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Whatever Happened To Sanford "Spamford" Wallace?

Tackhead writes "People of a certain age — the age before email filters were effective, may remember a few mid-90s buzzwords like 'bulletproof hosting' and 'double opt-in.' People may remember that Hormel itself conceded that although 'SPAM' referred to their potted meat product, the term 'spam' could refer to unsolicited commercial email. People may also remember AGIS, Cyberpromo, Sanford 'Spam King' Wallace, and Walt Rines. Ten years after a 2003 retrospective on Rines and Wallace, Ars Technica reminds us that the more things change, the more they stay the same."

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  1. Why isn't he in jail? by Somebody+Is+Using+My · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He's in debt to the courts for millions, fails to show up for his court appearances and has repeatedly returned to a life of crime. It's not even as if his lawyer is getting him off. He's a continual recidivist and shows no intention of reforming his ways. Even if the cases themselves were merely civil disputes, his failure to live up his court-ordered responsibilities should have consequences.

    Why isn't this jackass in jail yet? He's far more deserving than some poor punk who had the bad luck to get caught with a baggie of pot in his pocket.

    1. Re:Why isn't he in jail? by Tom · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because our justice system has turned from protecting the public good and society in general towards protecting individual property and particular interest laws.

      That's why you can spam millions of people for years (do the math, even at half a second per mail, that's quite a few wasted lifetimes) and get a slap on the wrist ($4 mio? if he weren't a fool that would've been pocket change for an Internet criminal - see Kimble).

      But copy a few MP3s and you're down for your life savings. Have a bit of pot on you and off to jail.

      It's an entirely different tragedy of the commons - the justice system utterly fails to protect the public at large from deaths by a million cuts, i.e. by small offenses that multiply into the thousands and millions.

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    2. Re:Why isn't he in jail? by JeffOwl · · Score: 2

      I think the real issue is that he ignored court orders to stop spamming. They are prosecuting for criminal contempt.

    3. Re:Why isn't he in jail? by girlintraining · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why isn't this jackass in jail yet? He's far more deserving than some poor punk who had the bad luck to get caught with a baggie of pot in his pocket.

      You seem to be misunderstanding: A failed businessman is much less of a problem than a failed worker. Smoking pot = less productivity. That's why we throw him in jail for years at a go, whereas the failed businessman at least was making an attempt to improve the glory of our lord and savior, the Dollar. I only wish this statement was entirely sarcastic, instead of merely mostly. :(

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    4. Re:Why isn't he in jail? by Arker · · Score: 2

      "Because our justice system has turned from protecting the public good and society in general towards protecting individual property and particular interest laws."

      While I agree with the rest of what you said that is just plain wrong. Protecting private property is the mission here, it's a crucial part of protecting the public good. And that is exactly where the system has failed. Spam is theft by conversion, and adequately dealt with under common law, but instead of leaving well enough alone, the legislatures got involved and give us new laws that FAIL to protect our private property from the likes of Spamford.

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    5. Re:Why isn't he in jail? by mysidia · · Score: 2

      He's in debt to the courts for millions, fails to show up for his court appearances and has repeatedly returned to a life of crime.

      Because he posted bail on the criminal contempt charge.

    6. Re:Why isn't he in jail? by Tom · · Score: 2

      We mean the same thing.

      Of course e-mail spam deprives me of use of my private property. But the damage is too small for an individual case to matter. The real damage is on the whole-society level, when you add up the millions of seconds.

      It's the commons - the part of society that we all share. Like our communications ability or public spaces.

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    7. Re:Why isn't he in jail? by Tom · · Score: 2

      Again, that is not a legal statement. Of course you can sue someone for a cent. But almost nobody bothers to actually do that. Which is why something like a government was invented so things that are too small or too big for individuals to worry about can be handled collectively.

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    8. Re:Why isn't he in jail? by nuonguy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Who is the slow learner here, him or the legal system that failed at prosecuting him? He recognised a (criminal) opportunity before everyone else and has the wits to stay out of jail. Crime doesn't pay unless you do it well.

  2. double opt-in by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Funny

    I saw a movie with that title once, but (to my surprise) it wasn't about Email...

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  3. Re:ytcracker by Arker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Until people suddenly wisen up and stop falling for scams and stop being receptive to advertising in general, there will continue to be spam."

    Insightful comment. The spammers, revolting subhumans though they are, are simply a symptom of the real problem. And the big "legitimate" marketing companies are signs of the same problem. A sane person would go out of their way to avoid purchasing anything that they saw advertised, and if a significant percentage of the population were sane advertising and marketing would be dead, and all the people currently stuck in those soul-leeching jobs could become productive members of the economy instead.

