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Mark Zuckerberg Gives $990 Million To Charity

mrspoonsi writes with this excerpt from Business Insider: "This morning, Mark Zuckerberg announced plans to give 18 million Facebook shares to charity by the end of the month. Facebook is currently trading at $55 per share, so Zuckerberg's gift is worth just under $1 billion. The money will go toward Zuckerberg's foundation, the Silicon Valley Community Foundation and The Breakthrough Prize In Life Science, a [Nobel] Prize-like award. Zuckereberg is giving his shares away as part of a secondary stock offering from Facebook. Reuters says Zuckerberg will sell 41.4 million shares, reducing his voting power in the company from 58.8% to 56.1%. Other insiders selling include board member Marc Andreessen, who will sell 1.65 million shares. Facebook is selling 27 million."

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  1. so he gave by dale.furno · · Score: 5, Informative

    to his own charity?

    1. Re:so he gave by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So did Bill Gates. And Bill Clinton. Those two at least do some good work.

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    2. Re:so he gave by Dave+Whiteside · · Score: 2

      best way to avoid tax

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    3. Re:so he gave by Pope · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Correct. Gates has one of the biggest tax dodges in history.

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    4. Re:so he gave by alexander_686 · · Score: 2

      Private charities come in two variants.

      The first are a thin veil for a tax dodge. Set up a charity, pay yourself fat fees, transfer wealth capital gains free while retaining voting rights, give cash to the local opera and get sweet exclusive access, make sure the back 40 acres of your house remains undeveloped to protect your view and not pay property taxes. It can be useful for social climbing.

      The second is that you have a concern and you want to remain hands on. I will point to Bill Gates and Carnegie. Both had very specific view on education and how the charities should be managed.

      Both try to sneak in a little good PR. Carnegie has been dead for a long time yet his charities still spread good things about their name. Or Harvard who had one of the better deals in history – donating a few hundred dollars and we still remember his name.

    5. Re:so he gave by alexander_686 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Horrible way to avoid paying taxes.

      If MZ sold his stock he would keep 72%. Assuming his cost basis was $0 and a tax rate of 28%

      By giving his stock away he keeps 0%. I mean, yes, you do stick it to the man by not paying taxes but you would have the same effect if you burned large piles of money.

      MZ probably has other motives for giving his money away then avoiding paying taxes.

    6. Re:so he gave by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 2

      How is giving stock avoiding taxes? Giving away a billion dollars in stock is far more wealth than if he sold the stock and paid the taxes on it. I hate to break this to people but the super rich are not nearly as worried about taxes as you think they are.

      Giving stock is avoiding taxes because you avoid the capital gains, and the loss/transfer can be counted against REAL wealth.

      You see, stock is actually pretty much worthless when it comes to conversion to every day uses. Its value has no stability, and you can rarely use it to directly purchase things you actually need/want. At the end of the day, stock is just the ability to have a certain percentage of say in how a corporation is run. People speculate on these voting shares, with some people willing to purchase this voting capital in a company not because they're interested in the direction of the company, but because they anticipate someone else might be willing to buy it off of them for a higher price. The last price people are willing to pay to trade these shares is what we usually refer to as "stock value".

      If you give all these shares to another entity, you get tax benefits as if all of the shares are worth that value. HOWEVER, if you sold those same shares on the open market, you'd not get that value for every share. As you dumped the shares, the first few would go for around the current valuation, but the more you dump on to the open market, the less demand there is for new shares, and the overall stock value drops. This is how pump and dump stock scams work: you take a stock with a low value, get people speculating on it, pump up the value, and then dump your cheap stock at the high value until it deflates back to the original purchase price. Rinse, repeat.

      As a result, you get someone like Zuckerberg transferring almost $1billion of his stock to his charity, sheltering it from taxation while at the same time giving him a HUGE tax break similar to if he had donated his personal wealth to the charity -- and that stock would be worth nowhere near that much if he had instead sold it on the open market and donated the money to the same charity.

      This is one of the reasons that the super rich aren't worried about taxes -- they have enough of these sorts of tax dodges to work with that they have no need to worry.

    7. Re:so he gave by Sarten-X · · Score: 5, Informative

      I used to work in finance, managing accounts for those "tax dodge" charities. It's pretty clear you don't actually know how they work.

