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Thousands of Gas Leaks Discovered Under Streets of Washington DC

First time accepted submitter gallifreyan99 writes "Researchers from Duke revealed today that they had discovered nearly 5,900 gas leaks under the streets of Washington DC, including 12 that posed a serious risk of explosion. And it's not just Washington: a gas industry whistleblower who is part of the team showed this was happening in cities all over America."

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  1. great! now maybe they can by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    take care of the massive rat problem at 1st & Capitol NE?

    1. Re:great! now maybe they can by oneiros27 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Not to worry, there are forces at hand already working on the rodent problem there.

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    2. Re:great! now maybe they can by rmdingler · · Score: 2
      Tod and Templeton battle an evil privatized energy infrastructure conglomerate.

      Yep, It has Pixar written all over it.

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    3. Re:great! now maybe they can by Austrian+Anarchy · · Score: 2

      When sovereign immunity is given to any people the result is predictable.

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    4. Re:great! now maybe they can by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      From you're comment, I'm not sure if you have rat problem that is massive, or if you have a problem with massive rats. Or perhaps both...

      Rodents of unusual size? I don't think they exist...

  2. Private enterprise to the rescue by captbob2002 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Good to know that private enterprise is taking such good care of their infrastructure - so much better than anything the government might operate *snort*.

    I am sure they will ask for a rate increase to perform the maintenance that they should have been doing all along - can't take that kind of money from the shareholders (owners.)

    Keep the profits private and the losses public - that's the ticket.

    1. Re:Private enterprise to the rescue by blue+trane · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Utilities should be public, and not operated for profit. Since they're in the public good, money can be created (by the Fed, say, which then gives it to the government at no interest and keeps the loan rolling over forever, or forgives it) to make infrastructure safe. The free market has failed to provide secure infrastructure, because the free market does not care about the General Welfare; but the government is mandated to by the Constitution.

    2. Re:Private enterprise to the rescue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Except that the government is, in many ways, controlled by corporations. And if the government really cared about the constitution, we wouldn't have the TSA, the NSA spying, stop-and-frisk, free speech zones, or suspicion-less border searches.

      Both the government and corporations are just trash.

    3. Re:Private enterprise to the rescue by plover · · Score: 4, Funny

      Utilities should be public, and not operated for profit.

      But ... free markets! Capitalism! Invisible hands! Civil liberties! Competition!

      You socialists think that just because corporate greed has always won every decision in every board room ever, that means that every future corporation will be equally corrupt. We'll be the first to tell you that "past performance is no guarantee of future success." It could certainly happen that a private, for-profit utility would put the public good ahead of their profits.

      Well, it could happen.

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    4. Re:Private enterprise to the rescue by dcw3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is not an example of free enterprise by any stretch of the imagination. Public utilities are tightly controlled, with virtually no competition.

      So, while we can debate the virtues, or lack thereof, of public vs. private efforts, utilities fall into the grey area in between.

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    5. Re:Private enterprise to the rescue by JWW · · Score: 2

      Maybe they wouldn't directly put the public good ahead of profits, but they might put limiting their liability ahead of their profits.

      Having a large accident would be a large liability for an energy company, and they would naturally take steps to avoid it.

      While companies exist to make money the idea that only the government really cares about the people is a little too simplistic. Especially when you start talking into account how government entities like the NSA "care" about the people.

    6. Re:Private enterprise to the rescue by jbmartin6 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Monopolies are bad. Government makes a monopoly. Results are bad. Are you surprised? I am surprised at your apparent attitude, given the track record of government-managed systems. You think that would be better?

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    7. Re:Private enterprise to the rescue by Gothmolly · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Except that they aren't private, they're granted a monopoly and enjoy quasi-governmental rights. This is what happens when you have the worst of both worlds.

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    8. Re:Private enterprise to the rescue by overshoot · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Having a large accident would be a large liability for an energy company, and they would naturally take steps to avoid it.

      That's not how regulated utilities work [1]. Their rates are set to guarantee a defined return on investment. To avoid having them "invest" in gold-plated executive toilets at Corporate Headquarters, the utility commission gets to decide what the company can invest in. If they approve an upgrade to the pipes, the Corporation gets to charge the customers for the cost plus ROI. If the Commission denies the request (to keep rates down) the liability is a business expense and the Corporation gets to charge the customers and add ROI to that, too.

      Private or public, utility infrastructure is a political decision.

      [1] City gas is a so-called "natural monopoly." Think about what an unregulated one would be like.

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    9. Re:Private enterprise to the rescue by ibwolf · · Score: 2

      Why should gas infrastructure be public when surely it isn't as critical, or at least no more so, than food, water, medicine, logistics, drilling for oil?

      If a grocery store isn't doing a good job it will likely go out of business. Setting up a new grocery store is fairly simple and doesn't require much capital.