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  4. typical... by Virtucon · · Score: 2

    Lawyers going after money rather than the culprit. Some guy spends one minute in a coordinated DDoS attack and he gets jail time. This guy runs around free because the Lawyers thought that hitting his pocket book would matter but what they didn't realize is this guy has no concept of saving any money, he spends it and pisses it away on gambling so when they come to collect, his pockets are empty. In the meantime he cranks up the old routines to get more money to spend.

    I do have to say one thing, it's great to see a guy make the Feds go in loops. We all believe that the Criminal Justice system is this fair system that only punishes the truly guilty. Yeah we want to believe it but if you're on the wrong side of that system without representation and money you're just gear lube for the the machine. This guy without a lawyer has the Feds running around trying to get money that doesn't exist, all the while playing the dumb fool. In the end he's nobody's fool.

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    1. Re:typical... by Herkum01 · · Score: 2

      I am surprised that the IRS has not gone after him for tax evasion. Being stupid for not paying taxes will still get you sent to jail really quick.

  5. Re:Context, Context, Context... by benjfowler · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Americas problem isn't even its sky-high incarceration rate.

    It's problems lie is its viciously individualistic culture that entertains no notion of collection action or responsibility; tolerance of regulatory capture; and tolerance of conflicts of interest. This is all enabled by popular myths that pervade American culture, that anybody can get rich if they work hard enough, and that all poor people, by extension, are cunts.

    Deal with the conflict-of-interest issue, and then things like the commercial, for-profit school-to-jail pipeline will eventually take care of themselves.

  6. Email filters are NOT effective by damn_registrars · · Score: 2

    The statement of "before email filters were effective" is delirious at best. Filters will never, in the long term, be an effective anti-spam tool. All that filters do is drive spammers to change their syntax to make spam look less spammy so that they can get past filters. This creates a digital arms race then as people who use filters have to keep re-training their filters in reaction. This wastes, time, energy, and money.

    Even worse, as time goes on the signal-to-noise ratio only gets worse as spammers get more creative and do a better job of sending spam that resembles wanted commercial email.

    If you want to actually do something about the spam epidemic, don't fool yourself into thinking that your filters will do it. Spam is an economic problem, it needs economic solutions. Filters do not accomplish this.

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    1. Re:Email filters are NOT effective by marka63 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you thing SPF as made a difference to the amount of spam being sent I have a bridge to sell you.

      SPF was never about preventing spam. It has only ever been about preventing your email address being used as the from address in spam. It reduces the amount of blowback to your account and nothing else. The only reason SPF appears to be a effective anti-spam tool is that there is that the number of sites filtering using SPF hasn't risen to the level where the spammers need to stop using SPF protected address as the from addresses.

      Another thing SPF does is cause spammers to use hijacked credentials to send spam through legitimate sources.

      This shouldn't be seen as a reason to stop using SPF records. But if you think SPF will stop spam you are deluding yourself.

  7. Re:ytcracker by Lord+Apathy · · Score: 2

    Insightful comment. The spammers, revolting subhumans though they are, are simply a symptom of the real problem. And the big "legitimate" marketing companies are signs of the same problem. A sane person would go out of their way to avoid purchasing anything that they saw advertised, and if a significant percentage of the population were sane advertising and marketing would be dead, and all the people currently stuck in those soul-leeching jobs could become productive members of the economy instead.

    This article really brings back memories. I remember this douche from so many years back. He is one of the few internet "celebrities" that I can remember from 10 and 15 years ago.

    I said this years ago, and I still believe its true now, you will never kill off the spamers as long as the market is there. No matter what laws you pass, or how much you fine them there will always be some willing to take the risk. There is just to much money there, it's like drug dealers. As long as there is money to be made there will always be someone willing to take the risk.

    You want to kill this beast you have to kill the market and just like any market there is the supply and there is the demand. The demand side is the innocent people that click on the links that keep the spammers in business. The war against spam seems to always be about eliminating that side of the market. Well people are stupid and we have all clicked on some link that we didn't realize was a spam link. So that side of the argument is a hopeless fight.

    Going after the spammers themselves is equally useless for reasons already stated.

    So that leaves one side of the market, the supply. People think the spammers are the supply but they are not. They are just the middlemen. You want to put a real dent in the spam problem, you go after the real supplier. Where that link leads, that is who you go after. The person that is paying the spammer to spam.

    The people that supply the products that is who you go after. The spammers themselves they have throw away accounts and a never ending revolving door of ipaddress they can use. Things get to hot the states, they just move it overseas. But the people that pay the spammer they have real address, with physical locations. There is your target, that is who you need to go after.

    An I've heard the argument that some of these companies are innocent and may not be aware that they are spamming. Well I say that doesn't exempt them. If you are advertising through a company then you should be aware of how that company does its advertising. Ignorance is not an excuse.

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