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International Space Station Mission Extended To 2024

An anonymous reader writes with news that funding has been secured for the ISS through at least 2024. From NASA: "'...We are pleased to announce that the Obama Administration has approved an extension of the International Space Station until at least 2024. We are hopeful and optimistic that our ISS partners will join this extension effort and thus enable continuation of the groundbreaking research being conducted in this unique orbiting laboratory for at least another decade. ... A further benefit of ISS extension is it will give NASA and its private-sector partners time to more fully transition to the commercial space industry the transportation of cargo and crew to low-Earth-orbit, allowing NASA to continue to increase its focus on developing the next-generation heavy-lift rocket and crew capsule necessary for deep-space exploration."

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  1. If you like your space station you can keep... by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 2, Funny

    "If you like your space station you can keep your space station."

    Let's hope Obama wasn't kidding this time.

  2. Thanks Big O! by east+coast · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Thanks for spending my money on something I actually can get behind instead of just spending it on tracking my phone calls, funding terrorist organizations and god knows what else.

    Maybe you can keep this up and we can have a real science budget in the USA.

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    1. Re:Thanks Big O! by alexander_686 · · Score: 2

      I have a serious question – what science is the ISS doing that can be done better with humans and not by remotely? Grew up in Houston, big Sci-Fi fan, love science. It seems to me that the ISS is a highly capable piece of equipment in search of a mission.

      Most of the science that I hear about is about studying the effect of long term space flight so we can go to the Moon, Mars, etc. Which would be all fine and dandy if there were a real program to go to the Moon, Mars, etc.

      Where should I be looking?

    2. Re:Thanks Big O! by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Most of the science that I hear about is about studying the effect of long term space flight so we can go to the Moon, Mars, etc.

      ... and even those studies are just a rehash of what was done on Mir and Skylab decades ago.

    3. Re:Thanks Big O! by alexander_686 · · Score: 2

      You see that does not cut it for me.

      Take a look at the space program between JFK announcement that we were going to the moon to landing on the moon. There was a clear goal. Each step of the program was a clear, logical, step to expand our abilities to meet that goal. An excellent example of project management.

      You can’t say that about the ISS. Is what they are doing helping us to Mars or a asteroid? Maybe yes, maybe no – one can’t tell until you have set the goal. For example, if we just wanted to do a flyby of Mars with humans (IIRC there is a great window coming up to do just that) we have the science (biological, et. al.) to do that. Now, it seems rudderless. It would be a whole another story If we had a concert goal to go to Mars, which I would support.

      FYI, I have read and enjoyed Mary Roach’s book but have not read this one.

    4. Re:Thanks Big O! by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 2

      This is not real science; it is just pork for NASA/Houston. The real science in space is happening at NASA/JPL with their robotic missions such as Curiosity And the O'Admin is trying to kill off all the other planetary missions.

      Yes. Curiosity has been playing in the dirt on Mars for two years now. Please do tell what ground breaking "real science" has been done.

      Meanwhile the ISS has been used to grow protein crystals which have helped our understanding of Duchenne's muscular dystrophy. This type of research will be helpful for stroke prevention and cancer as well as treatment for emphysema and immune system disorders.

      The Materials Science Lab is giving us insights into making better alloys here on earth. There are other experiments going on regarding fluid dynamics and research that helps us better understand superconductors, Additionally there are experiments that we hope will give us a better understanding of combustion to help with efficiencies here on earth.

      Astronaut Donald Pettit is known for his own private experiments during his down time. I believe he used cracker crumbs to show how particles tend to clump in microgravity. Prior to this there was no definitive proof about how particles would behave in this environment.

      Curiosity is doing some very cool stuff, but please don't' act like the robotics division of NASA is the only one doing "real science". Much of the work on the ISS will have a real impact on our life here on earth. While the various probes we send out will give us a better understanding of the universe around us. See the difference? They are complimentary, not competitive.

    5. Re:Thanks Big O! by Stuntmonkey · · Score: 2

      Is what they are doing helping us to Mars or a asteroid?

      My assessment is: Not really.

      There is a very exciting goal in human spaceflight: Long-term habitation outside of Earth's biosphere. I think this is what everybody gets excited about when they think of humans in space. And there are good practical reasons to build off-world colonies, in terms of resource utilization and species risk.

      This is an enormously difficult goal, because humans are fragile and it's hard to support our needs in a completely self-contained way. If our Mars colony requires supply ships from Earth to maintain, we haven't done anything to mitigate species risk. And it will elevate the ongoing costs so much as to make it economically untenable. We need self-sustainability if we're to scale to the thousands, or millions, of off-world inhabitants we need to be a truly multi-planet species. Basic economics are important.

      If self-contained colonies are the real goal -- and I believe they are -- then logically our R&D should go into solving the major blockers to that outcome. The first thing to realize is that spaceflight is NOT one of those blockers. Since Apollo we've had the engineering know-how to safely transport humans to the surface of Mars. We've lacked the political will to fund it, but that's a different matter. All the fundamental technologies are in hand.

      The real engineering blocker is how do we survive long-term once we get there? How do we extract resources from Mars, how do we recycle our wastes, how do we grow food, how do we synthesize what we can't find? These are problems that don't have anything to do with spaceflight. Most, or all, of this is development can happen on the ground. NASA provides very little funding for this type of work. Perhaps they have looked at it and concluded the problems are too difficult to tackle in our present state of knowledge.

