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Headhunters Can't Tell Anything From Facebook Profiles

New submitter sfcat writes "Companies, headhunters and recruiters increasingly are using social media sites like Facebook to evaluate potential employees. Most of this is due to a 2012 paper from Northern Illinois Univ. that claimed that employee performance could be effectively evaluated from their social media profiles. Now a series of papers from other institutions reveal exactly the opposite result. 'Recruiter ratings of Facebook profiles correlate essentially zero with job performance,' write the researchers, led by Chad H. Van Iddekinge of FSU (abstract). Not only did the research show the ineffectiveness of using social media in evaluating potential employees, it also showed a measurable biases of the recruiters against minorities (African-American and Latino) and against men in general."

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  1. Color me shocked by RobinEggs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So a profession with no psychology background can't successfully evaluate peoples' personal statements and associations as a proxy for their professional competence? They're failing to do what even actual psychologists struggle with?

    Wow. Who'd have seen that coming.

    1. Re:Color me shocked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Any employer basing its decision to hire me based on social network profiles is not an employer I'd like to have. I don't have a FB profile and I don't see a reason to start now. My current employer seems to agree. During the interview I was honest and upfront about it, even though they didn't ask I told them straight away "I know companies these days scour prospective emplyee social network profiles, but the thing is I'm not on FB, Twitter, Pinterest, Instagram, tumblr, whatever-it-is-the-site-of-the-day". Their responsa was "We have no interest in your private life".

      I do have a profile on Linkedin, which I update regularly, though. And by regularly I mean probably once a month, or so. The only other remotely social networking I do is flickr. I do have an account, which I use to share photos and discuss photography with other enthusiasts like myself.

    2. Re:Color me shocked by erikkemperman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Same here, potential future employers are not going to find me on any social network. And if I were a recruiter, I'd probably consider having extensive profiles online a negative quality -- indicative of spending too much time posing and not enough actually working.

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    3. Re:Color me shocked by jareth-0205 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And if I were a recruiter, I'd probably consider having extensive profiles online a negative quality -- indicative of spending too much time posing and not enough actually working.

      Yeah, those horrible employees that have evenings and weekends where they can do things other than working for you, how dare they.

      Stick with the simplest, what people do in their own time is their own concern.

    4. Re:Color me shocked by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It is because it has experienced management in place. The companies that have fresh Grads from Business Management colleges are the ones that have the fools that think that your facebook profile is important.

      The #1 problem with all companies in the past decade. Putting a snot nosed 20 somethings in a management position. I don't care if they have a PHD in something, they are stupid in regards to managing people. The ONLY way to learn how to manage people is by doing it and that takes time. Honestly Management age brackets should start at 35 years old as the YOUNGEST unless they prove themselves to be some kind of people management savant.

      Otherwise you get these idiotic ideas that digging into your employees personal life has any relevancy to their work life. I have worked places where these idiots out of college tried to make everyone post something positive about he company daily on their Facebook/etc as a part of your employment. They claimed it was for "morale boosting". It was simply an attempt at free marketing.

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    5. Re:Color me shocked by Nemyst · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wait, so your solution to young managers not having experience is to delay them getting experience until they're older? How does that solve anything apart from pissing on young people?

    6. Re:Color me shocked by KernelMuncher · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I've got to disagree about your belief that young people can not be effective managers. The military routinely turns young college graduates into officers and gives them leadership responsibilities. That system has been successful in the United States for more than two hundred years.

      The main difference between the military and the private sector is in the preparation. The military has a specialized training program (OCS) specifically tailored for leadership principles that all applicants must pass before becoming officers. That lasts for several months. And, for young officers, there's a great support system of experienced officers and NCO's who can give them advice.

      Private corporations generally don't offer training and mentorship programs any more due to cost cutting measures. It's common to have people promoted to management positions with no training whatsoever. And the closest civilian equivalent, an MBA, seems to breed arrogance.

