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Ask Slashdot: It's 2014 -- Which New Technologies Should I Learn?

An anonymous reader writes "I've been a software engineer for about 15 years, most of which I spent working on embedded systems (small custom systems running Linux), developing in C. However, web and mobile technologies seem to be taking over the world, and while I acknowledge that C isn't going away anytime soon, many job offers (at least those that seem interesting and in small companies) are asking for knowledge on these new technologies (web/mobile). Plus, I'm interested in them anyway. Unfortunately, there are so many of those new technologies that it's difficult to figure out what would be the best use of my time. Which ones would you recommend? What would be the smallest set of 'new technologies' one should know to be employable in web/mobile these days?"

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  1. Learn the basics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Get intimate with the http protocol first and foremost! I can't tell you how many times I've worked with "web developers" who have no clue what the different HTTP verbs do, or why they're there in the first place.

    Secondly, if you want to code backend I''d stick to backend. Find a serverside technology that suits you(ASP.Net, Java or PHP) and start learning. Don't waste to much time learning frontend web technologies, as that's a completely different workflow to what I think you want to do. Most serious web development companies have dedicated frontend developers for a reason :).

    Good luck!

    1. Re:Learn the basics by Ash+Vince · · Score: 4, Informative

      Why they are there? They don't even know THAT they are there!

      If your web dev looks at you blankly and asks "Verb? What verb?", you know that you have a long way to go.

      As I a web developer of the past decade or so, I can honestly tell you I have had to dive into the meaning of HTTP verbs exactly once in all that time to do stuff with HTTP PUT.

      The reality is that you can actually be a dam successful web developer without having a clue what an HTTP Verb is even though you use them every time you create form that posts its variables instead of putting them on the querystring. Does it make you a better web developer knowing a bit more about HTTP Verbs? Absolutely, it does but you can use them on a daily basis without knowing how putting Method="POST" on a form is translated into the underlying HTTP protocol since most web technologies abstract this stuff away from you.

      The time when understanding a bit more about HTTP protocols really comes into play is when you need to start creating or utilizing API's.

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    2. Re:Learn the basics by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As a C programmer, I had to descend into the depths of ASM about twice in the decade I have been developing. But KNOWING about it sure helped me avoid stack overflow security errors, mostly because I knew just why they pose a security threat.

      The point is not that you have to USE it. The point is to know about the basics to understand WHY you do some of the things you do the way you do them. Rote programming is one of the problems of our times, where programmers do stuff a certain way because they were taught to do it that way without understanding the basic idea behind the reason to do it that way.

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  2. Work on the basics by mozumder · · Score: 5, Informative

    Javascript/jquery front ends, php/python/ruby/sql backends.

    Objective-C for iOS.

    Those will keep you employed for the next 10 years.

    1. Re:Work on the basics by crutchy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      dunno what retard modded parent down... maybe he's just an asphole

      as much as javascript is as shit as python, it's like that annoying relative that you just can't get rid of so you may as well get used to

      client-server has been at the forefront for years and will continue to be the case, particularly as clients evolve in the mobile arena the only fixed baseline is the trusty ol' web browser

    2. Re:Work on the basics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      And Java, for Android development.

    3. Re:Work on the basics by Spy+Handler · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Objective-C for iOS

      This. Since you already have 15 years of C experience, you should pick this up quick. And it will set you apart from all the noob JS/php "developers" whose only knowledge of C is that it's the third letter of the alphabet.

    4. Re:Work on the basics by VortexCortex · · Score: 5, Funny

      whose only knowledge of C is that it's the third letter of the alphabet.

      Actually, 'C', is the second letter of the alphabet's char array. 'A' is zeroth.

    5. Re:Work on the basics by Daniel+Hoffmann · · Score: 5, Funny

      Actually C is the 0x47th letter in the alphabet I use.

    6. Re:Work on the basics by mysidia · · Score: 4, Funny

      Javascript/jquery front ends, php/python/ruby/sql backends.

      Don't forget to learn SQL and libbdb/BerkeleyDB for databases; Qt for user interfaces; Davlik for Android. Java.... Java EE... Java JUnit.... C#. C++... Objective-C OCUnit, Cedar. Behavior-driven test tools, JBehave. Selenium framework; Cucumber, RSpec, and Capybara for testing: Javascript jasmine; Python Lettuce or Splinter . C# MSpec, SpecFlow, WaitN.

    7. Re:Work on the basics by olau · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Python is a really nice language. For a Python backend, you could start with the Django tutorial. Go through that and a Python tutorial, and try to remember not to program Python as you would C, and you'll have a good start.

      For the front end, you'll need to spend some time with HTML, and learn a bit of Javascript/jQuery for any dynamic parts. And if you want it to look any good (and you should care about this because people on the web are generally less forgiving of not caring about the looks), you'll also need to figure out how to mimic a graphical style from a designer with CSS. For hobby stuff, you can just mimic some existing designs, if you're doing it as a business you'd probably want to pay someone to come up with the design, or buy a pre-existing one.

      It sounds like a lot of work, but Python + Django is actually lots of fun because you can get a lot done in little time (there's a video of someone doing a wiki site in 20 minutes), and the whole front-end thing is also quite fun because a browser is an interactive beast so you can quickly change things around and see things happen graphically.

    8. Re:Work on the basics by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Interesting

      For mobile development, learn about tools, platforms and methods for cross-platform development. And once you master the tools, learn about UI/UX and what makes a great interface on mobile platforms. These are skills in short supply, even in mobile development shops.

