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The UK's Internet Porn Filter and Fighting Censorship Creep

An anonymous reader writes "The Guardian takes the UK government's internet porn filter to task by pointing out how absurd the opt-out process is: 'Picture the scene. You're pottering about on the internet, perhaps idly looking up cake recipes, or videos of puppies learning to howl. Then the phone rings. It's your internet service provider. Actually, it's a nice lady in a telesales warehouse somewhere, employed on behalf of your service provider; let's call her Linda. Linda is calling because, thanks to David Cameron's "porn filter", you now have an "unavoidable choice", as one of 20 million British households with a broadband connection, over whether to opt in to view certain content. Linda wants to know – do you want to be able to see hardcore pornography? How about information on illegal drugs? Or gay sex, or abortion? Your call may be recorded for training and monitoring purposes. How about obscene and tasteless material? Would you like to see that? Speak up, Linda can't hear you.' The article also points out how the filter is being used as a tool for private industry to protect their profits. 'The category of "obscene content", for instance, which is blocked even on the lowest setting of BT's opt-in filtering system, covers "sites with information about illegal manipulation of electronic devices [and] distribution of software" – in other words, filesharing and music downloads, debate over which has been going on in parliament for years.'"

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  1. This is why I like being old by boristdog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As a 50 year-old man nearing retirement, I can emphatically say "Hell yes!" to all of those questions.

    And I'll let Linda know that I'll be wankin' it to much of that aforementioned content. While smoking weed.

    1. Re:This is why I like being old by i+kan+reed · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah, me too. I have a relationship that would stand up to a "porn's okay" conversation.

    2. Re:This is why I like being old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Say that things are commonly misfiltered and that Google already filters for that so it's rather unlikely to show up, and if it does you'll report it to the authorities.

    3. Re:This is why I like being old by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As a 50 year-old man nearing retirement, I can emphatically say "Hell yes!" to all of those questions.

      And I'll let Linda know that I'll be wankin' it to much of that aforementioned content. While smoking weed.

      Making poor Linda suffer for the fact that this unfortunate job has been foisted upon her would not achieve anything. Statistically Linda is highly likely to be a single mom or one half of a low income family and I can't blame her for not being reluctant to take a stand over this and risk losing her job over it. David Cameron, the conservative party and UKIP (out of fear of whom the Tories are doing this and who really deserve your scorn) can, however, shove their entire censorship program where the sun does not shine along with all of the hypocritical spin about how censorship measures that are only rivalled by those used by communist China and Saudi Arabia are being introduced in a democratic country in the name of protecting 'freedom' and 'moral values'.

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    4. Re:This is why I like being old by carlos92 · · Score: 3, Informative

      ISP agent: The blocked content includes child pornography, madam.
      Linda: Thanks for reminding me that, I will make sure I block CP on my end. I just don't want you or the Government to block pictures of my grandchildren in the swimming pool or something like that.

      This reminds me of a project where my team worked from the client's office, and we had to ask the client to let view porn, because their f***ing content filter thought Java source files were porn because they had some comments marked with XXX (standard Java notation to indicate areas that are kluged up or need to be).

    5. Re:This is why I like being old by noh8rz10 · · Score: 3, Funny

      how the heck are you a 50 year old man nearing retirement? In US you'd be halfway through your working life.

    6. Re:This is why I like being old by BasilBrush · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'm sorry, but I have no sympathy for people who take jobs that largely consist of annoying people. And that includes all cold-calling. We should do nothing to make their job easier and everything to make their job harder.

    7. Re:This is why I like being old by lgw · · Score: 5, Funny

      You have a sexy voice Linda. What are you wearing? Obscene content you say? Describe it to me in detail, so that I can make an informed decision.

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    8. Re:This is why I like being old by ILongForDarkness · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Speaking of "porns okay" wouldn't it be nice if you could only opt into good porn. Yes I want adult material but only that which meets the following criteria. Think of the thousands of hours you could save if you didn't have to search :)

    9. Re:This is why I like being old by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you are unemployed and the local call centre is hiring then your choice is to take the job or lose your benefits.

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    10. Re:This is why I like being old by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      wrong way to approach this.

      the right way is: "I don't search for CP, and so it won't be an issue."

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  2. "Yes across the board." by grub · · Score: 5, Insightful


    I would hope Linda and others would have the fortitude to say "Yes across the board" and hang up. It's better to face the odd goatse than to have the government spoon feed you.