    7. Re:Color me shocked by rochrist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, yeah, and young officers are notoriously .....uneven...in their management capabilities, which is why we have noncommissioned who actually run things as long as the young officers are smart enough to rely on them. When they aren't, it's usually not very pretty.

    8. Re: Color me shocked by jareth-0205 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The only thing lamer than cultivating an extensive on-line social network is doing it during evenings and weekends instead of during working hours like 99.9% of social network enthusiasts.

      I would assume that a potentially worthwhile employee is doing something a little more enriching and/or constructive during their free time.

      Such judgement for a leisure activity! People have off-hours, people who work hard need off-hours even more. Some people read books, some watch cat videos, some poke around in other people's lives on Facebook. Again: judge people on the task that you want them to do for you, not what they choose to do outside of their interaction with you.

      The snobbery on this site is so tiring.

  2. Is anyone surprised? by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Problems with using social media aside, headhunters are fucking lazy morons. I've never personally had to deal with them, thankfully, but one of my friends, being a consultant, does often and they are universally wastes of flesh. They are not concerned with trying to find the best candidate for the job, carefully vetting resumes and checking experience. Rather they are interested in finding someone as fast as possible and mating them with a job so they can get their fee. They rarely have the faintest idea of what they are talking about in terms of technical requirements and so on.

    So ya, I'm sure this doesn't help. Particularly since what people put on their social networking sites varies a ton. Some people have lots of work related things, some have none. Doesn't really translate to job performance, just to what they like to share or not share.

    Sounds like more what they are doing, particularly based on the discrimination report, is finding people they think "look good" meaning largely white and particularly good looking female, and sending them on.

  3. Re: Biases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They are biased against men because if they hire to many men they get hit with a discrimination lawsuit (of course, hiring all women would because perfectly fine in this feminized age) This is even true when the men are more qualified (and if equally qualified, I'd always choose a man over a younger woman because he won't miss time die to childbirth. Unless of course the woman is sexy and it's a position wherever that would benefit, like sales or bartender)

  4. Wrong! by TrollstonButterbeans · · Score: 5, Funny

    This article only reinforces the value of social media in evaluating future job performance in the human resources industry. I'll explain!

    Since there is zero correlation, it is like reading tea leaves and a headhunter can reach any interpretation possible. Meanwhile, the zero correlation means any tea leaf reading cannot be falsified.

    Arbitrary opinions and no valid way of measurement --- which makes the interpretations completely subject to whim! It is the perfect industry, possibly only surpassed by the "how to write a successful resume" sector of the economy!

    With no right or wrong answers, what's not to LOVE!!!

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  5. My own experience. by drolli · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have a profile on a business social network. I am a physicist (PHD) , and have worked a long time in science.

    Everybody looking at my profile for longer than 20 seconds can figure that out.

    I have a solid electronics/condensed matter/analog measurement background.

    Everybody looking at my profile for longer than 40 seconds can figure that out.

    But as it happens, i am a curious guy with diverse programming skills, which I have been using *from time to time*, but i know enough to talk to IT experts who really know what they are doing

    Everybody looking at my profile for longer than 1 minute can figure that out.

    So what i typically get/got is:
    -we need a junior PHP programmer (yeah, sure - come on, admit you just searched for "PHP" and ignored the other skills, which you never heard about)
    -do you like a job as *expert* for [Skill X, which was listed explicitely as "little experience"] (Oh, you like to sell anybody to you customer. At least you read my profile, but, thanks, no)
    -in the interview (after beeing asked by the headhunter to apply): why do you apply here? (Yeah, because the company you hired to look for me "found" me - obviously they did not infrom you at all about the previous conversation.)

    And what i see in the company i work for:
    -I get a profile from our internal headhunters, whithout any infromation how that got onto my table.
    -I should evaluate people for things of which i have no idea at all, but "it sounded similar" (to the HR intern)
    -50% of hour HR seem to be interns. The HR has probably the highest rotation rate in the company; even the management has a felt half-life time of a year (sure, thats going to work out)

    1. Re:My own experience. by Common+Joe · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm hunting for a job and there are days I feel like poking a blunt stick in my eye because it would be less painful. I blame HR and head hunters because of my experience in the past with them. (They are almost all totally incompetent.)

