernet at the same time! Single connection, less real estate used up on the exterior.

    Just configure the laptop to draw power over the ethernet port, and not only do you not have to worry about a AC to DC brick, but you can travel the world and not have to worry about all the forms of AC power.

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  13. I'm with you by rsilvergun · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Having stepped on a 3-prong British plug it's damn near impossible to make something resistant to the buggers. Worse than Legos, I swear.

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