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Billion Star Surveyor 'Gaia' Lifts Off

mrspoonsi writes "BBC Reports: 'Europe has launched the Gaia satellite — one of the most ambitious space missions in history. The 740m-euro (£620m) observatory lifted off from the Sinnamary complex in French Guiana at 06:12 local time (09:12 GMT). Gaia is going to map the precise positions and distances to more than a billion stars. This should give us the first realistic picture of how our Milky Way galaxy is constructed. Gaia's remarkable sensitivity will lead also to the detection of many thousands of previously unseen objects, including new planets and asteroids. Gaia will use this ultra-stable and supersensitive optical equipment to pinpoint its sample of stars with extraordinary confidence. By repeatedly viewing its targets over five years, it should get to know the brightest stars' coordinates down to an error of just seven micro-arcseconds. "This angle is equivalent to the size of a euro coin on the Moon as seen from Earth," explained Prof Alvaro Gimenez, Esa's director of science.'"

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  1. Total map size by mrspoonsi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The article states it will map 1% of our Milky Way, and there are 170 billion Galaxies in the universe, so that is: 0.0000000000005% mapping of the known universe (if my figures are correct).

    1. Re:Total map size by StoneCrusher · · Score: 2
      Don't forget that every time we try to count them, there turns out to be more than expected.

      While this telescope is focused on high accuracy of closer stars, so it may not be finding any more galaxies, I wouldn't be surprised if it finds even more stars in the Milky Way than we previously estimated. This seems to happen every time we take a closer look.

      From the article

      it is likely also to see a colossal number of objects that have hitherto gone unrecorded - such as comets, asteroids, planets beyond our Solar System, cold dead stars, and even tepid stars that never quite fired into life.

      It seems even the definition of star isn't always clear.

    2. Re:Total map size by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 3, Insightful
      What you say is very true...

      Anyone who doubts this should go to YouTube and search for "Hubble Ultra Deep Field".

      Amazing video...

    3. Re:Total map size by wjcofkc · · Score: 4, Informative

      While it is true that we don't know for sure how many galaxies there are in the Universe, 170 billion is likely low balling it a bit too much. The most widely accepted estimate stands at 500 billion - but still, this is murky water. A good article on how that number was arrived at can be found here:

      500 Billion --A Universe of Galaxies: Some Older than Milky Way

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    4. Re:Total map size by j-b0y · · Score: 2

      Very little that Gaia observes is truly discarded -- just the main astrometric system needs a mix of stable, well behaved stars and very distant quasars, that could be between 10% and 50% of the objects detected. There will be an attempt to classify objects -- which you need to do in order to grab the quasars for the astrometric system

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  2. The size of a euro coin? by yo303 · · Score: 2, Funny

    What is that in Metric? Wait, I mean American?

    1. Re:The size of a euro coin? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      What is that in Metric? Wait, I mean American?

      Well, the diameter of a Euro is about 23.25 mm, giving it a surface area of about 425 mm squared. Given the ugly assumption that all 151,785,778 items in the library of congress are A4 sized (total SA ~ 9,466,878,973,860 mm squared), a Euro coin is about 4.5x10-11 of a Library of Congress.

      I should probably do some work.

    2. Re:The size of a euro coin? by idji · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is a EUROPEAN satellite, and so a EURO is very appropriate.
      Yes, the Europeans are going back to fundamental mapping of what is out there, like James Cook, Galileo, Johannes Kepler.

      Onwards to L2 Gaia!!!

    3. Re:The size of a euro coin? by Teun · · Score: 4, Funny

      US$ 1.3639

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    4. Re:The size of a euro coin? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wow, what a sweeping generalization. Most people around here (NW-Europe) appreciate americans. It seems to me the ones spewing ideological rants about the US, are those who never worked with/visited/befriended americans. We do, however, scratch our heads at your fervent opposition to social security, as this could really boost the productivity and prosperity of your middle class. That middle class which could probably generate more demand than your beloved 1%.

    5. Re:The size of a euro coin? by yo303 · · Score: 2

      This being a European project you should be coloured impressed.

  3. Re:Hope Nasa can help us on that by EdgePenguin · · Score: 2

    Given how long it will take to chew through Gaia data (Essentially, as someone starting out in astrophysics, this mission could define much of my working life) there won't be another powerful astrometry mission for a while.

    Why are you fixated on having NASA try to one-up ESA though? NASA has its own top end science missions planned, doing other things. If you are lucky and take care of your space agency, so of them might actually fly in space.

  4. Re:The uncertainty is 775 miles at Alpha Centauri by AmbiLobe · · Score: 2

    The angle of 7 u arc sec is 3.3 x10 ^-11 radians . The distance is 4 light years x 5.87 x 10 ^12 miles per LY . Product is 775 miles resolution of the position of a star 4 Light years away. Astounding accuracy !! congrats !

  5. Excellent! by Hartree · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is a mission I've been watching and waiting for for a while. The original Hipparcos mission did this sort of mapping for a much smaller volume of space.

    Think of this as being like how finding the precise latitude and longitude of a large number of places on earth would have been to navigators of a much earlier era. No big new ideas, but it makes navigating so much easier and precise.

    This does this for astronomy and cosmology in a greatly expanded region of space.

    Something some don't realize is that our measurements of distance to stars and other objects in astronomy are very indirect. We use red shift to measure it in many cases, but that's an indirect method that relies on assumptions and estimates of the Hubble constant.

    We also use what are called "standard candles". These are objects we know the brightness of from the physics of the processes going on. Certain kinds of supernovae are some of the best known. But, again, like measuring the distance to the next town by how bright the streetlights are, it's indirect and can have errors from intervening dust, for example..

    This will use parallax, the same method as used in surveying to find distance from the change in angle between two separated observations of a far object. It's a direct method that relies on few assumptions.

  6. Re:Hope Nasa can help us on that by TangoMargarine · · Score: 2

    You're talking about not wasting money but then in the next breath that the U.S. has to "win at space"? Last I checked, we weren't in a cold war with Europe or anything. Just call this a win. We don't need to one-up them. I know it's a radical concept, but maybe we could all SHARE information about space.

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