      Now compare that to setting up a competing gas infrastructure.

      It's not about "being in the public good" per se. But being of an inherently monopolistic nature. Private gas infrastructure makes about as much sense as private road infrastructure.

    10. Re:Private enterprise to the rescue by amck · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Monopolies are bad. Government makes a monopoly. Results are bad. Are you surprised? I am surprised at your apparent attitude, given the track record of government-managed systems. You think that would be better?

      Not necessarily. For example the method used in Former Yugoslavia: the bread business was nationalised to ensure cheap bread for the populace. Two government bread companies were set up (IIRC). They were made to compete with each other, but with within strict rules, so that profit-taking for the benefit of staff salaries was out, but they could find efficiencies and compete. Also, it was legal for private companies to set up and sell other types of bread, but obviously couldn't control the market.

      Similarly, Ireland had a nationalized shipping company to ensure shipping happened in Ireland ; during WWII no-one else would ship to Ireland because of the danger, and after the war they needed stable prices. Other companies could compete, but this meant there was a ceiling on prices and there was always someone capable of shipping.

      Secondly having spent half my life in the public and half in the private sector, the private-sector is just as bad, it just doesn't have public investigations into waste.

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    11. Re:Private enterprise to the rescue by Petron · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Like Chernobyl? Run by the government for the public good... then it exploded in 1986. Then it was brought back online and ran until the end 2000 because the public good needed cheap power.

      The problem is the lack of free markets. In most cities you don't have the option of 5 different gas companies. You get one. That is because the city leaders in their infinite wisdom on what is good for the people decided that ABC Company will handle all the hardware and maintenance.

      I worked at an ISP as a Tech support manager years back, and our DSL lines had to use the local TelCom's lines. We had to pay a rental fee for those lines (to pay for maintenance) and at the end of the day, we made very little on DSL. You see they had the government contract. All phone lines in the area were controlled by them. Any other TelCom had to use their lines (with the rental fee). They had a monopoly, where the competition had to buy from them. And the TelCom had crappy lines and had no interest in fixing them. One section of town was wired with 'Paper lines'... copper wire wrapped in wax paper. These lines were meant to be used as a temporary fix while real line can be ordered and laid... but they used it as normal line. When ever it rained we had calls in and you can year popping on the line. If you can hear noise... think on what the computer picks up. The only resort they had was call the TelCom to fix it... and a few days later, when things dried out... "Everything is fine'. We got sick of it and we started to put up wireless routers all over town. We offered wireless internet, and started to move all our DSL customers to wireless... only then did the TelCom started to replace those paper lines with real lines. Funny how competition forces improvements heh?

      With the utilities we don't have a free market. We have a strongly regulated, heavily controlled, government backed monopoly... and then we blame the free market when it becomes corrupt. I have one choice for a gas company. I have one choice for an electric company. I have one choice for a TelCom. That is not the Free Market.

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    12. Re:Private enterprise to the rescue by Ksevio · · Score: 2

      I am sure they will ask for a rate increase to perform the maintenance that they should have been doing all along

      They do one better - they charge the customers now for the line-loss as a percentage of what they use. They actually have incentive to have leaky pipes because it means they're selling more gas to the same number of customers.

    13. Re:Private enterprise to the rescue by operagost · · Score: 2

      Again, in what universe would a government-enforced monopoly be called "capitalism"?

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    14. Re:Private enterprise to the rescue by necro81 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Having a large accident would be a large liability for an energy company, and they would naturally take steps to avoid it

      If you had bothered to RTFA, you would have noted that dangerous leaks are usually addressed immediately; just as you say, it's a liability thing.

      But the thousands of smaller leaks (ones that don't affect buildings or subterranean infrastructure, for instance, just leaking gas into the ground), because they don't pose an immediate safety risk, are largely ignored and never fixed. From a climate change standpoint (hell, even from a horticultural standpoint - gas kills plants), these are costs that don't show up as liabilities to the company. In other words, another example of an externality that the magical hand of capitalism has failed to account for. If the gas company were charged a premium rate for lost gas (i.e., the difference between what they take delivery of and the sum of all they deliver to customers) to account for those methane emissions, or were charged $5,000 to replace a tree killed by a gas leak, then they might take it more seriously. So why don't we?

    15. Re:Private enterprise to the rescue by tibit · · Score: 2

      The biggest thing I don't get: why the fuck don't they use the foreverlasting polyethylene piping like you see in Europe? The standard method of joining those PE pipes is thermal welding, essentially making the entire pipe system one contiguous piece of material. Why does anyone approve any steel or iron piping for intra-city gas distribution at all? It's nuts. You can have copper or iron piping inside of the buildings, for fire safety, if those pipes can be routed in non-condesing environment. That's about it. Iron pipes routinely rust on external threaded connections. Almost anywhere in the U.S. you go and see iron gas pipes exposed to the elements (like they always are around gas meters), it stinks due to leaking gas. Gas stink is everywhere in the U.S., it's like going full retard and being proud of it.