      You're right on the surface, of course... as long as you control your own foundation, you have control over those voting rights and the development of that lot. The devil's in the details, though. You don't have control as you, but as an agent of the foundation. That means that the donated assets are not a part of your own estate, and you personally don't own them any more. You can't transfer money back to yourself (as those "fat fees" run afoul of the charity's tax-free status), you can't build a vineyard on those 40 acres, and you can't pass on the charity to your heirs.

      Those foundations are their own entities, and they must be managed separately. It's actually pretty hard to use them for your own financial gain. You can, however, use them to improve your standing in the community, but you don't really need money for that.

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    8. Re:so he gave by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 2

      Those two at least do some good work.

      If you're into crushing competition through litigation and signing trade agreements that screw up your entire economy, sure.

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  2. oh boy... by globaljustin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    TFA Headline was misleading...saying it like this:

    "X gives [huge sum of money] to charity."

    X being an often criticized figure and "charity" being the incongruent thing that supposedly makes the headline interesting.

    But it buries the lead...the story isn't some tech/dork/genius/villain giving a huge sum of money away to needy people...it's about him transferring it to his own charity.

    Huge difference.

    Jerry Sandusky used the Second Mile Charity to find victims. Clinton uses his charity to maintain his personal/family brand and...I admit...do good things. Bill Gates, I think somewhere in his brain he wants to be altruistic for some philosophical reason, but his charity really just pumps M$ products and tries to make teachers be paid by performance.

    IMHO, Gates and Zuck are bad models for tech chartiy. I would rather him take that money and pay off every home mortgage in the poor communities in his area....Oakland. The also need to stop all attempts to use his charity to get student data via "donating" some student info system and calling it some innovative name.

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    1. Re:oh boy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      IMHO, Gates and Zuck are bad models for tech chartiy. I would rather him take that money and pay off every home mortgage in the poor communities in his area....Oakland. The also need to stop all attempts to use his charity to get student data via "donating" some student info system and calling it some innovative name.

      I would rather have a more egalitarian world, where money does not accumulate obscenely like that.

    2. Re:oh boy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As I remember it Gates didn't give a damn about charities until the Microsoft anti-trust trial was underway. It was a PR move.

      I could be wrong though, feel free to jump in if you have citations otherwise.

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    3. Re:oh boy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      He's giving the stock, not money. When he monetizes the stock is when he'd get killed in taxes. The Foundation can then sell the stock for cash tax-free but is under a lot of regulation as to what can be done with the money. Taxes in America make this the only reasonable way for the wealthy to "give." You can't do things like pay off other people's mortgages without a massive tax burden both ways. (Having your mortgage paid off by someone else is income.) Blame the IRS for these goofy constructs, not those giving millions and billions.

    4. Re:oh boy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Gates gained a soul when he got married. Finally getting laid mellows you out.

    5. Re:oh boy... by pepty · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Gates is an awesome model for billionaire charity: Warren Buffet likes it so much he is going to donate 85% of his wealth to it. Most of the money goes to biomedical (TB, AIDS, sanitation, fresh water, vaccines, orphan diseases) issues that can't really improve the market for M$ other than through brand management ... and healthier customers.

    6. Re:oh boy... by dkleinsc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Bill Gates, I think somewhere in his brain he wants to be altruistic for some philosophical reason, but his charity really just pumps M$ products and tries to make teachers be paid by performance.

      His charity also does a ton of good stuff in areas like public health and sanitation. He's not a saint, he may be doing it primarily as a PR move, but that's definitely doing more good for the world than having it just sitting in some trust fund for his 3 kids or something. And yes, he could have also given it to a bunch of organizations rather than creating a foundation of his own, but my impression from those who have done work in the area where his foundation operates is that they have a fairly good reputation as far as non-profits go.

      I don't like Bill Gates' business tactics. I do like what he's chosen to do with a lot of his time and money.

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    7. Re:oh boy... by smooth+wombat · · Score: 2

      and tries to make teachers be paid by performance.

      So you're saying there shouldn't be any standards for whether a teacher does their job? They should just be able to show up and get paid? Where do I sign up?

      Also, while Bill does push his Microsoft bent, his charity does provide tons of money for vaccinations and education in poor countries.