      So post-Apollo we've been in this odd situation: People support manned spaceflight because they think it's getting us closer to off-world colonies. But NASA's activities are not actually oriented toward achieving that goal.

  3. Re:Spend this money on science, not pork by Sarten-X · · Score: 2

    Ah, yes, because the unmanned probes are doing such a great job on the experiments where humans are the test subjects. At least those probes, carrying a dozen experiments each, are getting a lot of science done. After all, the ISS crew isn't busy or anything, right?

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  4. Re: Waldo by SJHillman · · Score: 2

    The problem with that is that space is a bitch of an environment to maintain something as complex as the ISS over time. Unless you're only looking at another decade or two of life, you'll probably see it reach the point where it's cheaper and easier to build a new space station, moonbase or Mars base than it is to continue maintaining the ISS. There's also few practical options for preserving it as a piece of history, no matter how cool that would be.

  5. Re:Title is misleading by captainpanic · · Score: 2

    I agree that all participants have to say yes. But the Ruskies, Europeans and the 'Muricans are the three largest investors, and therefore it is a step in the right direction that Obama made the money available.

  6. The Russians will have to wait a bit longer by bobbied · · Score: 3, Informative

    They where already planning for the demise of the ISS. They where going to salvage parts that they owned and create their own orbiting platform for deep space exploration. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_Piloted_Assembly_and_Experiment_Complex

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  7. Re:Yes! by Teancum · · Score: 2

    Good news for the Russian Space Agency. They get to ferry Americans up to space for at least another 10 years.

    I wouldn't be so quick to make that assumption. There are certainly other vehicles which can take people to the ISS besides the Soyuz spacecraft, and one of which will be flying within the decade. I would even suggest all three will be flying routinely.

  8. Re:Waldo by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 2

    It is a collaborative effort of many people and many nations

    Yes, it's a collaborative international effort and three quarters of the budget has come from the US.

  9. Re:Facilitate Commercial Space Flight by organgtool · · Score: 2

    That's an extremely one-sided view of scientific research. The private market only cares about discoveries that can be monetized within the next few years. Any big discoveries that would take too much time, money, or risk get thrown off the table. Those discoveries were usually funded by the government and led to such breakthroughs as going to the moon. At its peak, the U.S. used the combined might of our private AND public sectors to dominate nearly every corner of science and engineering. Now, many people such as yourself think that the road back to recovery with new big players in the game such as China can be handled single-handedly by the private sector. Well, you're getting your way as the U.S. is cutting back on government research in many different branches of science, and while that may line up with your political ideologies, I have a feeling that you, and the rest of our country, are not going to like the results.

  10. Re:For what purpose by Teancum · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When does INL turn a profit? Los Alamos? Amundsen-Scott? Those are all major laboratories doing basic research. The ISS justifiably fits right in there with all of those facilities, and I"m glad that it is treated as such.

    Part of the problem is that the ISS really is incomplete to be able to support the personnel needed to make it really thrive as a research lab. It was supposed to have a crew of six astronauts on board full-time (that was the original design) where two of those astronauts would deal with station keeping duties (at least trading off the equivalent of two astronauts doing that work) while the other four would be doing basic research.

    That hasn't happened The TransHab module in particular is needed to provide additional berthing arrangements (aka sleeping quarters) for the astronauts or at least another lab module that can expand the occupancy as well as one of the other partners (either ESA or NASA) needs to develop another spacecraft to bring astronauts up and down. NASA is working on that so it is just a matter of time.

    Regardless, the ISS is doing some tremendous work right now, and it is disingenuous to suggest that spider webs are the only thing being studied. The number of experiments numbers in the hundreds that have already been completed. You can debate the merit of that research based upon the funding being done, but far less has been done with far more money in other endeavors of government activity. The entire ISS program, including all shuttle launches and training and all of the maintenance costs, is still less than the amount of money spent on air conditioning equipment used by the U.S. military in Afghanistan.

    As for private stations going into space and trying to duplicate the features of the ISS, I would bet that Robert Bigelow would be willing to help you out if you had a good idea and some funding sources to consider. I agree it would be done much cheaper by private industry, but it already is built... so do you really think it needs to be thrown away and splashed in the Pacific Ocean?

  11. Re:Yes! by CosaNostra+Pizza+Inc · · Score: 2

    RAND Paul for president!? LMFAO

  12. Re:What a waste $3B every year by Princeofcups · · Score: 5, Insightful

    down the tubes.. or into the vacuum as the case may be. The ISS has no major accomplishments other than being a gravy train for aerospace contractors. Is there research going on up there that provides sufficient return to justify a cost of $8.2 million per day if it were not funded through tax dollars? Now that the station is being serviced commercially it is time to pull the plug. If IBM or Intel or Merck or Pfizer or whomever want a research lab in space let them form a consortium with Boeing et al and build one that suits their needs. And if they are really in love with the existing station, sell it to them and get some tax money back.

    This is going to be inflammatory, but I have good karma to burn.

    You sad sick fuck. The world is not beholden to the economic views of market capitalism. Science and knowledge expansion requires the expenditure of resources that are NOT tied up in making the elite more elite. It's your viewpoint that has destroyed what was once the greatest scientific community and left nothing but a corpse picked over by weasels and hyenas.

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