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    16. Re:Private enterprise to the rescue by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think you should have taken this argument further.

      The problem with utilities, public or (most) private, is that they're really NOT "free enterprise". They are either run by the government, or highly regulated by the government, often in a "crony capitalism" fashion... which is about as far from "free enterprise" as it gets.

      I think it's hilarious how Statists will see businesses regulated -- badly -- and then use that as an excuse for even more government intervention. "Look! It's not working! Let your benevolent government step in and fix it!"

      Yeah, right. When was the last time THAT worked?

    17. Re:Private enterprise to the rescue by amorsen · · Score: 2

      You do know that what happened at Chernobyl was because of individual decisions to conduct an "experiment" without proper control, regulation and training, right? Nothing about the accident was a result of government or public policy decisions. It was reckless individuals out for their own gain.

      That is a vast simplification at best. Chernobyl suffered from everything from design to management problems. There is no evidence that any individuals were out for their own gain, as you put it.

      The operators did wrong, but they were operating an unsafe reactor design with insufficient training while lacking proper management.

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    18. Re:Private enterprise to the rescue by east+coast · · Score: 2

      Except for that utilities are very much regulated throughout the entire country, sir. There is no free market to speak of. Pricing adjustments, policies and procedure and budgets are denied and approved by the government. What "private" utilities would be better termed as would be subcontractors.

      The gaslines in DC are already a regulated utility. You're trying to act centralist but your language shows that you're clearly in the government-owned camp.

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    19. Re:Private enterprise to the rescue by CowTipperGore · · Score: 2

      Generally gas distribution companies are allowed a baseline "lost and accounted for" amount of gas that is built into their rates. Anything above that either requires serious documentation/explanation or is taken out of the company profit. There is incentive to get to that baseline number but extremely diminishing returns after that. As you say, that could change if other costs were factored into the equation.

  3. What a noobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is known tech, used extensively in many countries, yet they still can't manage to maintain a decent system quality.
    http://www.activistpost.com/2010/08/10-signs-us-is-becoming-third-world.html

  4. Shouldn't be a surprise... by Mashiki · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This happens all over the place, including serious enough leaks that can cause explosions. Occasionally you hear about a building/house/etc blowing up because gas has leaked in from a line out front, or was run under a building, or something else. The only solution is checking, that and running new pipe. In my area back about 15 years ago Union Gas replaced all of the old turn of the century cast iron pipe with plastic. There was no shortage of the old stuff cracking and having developed leaks over the last 100 years. And of course, they checked every house along the way to the meter and if need be they dug up your front yard and replaced the pipe.

    I'm actually not sure why the whistleblower thing is "needed" being that anyone who went to highschool(at least in Canada), knows that this is an issue. And yet, we have NG all over the place, or propane if you're too far off the line, or oil. And of course there's still plenty of people who don't have any of those, and are pure electric or wood.

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  5. In other news ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The latest teenage prank is to throw lighted matches and cigarettes down manholes in Washington, DC."

    "Gas company announces it needs to raise rates to fix leaks."

    ...A few months go by of more efficient gas lines - meaning less wasted into the atmosphere.

    "Gas company CEO gets bonus for increased profits. Writes book on how to be a great CEO."

    He then appears on CNBC and is introduced as Blow Hard Jack and pontificates on how a business should be run. CNBC talking heads fawn all over him and blame Democrats for the poor business climate.

    DC residents stuck with higher rates while CEO and shareholders rake it in. But hey, they worked HARD for it - they had to READ a news headline in the paper about their operational stupidity. The thought of proactively looking for leaks never crossed their mind.

    1. Re:In other news ... by Bigby · · Score: 2

      That is what happens when you have autonomous public companies. Most of Jersey City works this way, including trash collection, parking authority, etc... Everything but the police and fire departments. And guess what? Jersey City is like 90% Democrat.

      This isn't a party issue. It is an issue with autonomous public companies. A company is either private or public. And guess what? Public companies are the ones that need most of the regulating. They are the ones raking profits that are not checked by other companies, since they were granted monopolies. The only check is to vote for someone else to appoint a new leader of the autonomous public company. But that never changes anything, because no one can overcome the power of free money when they are put in that position.

      Where else does the leader of the parking authority making $250K a year? Yes, the leader of the group of people that issue parking permits and drive around ticketing people. The leader...not the one doing it.

    2. Re:In other news ... by airdweller · · Score: 2

      "The media blaming Democrats for anything?"
      Keep staying clueless. You're doing a great job.

  6. Exploding manholes by oneiros27 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Back when I lived in DC (late 1990s) there were regular reports of exploding manholes ... with the best guess of the cause being a combination of gas leaks and electrical shorts. Of couse, in the report on the problem blamed PEPCO (electrical) not Washington Gas.