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    8. Re:oh boy... by Sir_Sri · · Score: 2

      Bill Gates, I think somewhere in his brain he wants to be altruistic for some philosophical reason, but his charity really just pumps M$ products and tries to make teachers be paid by performance.

      And you know, curing polio, fighting AIDS, TB and malaria, etc.

      Lets not leave out the the stuff that saves hundreds of thousands of lives a year.

    9. Re:oh boy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Citations in response to a non-cited and subjective post?

      PR people are a lot cheaper than billion dollar foundations. And PR for what? A retired guy? Who cares? If this was a PR move why keep it going?

      In the end he is giving. There isn't a timetable for this and he isn't required to do it at all.

    10. Re:oh boy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The thing is with teachers, especially in under-achieving schools, the community and students don't show up.

      My wife taught in Detroit for a while. Half her class missed half their classroom time over the course of a school year. Is it her fault that all those kids have low test scores (if they even show up on testing day)? It's the same at many of the under-achieving schools around the US. The kids and parents don't show up.

      Perhaps if you tried looking into the problem rather than rattling off overly generalized bullet points that align with what you've heard on the blue glow box in the corner of the couch room you'd have a clue.

    11. Re:oh boy... by king+neckbeard · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's also worth considering how he got the money in the first place. You have to weigh the harm of his prior actions against the benefits of his current actions.

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    12. Re:oh boy... by Sarten-X · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's actually far more insightful than I think you intended.

      Having a spouse means you're forced to consider another perspective, which in turn makes it easier to understand and empathize with others you're not related to. Life isn't just about pursuing your own goals any more, but suddenly there's a concern for helping everyone. Perhaps not all the way to meeting their goals, but at least living long and well enough to have a chance.

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    13. Re:oh boy... by Jason+Levine · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, but the current model for "evaluating teacher performance" is giving kids a lot of standardized tests (designed by Pearson and other big companies and not evaluated by any third party). Teachers whose students do poorly on the tests are claimed to have done a bad job - regardless if said students are English Second Language students or have special needs that might interfere with test taking. Furthermore, since teachers' jobs are tied to the results of these tests, they wind up teaching to the test. Any time spent covering items that won't appear on the test is time spent risking your job.

      Of course, the whole testing system is designed to punish public school teachers and push business-owned, for-profit, publicly financed charter schools (which all too often don't require a background in education to teach), but that's a different rant.

      (I have two kids in elementary school dealing with the whole Common Core/EngageNY/high stakes testing nonsense so I know first-hand what this is doing to our kids and teachers.)

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    14. Re:oh boy... by s.petry · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Really? Gates demanding that people and governments sign long term contracts with US Agriculture and Medical corporations and not produce or grow locally as a condition of receiving his "Free" medicine is a benefit to society? Who's society are you referring to, the starving people in Ethiopia that can't grow local food any more because they received "Free vaccines"?

      Good grief man, use your head just a little. If Mr. Gates was really just "helping everyone with his money" why has his wealth continued to grow while the people he is supposedly helping go further down in poverty? Some of the vaccines being pushed overseas are illegal in numerous Western Countries after being proven harmful to recipients.

      Your view of an "awesome model" seems to be very low and abstract.

      More on topic, look for Facebook to report some major loss in value causing the stocks to drop. Zuckerberg is not the only one donating lots of stock. These people are not idiots, and didn't get to be as wealthy as they are because they are altruistic.

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    15. Re: oh boy... by um...+Lucas · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's not like he did a sham transfer to a strawman. He transferred them to his foundation, irrevocably. Just because the foundation has his name doesn't mean he gets anything from it. Aside from getting to vote the shares the way he and the rest of the board agree, the shares are gone to him - any appreciation, all dividends, they all are for the bill and Melinda gates foundations benefit, and that organization publicly discloses their tax return so you can verify that.

      Creating and funding that foundation did nothing with regards to microsofts antitrust case, except make bill a lot less rich (but still in the top 3)

    16. Re:oh boy... by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 2

      You DO realize money is just a convenient form of energy, right?

    17. Re:oh boy... by Derec01 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      His wealth has continued to grow irrespective of any of that, I'm sure, due to a massive spread of investments.

      However, I can't find any reference to these contracts stipulating restrictions on food growth or the alleged unsafe vaccines. Do you have a source for either of those? I'd like to follow that up.