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  3. The answer is simple by TheNastyInThePasty · · Score: 5, Informative

    "I do not wish to have the government choose for me which content is appropriate for my viewing. Unblock all of it. If I am worried about what my children will get into, I will monitor them myself or purchase configurable child blocking software. Thank you. Have a nice day."

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  4. really? by lagomorpha2 · · Score: 4, Informative

    How hard is it to say, "Give me the total freedom package and piss off!"?

    1. Re:really? by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The British have one thing over America: They know how to say "Piss off!" in every situation imaginable. Americans just get all hot and whimper and then bend over. Violence is bad here, it's taught as "not the solution", and all aggression is looked down upon; we've forgotten how to push back, to shout at people, and to react to someone trying to kill us by throwing a brick at them instead of crying and ducking under a chair.

      In America, it would be like, "ohgod, I uh, please don't call me, I don't want to talk about stuff like that it's uncomfortable!"

    2. Re:really? by Antipater · · Score: 5, Funny

      Americans just get all hot and whimper and then bend over

      Just phrase it as "Obama is coming to take your porn!" That'll get 'em riled up good.

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    3. Re:really? by lagomorpha2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nah, over here it would be the other way around. Rumors would start about the government subsidizing adult content and the next thing you know the Right in the US would be screaming about protecting the children from Obamaporn.

  5. Definition. by nospam007 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I guess for the ruling party, the opposition would be 'obscene'.

  6. Re:Please ... by MozeeToby · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Does "drugs" block sites such as those advocating an end to marijuana prohibition? Does "gay sex" block sites such as support sites for homosexual teens? I suspect yes and yes; if not intentionally every time then at least unintentionally some of the time. So no, you damn well won't censor any of my communications with the outside world.

  7. Here's what I'd say, and what YOU should say: by kheldan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Internet censorship, in any way, shape, or form, is wrong, and I for one do not support it nor will I endure it, because while ostensibly it is to 'protect the children!', it is inevitably mis-used as a tool by politicians to further their own political and social agendas, and by proxy it is further mis-used by big business to increase their profits by silencing their competition. Lastly it has been proven time and time again that using blacklists to censor the internet simply does not work, and it inevitably will block perfectly 'acceptable' content while sometimes allowing 'unacceptable' content through. Therefore I do not wish to have anything to do with anything having to do with any form of censorship, please do not include me in it, and please do not bother me about this subject again."

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  8. The Nanny State by vikingpower · · Score: 5, Insightful

    is now being turned, all nice and easy, into Nanny State 2.0: a Surveillance State. Police State will be Nanny State 3.0. Rejoice, o Britons !

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    1. Re:The Nanny State by vikingpower · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Do agree. I am originally from the Netherlands, and my father once told me a story about police being respected, in the 1930s. In a pub, there was a brawl, and some knives were being drawn. Someone still sober called the police from the nearby police station. A constable arrived, opened the door, stepped inside, looked around and said: "Well, it's about time to stop this nonsense, I guess." The rest of the evening was quiet.

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  9. Re:Please ... by Jason+Levine · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Personally, I'd respond "give me all of it" even though I have no desire to visit gay sex or drugs websites. First of all, should I decide to visit such sites in the future, I don't want to ask for permission to see them. Secondly, I don't want the government deciding what constitutes "gay sex" or "drugs" websites.

    Who is determining this and who is preventing them from abusing their position? (i.e. "You oppose me so your site is suddenly an 'undesirable' site and blocked by default.") Government shouldn't be in the business of blocking websites. If the government feels the need to do anything, they can recommend a few of the many free or pay web blocking programs and provide information on how to install/configure them on your local computers. This should appease the "think of the children" crowd without forcing the rest of us to abide by their definition of "right and wrong."

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  10. Re:Please ... by Krneki · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I guess Game of Thrones is on your block list.

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  11. And you're an asshole by Any+Web+Loco · · Score: 3, Informative

    In a perfect world we'd all be able to have jobs that didn't piss you off. Sadly, we don't live in that world and there are some people who have to take the only job that's available to them, and in some cases, that jobs going to be a job that consists of annoying you. When the alternative's starvation, any job's a good one. You're an asshole because you're advocating making life even shittier for people who may have no choice in doing the job they do.