    About 10 years ago, they had a solution -- install manholes with vent holes in them, so the gas pressure can't build up as easily. Of course, you instead get extra water underground, which can lead to faster corrosion of pipes.

    Last year, when the methane levels were first reported, the estimate was 38 exploding manholes per year ... so I'm guessing the vented covers have been less than successful.

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    1. Re:Exploding manholes by complete+loony · · Score: 2

      Blowing the cover off the manhole is easy, the explosion could have been triggered a long way off underground. Plus ethane is slightly denser than air, so it's unlikely to vent off much through the manhole cover. You'd probably need to push air through to disperse the gas.

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    2. Re:Exploding manholes by clickclickdrone · · Score: 2

      You can't call them manholes any more, it's sexist. They're called street level person apertures.

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  7. Shhhh by LookIntoTheFuture · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Do you hear that? That's the sound of the US crumbling under unregulated greed and power.

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  8. There is only one solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Prosecute the whistleblowers for leaking the leaks!

    Think of the^W^W^W Imagine what a terrorist could do with this information!

  9. There is only one thing to do... by 3seas · · Score: 2

    Call the NSA, CIA, FBI and all those who are against leaks.

  10. Am I the only one not surprised? by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 3, Funny

    I always knew WDC was full of gas.

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  11. Sensationalist headline is Sensational by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    There isn't anything ere to be worried about folks.

    There are thousands and thousands of miles of 60 plus year old cast iron and steel pipe. These pipes expand and contract over time and wiggle themselves loose. Typically these leaks are very small and are no danger to the public, which is why they are allowed to persist. Every natural gas utility in the United States is required to have a leak management program which is monitored by the state they reside in and the Department of Transportation. Most natural gas utilities have capital infrastructure projects in place to replace these old pipes with new plastic pipe, which is more flexible and creates a very strong joint. The creation of these programs is directly related to the regulatory agencies mandating a reduction in leaks each year.

    If you do ever smell natural gas (which actually doesn't smell, mercaptain is added for the fart smell) please call your utility and report it.

    I am an engineer at a natural gas utility and it is my job manage the installation of plastic pipe and deal with these leaks.

  12. Well, that's one way by overshoot · · Score: 2

    The good news is that this may get the Government to notice the enormous deferred-maintenance problem in the USA.

    The bad news is that they'll only fix the stuff inside the Beltway and pay for it by shorting repairs somewhere else.

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  13. No no no by Greyfox · · Score: 4, Funny

    That's Ok! I don't see any need for job-killing regulations for the energy industry in Washington! If anything they need LESS regulation, or someone will outsource all those gas jobs to China! Congress doesn't want to kill jobs do they?

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    1. Re:No no no by Greyfox · · Score: 2

      Aaaaaaand WHOOOOSH! :-P

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  14. All municipal gas systems leak by JazzHarper · · Score: 2

    This is not news. Natural gas lines leak--they always have. It has nothing to do with whether the utility is public or private. It has nothing to do with US politics. Natural gas utilities all over the world operate their systems at low pressure to minimize the leakage and fix significant problems when they're detected. It sounds like Duke students discovered something that civil engineers have known for 100 years.

  15. Global warming, not explosions is the concern by wired_parrot · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's not about the danger of gas explosions ; larger gas leaks that pose safety concerns are usually addressed if they are detected. It's about the thousands of small leaks, that the gas industry often ignores as being too small to pose any risk. In this the second link is very informative: not only are these small leaks killing trees and vegetation in the vicinity of where they occur, but collectively they are leaking a large amount of methane into the atmosphere that contributes to global warming. And given that methane is 20 times more potent as a greenhouse gas, it means if the estimates of the leaks were to be correct, natural gas would actually be worse for global warming than coal. This would have powerful implications for US energy policy, given that natural gas is being sold as a cleaner burning fossil fuel, when the leaks completely undermine it's "clean" premise.

  16. Re:Hilarious by ilsaloving · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Riiiiiiight. And it has nothing at all to do with big businesses doing everything they can to hoard profits, and idiot apologists like you that think that there is nothing wrong with that fact.

    Electricity was deregulated in California. What happened? Prices shot up, service deteriorated. Do I need to mention Enron?

    How many times have you opened up the paper to see stories about companies laying off thousands of workers, not because the business is losing money, but because they arn't making *enough profit*. There is no such things as an honest public company as long as they are required by law to put their investors above all others. The sheer number of examples is virtually limitless.

    If Washington Gas (for example) was such a benevolent little angel, why did they have to be *ordered* by the commission to upgrade pipes? How many times has there been a massive ecological disaster because an oil company was too cheap to implement basic precautions?

    So spare me your bullshit. Libertarian is synonymous with "I've got mine, fuck you!", for good reason, whether you like it or not.