      In any place receiving these vaccines, wouldn't it be a headache to enforce that kind of contract anyway given the state of the local judicial system?

    18. Re:oh boy... by Radtastic · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Citation definitely needed here.

      This document https://docs.gatesfoundation.org/Documents/agricultural-development-strategy-overview.pdf from the gates foundation would lead one to believe that they are promoting local farmers, not suppressing them.

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    19. Re:oh boy... by blackbeak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And you get to fly in your Foundation's aircraft, be chauffeured about in your Foundation's limo, you get to direct funds to friends' pet projects, to hire relatives with cushy salaries, to avoid taxes on almost a billion dollars that will remain largely under your influence, to expense fine dining and gifts, you get to insert meddlesome NGO's into foreign lands (furthering your ties with clandestine government agencies), you get to influence politicians and voters, you get to serve on "advisory committees" and write legislation, you get to implement sweeping changes like "Common Core Curriculum" that will effect almost everybody (without their input) .... I'm sure I didn't list all the perks!

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    20. Re:oh boy... by mythosaz · · Score: 2

      It is silly to rate the performance of teachers by the performance of their students.
      It is equally silly to suggest that teachers shouldn't be rated by their job performance.

    21. Re:oh boy... by Smauler · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Having a spouse means you're forced to consider another perspective, which in turn makes it easier to understand and empathize with others you're not related to.

      Alternatively, having a spouse and family makes it much harder to understand and empathise with those outside of that family. "Old money" refers to this - people preferentially give money to those they are related to, to the detriment of others. Massive family fortunes have been accumulated and held on to this way, and have been influential despite those currently being in control being incompetent.

      People who don't have spouses and family are _more_ forced to consider other perspectives, because they actually decide what will happen to their money when they die, rather than just passing it on.

    22. Re:oh boy... by Sabriel · · Score: 2

      An AC posted this elsewhere in this thread: http://www.latimes.com/news/la-na-gatesx07jan07,0,290910,full.story

      Doesn't mention contract lock-ins; does describe how the foundation invests in the very companies which are the source of the problems its charitable works are meant to reduce.

      I'm reminded of the old medieval practice of buying forgiveness for your sins.

    23. Re:oh boy... by s.petry · · Score: 2

      Wait a minute AC. I realize that Google searches can be difficult, but this did not require any playing with keywords to find. Tell me how much money he is giving away when his wealth has continued to increase by "BILLIONS" of dollars annually!

      From Forbes we have Bill Gates' net worth rose $6 billion from last March due to gains in his investment portfolio; his holdings include tech hygiene firm Ecolab, waste collector Republic Services and Mexican Coke bottler FEMSA. In February the first 12 non-Americans joined Bill Gates’ and Warren Buffett’s Giving Pledge, in which the ultra-wealthy pledge to give away at least half their net worth to charity.

      If Bill gave away 1/2 his wealth, should he not have today only 33.5billion dollars instead of 67billion? Was it only 1/2 his wealth of.. income on some stock investment? 1/2 of his wealth only in Mexico? There are obviously numerous conditions and stipulations on his definition of both "wealth" and "giving away" which are not disclosed meaning there is no sincere altruistic motives.

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    24. Re:oh boy... by mcgrew · · Score: 3, Informative

      From what I read, his father (an IBM lawyer!) shamed him into it.

  3. Charity by BringsApples · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hell, say what you will about Shumckaberg, but it looks like this was a good move. The Silicon Valley Community Foundation does good work as far as I can tell. It's not like he's investing back into technology or anything else that will do him any direct good - again, as far as I can tell.

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  4. Not a charity by femtobyte · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Check the "Silicon Valley Community Foundation" web page, and you'll see it's not a charity --- it's a big-money investment firm that manages accounts for other big-money charities. This is part of the move to make "charity" a highly profitable enterprise for big business; ways to shuffle around tax-sheltered billions invested in scummy megacorporations.

    1. Re:Not a charity by femtobyte · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The insertion of middlemen (carrying out the will of billionaires) is common, but that doesn't make it good or charitable to be a self-serving corporatist middleman, wielding dollars for the glorification and enrichment of billionaires. I'm sure there's at least one person getting "fed" at the end of this process: Zuckerberg. Probably several cronies and nephews of cronies handed out six-figure-salary part-time jobs high in the organization, too. Giving money to yourself to further your own interests: not charity, even if you insinuate yourself as a middleman for other nominally charitable institutions (using their funds to further the interests of your own stock portfolio). Making the world a safer, friendlier place for the Zuckerbergs to control every aspect of society is not a net win for humanity.