      My current resume says I'm an application and database programmer. (In short: Oracle, PostgreSQL, C#, and Java is my current forte.) My blessing and curse is that I'm a jack-of-all-trades so I work in just about any language and I have. On the job boards, companies see the word "Java" on my resume (because I worked on Java apps recently) and that I worked on web apps 7+ years ago and they immediately assume I'm a current Java EE programmer. Phone interviews last all of about 3 minutes before they realize that I'm not who they are looking for. I don't get calls for anything else. I try to bury the Intranet stuff I did so it doesn't stand out and I try to highlight the ability for jack-of-all-trades. Doesn't quite work and I'm sure as hell not going to put "Not a web developer" on my resume. (Apparently, it's a mortal sin to list anything "negative" so I can't put the word "not" on my resume or cover letter.)

      So, here I am. Stuck. Unable to properly convey on job boards what I can do and getting the wrong kinds of calls. I think I'm going to go find a blunt stick.

    2. Re: My own experience. by PenguinOnCowboy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Jack of all trades is not the way to find a job. Companies are looking to fill a specific position. Craft a resume high lighting each of your specialities.

  6. Re:Biases by DarkOx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't think anyone is suggesting HR is not necessary but to continue your analogy:
    If the the HR / recruiting firm pairing at some places I have worked was a firewall/IPS pair it would:

    Have an insanely high false negative rate frequently forwarding malicious traffic with will known signatures

    Drop large amounts of legitimate traffic to important assets like the web farm, with log events of "just because, or I don't remember why".

    Forward traffic originally destine for other unused address to live hosts without any filtering to meet some minimum number of resumes^H^H^H^H connections setups.

    Interpret it policy rules on a per connection basis, frequently with different and non-deterministic results and log nothing.

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  7. Re:Bias against men by akozakie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And this is modded funny? Controversial, agreed, but funny?

    The dominating strain of feminism doesn't give a #$%# about equality and non-discrimination in general. It's one-way only, men be damned. Sure, there's a lot more discrimination against females in general, but in cases where it works the other way around you'd expect those who constantly babble about "equal rights" to side with discriminated men, at least verbally. Not a chance.

    Example from my country: in a divorce as a man you have practically zero chance for the kids to stay with you, even if the mother is absolutely unfit to care for them. Worse, your visiting hours tend to be minimal. How many females will you find in the group fighting for fathers' rights? Guess. "We want equal rights" - yeah, sure...

    Yeah, fuck this form of feminism.

  8. Re:Bias against men by mjm1231 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sure, fuck this form of feminism... but where the hell is it dominating? I mean, outside of right wing talk show fantasy world? I have never run into an actual person who holds this belief.

    The real world still does have a way to go to get to actual gender equality. That includes figuring out how to get there or what it even means. And it will need to go both ways. I would wager the majority of feminists would agree with that.

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  9. Recruiters aren't good at their purported job by russotto · · Score: 3, Informative

    Maybe it's just Sturgeon's Law, but most recruiters couldn't get a clue in a clue sanctuary while doused in clue scent.

    You could take a typical recruiter, drop them in the middle of Facebook HQ, and tell them to find some PHP experts, and they'd come back with a janitor, two administrators, and a high school kid who was visiting.

    You could give them the resumes of the top people in the world, mixed with some from recent San Quentin parolees, and they'd do no better than chance at picking the good ones.

    Facebook may or may not be a way to judge potential employees. But even if it were, most recruiters couldn't do it.

  10. Re:So what does it say... by tftp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How can you know that the "investigation" they do into your facebook profile is actually on the right person?

    Does that matter to HR? They have no engineering deadlines to meet, and no products to deliver to the customer. In a large company (where HR is most likely to be a significant group) HR would be well insulated from financial results of the business. Nobody is going to double-check resumes that they threw away.