  5. Left pocket to right pocket by grumpyman · · Score: 2

    Similar to other $B folks it goes to their own foundation so they can still control that money to drive whatever cause they wish. In this case it sounds like they just print more share for it..? Or FB as a whole provide that share... i.e. all FB shareholders chip it for Mr. Zuckerberg to play?

  6. Re:OK Bill, Your Move by Pseudonym+Authority · · Score: 4, Funny

    Usually the complain is that they give away MS software licenses. The conspiracy there being that they'll be hooked and once they move beyond soul crushing poverty they'll pay for the software. And that's disgusting when he should be giving out free IBM and RedHat contracts so that those vendors will be contractors when the children stop having to eat dirt to keep the hunger pangs away. The other big complaint I've seen is that they've invested in a refinery or something. As we all know, oil companies are evil and the last thing Africa needs is more local industry.

    Basically, the problem is that he's Bill Gates, and that's a bad thing. Every dollar M$ made is tainted blood money. They made Dell pay a site license for Windows installation! Have you forgotten the burned villages of the Browser Wars? Remember that time they sent anthrax to that Linux User's Group? We are all victims. No amount of malaria vaccinations and AIDS research and all that other shit could ever atone for such depraved crimes.

  7. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation by globaljustin · · Score: 2

    His charity also does a ton of good stuff in areas like public health and sanitation.

    and other commenters have pointed out similar things...

    first, i'll grant you that my comment did not mention some of the work they do for the neediest globally, it is an oversight that should matter in evaluating "tech billionaires" and how effective/self-serving their charity work proves to be.

    I'm mostly frustrated that so much of what made M$ so bad is going into **how** they do the work in the developing world, on a macro scale, but this is off topic.

    second, to my main criticism of "tech billionaires" and how they do charity is how self-serving and low-return *most* of it is.

    I imagine the parts of the Gates Foundation that are the most effective correlate very closely with the parts where Gates & minions have the *least* input into decision making.

    Delivering water to communities in Africa is more a problem you throw money at to the right people, because there are obviously already people trying to accomplish the task, the best option just doesn't have the resources.

    That's still **good** but we can do much, much better. That's my point.

    Why not start right in the Bay Area? Why not just start paying off family mortgages and boosting school budgets?

    990 Million Dollars of that...seriously...i'm not an isolationist but have you ever heard of how in a commercial airliner emergency, the mother should put *her own air mask* on first b/c she needs to be coherent to help the baby?

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  8. Re:That wasn't his pocket change by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

    I'm too busy using 5% of my net worth to pay for things like food, clothing, my mortgage, gas, insurance, etc. Along with the other 95% of my net worth.

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  9. Better here than political by tomhath · · Score: 3, Interesting
    There have been plenty of very wealthy individuals who create foundations Rockefeller, Ford, now Gates and Zuckerberg. They can do a lot of good, arguably more than Ted Turner donating $1B to the UN.

    I sure prefer to see it spent this way then surreptitiously funding political activity through tax exempt organizations like George Soros.

  10. Re:No, he didnt by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 2

    Mostly in the tax treatment of the donation. Donating the $990 million in shares avoids having to sell the shares and getting the cap gains tax, then donating the remaining money.

    The charity sells the shares instead and gets the full value instead of the reduced value, and Zuck gets to deduct the market value of the stocks instead of the value reduced by the cap gains tax.

    Really it's a win for the charity to get the shares rather than the cash. For Zuck the end result is pretty much the same.

    Average working stiffs can do pretty much the same thing by setting up a Donor Advised Fund and donating shares to them. This has the added benefit of bunching the funds into one year for tax purposes. You can then distribute the money to charities over time.

  11. ...what? by Wootery · · Score: 2

    This sounds vaguely like a 'capitalist economics is an inescapable force of nature' argument, but conveyed needlessly cryptically.

    What exactly are you trying to say?

    1. Re:...what? by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Did you know that if you took all the economists in the world and laid them out, end-to-end, they still wouldn't reach a conclusion?

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