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    9. Re: Work on the basics by arielCo · · Score: 5, Funny

      C is for Cookie, and your browsers store them for me! (Omnom nom, nom)

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    10. Re:Work on the basics by dkleinsc · · Score: 5, Funny

      Actually, most developers and a lot of systems I encounter use a character encoding that they say is UTF-8, but actually kinda uses ASCII. This causes all sorts of interesting issues, which is why I've dubbed this encoding WTF-8.

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    11. Re:Work on the basics by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm not sure this is a fair answer to the question: it's a little like someone saying "It's 2014: What new stuff should I learn to be a better accountant?" and the answer coming back "Have you tried calculus? IT'S AWESOME!!"

      The right answer, alas, is not something that tickles your fancy, but something you're likely to hate - like the latest tax code.

      What about the original question? Well, they're saying "New technologies" but it's not clear if they mean "New to me" or "New as in 3D printed guns". I'm guessing the latter, this is Slashdot after all.

      The answer to the latter interpretation is, of course, "Who the f--- knows?" It's pretty close to impossible to determine what's a fad technology and what's not. I think node.js shows some potential, but it's the only thing I can think off the top of my head it's worth familiarizing yourself with - and technically, it's not new new, it's just up and coming.

      The answer to the former is... well, something that's going to depress virtually everyone on Slashdot.

      Python? Fuck no. Nobody uses it. Let me clarify that for pedants: yes, you can mention a handful of projects that use it, and many, many, many, GNU/Linux wizards use it to write quick automation scripts for various tasks, but that's not a reason to learn it.

      What do you need to learn that's a back-end language? Well, there are three:

      PHP.
      VB.NET.
      Java.

      At least two, possibly three, of those will send most self respecting programmers gibbering in a corner. However:

      - PHP is the language of LAMP. Yes, P originally meant "Perl", but PHP took over a long time ago. Download a few popular open source projects of scale and popularity equal to or greater than Wordpress (itself a common example), and you'll see what I mean - large numbers, possibly most, of the projects you download will be written in this bullshit, awful, language.

      - VB.NET is one of the two major enterprise core platforms. It really is. Why? Well, back in the 1990s, lots of corporations brought in armies of code monkeys to write their core business applications in the easiest languages available, which meant they were left with a large body of business logic written in VB. As businesses moved to the web, they found the easiest migration path was VB.NET, it meant they could use much of their existing code and simply drop it into a web environment. As a result, most .NET applications are written in VB.NET, and large numbers of enterprises are dependent upon it.

      - Java - the other end of the Enterprise coin. Any corporation who didn't migrate to VB.NET for their data/web backends migrated to Java instead, because of the big Java push in the late 1990s and because Sun put together some moderately good (for the time) web frameworks in the early 2000s.

      And that's it.

      You can start to cry now.

      Python? Nice, but up there with shell scripting as something that's good to have, but you won't actually ever have a boss ask you "We have major problem and we're going to need someone with Python skills to fix it."

      Front end development: HTML5 and jQuery. Worth knowing a little Flash too, because you may have to maintain something in Flash or even write something new in Flash if your employer doesn't want people downloading their multimedia files. That's about it.

      This is the truthful answer. It's up to you to decide now: does this make you want to give up being a programmer? Because if it does, you can always become an accountant! Here's a copy of the 2014 Tax code to get you started...

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  3. It's 2014 by StripedCow · · Score: 5, Funny

    Answer:
    Corporate Finance, Intellectual Property Law, Data Mining

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    1. Re:It's 2014 by coastwalker · · Score: 5, Informative

      Spot on. All those posts advising on what tools to learn are missing the point. The world isn't hiring people with toolboxes, its hiring people who know how to use the toolbox to make stuff. Concentrate on finding the right Stuff to become expert on and you will enjoy your toil and make money doing it.

      Sitting in a basement learning how to use a bunch of tools will just see you end up on a production line making dog food. Which is OK if you like the all pervasive smell of dog food I guess, but probably wasn't in your plan for life when you thought that being an Astronaut might be fun.

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  4. Javascript! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Learn Javascript. It's everywhere:
    * client-side in browsers as little helper fragments attached to buttons, etc
    * used for building rich client applications within browsers
    * can be used server-side with things like Node.js
    * is embedded as a scripting language into various tools

    And it's actually not a bad language. The underlying concepts are simple and elegant, although some features for large-scale programming are lacking (no module system, etc).

    It's also fun to learn, because you can achieve interesting/amusing results within a browser with just a few lines of javascript.

    With some solid javascript knowledge for both client and server-side style code, a lot of job opportunities will open. Learning something like Python is an alternative, but even then employers who look for Python programmers for web-based apps will usually also want javascript skills...

  5. Stick to what you know by rodrigoandrade · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You got 15 years experiene writing C code, good luck finding a "whiz kid" who can do it better than someone who's been doing it for that long.

    You said it yourself, C isn't going away anytime soon. Stick to it as your bread and butter.

    If you want to learn to program for Android/iOS, that's great, but do it as a hobby. Employers nowadays want 10 years experience on a tech that's only been available for 5 years (yes, it's that crazy), so by the time you get up to speed, the market will have already moved on to the next shiny thing.

    You started with "It's 2014..." What will you do in 2025? Like I said, when it comes to your bread and butter, stick to what you know best.

    1. Re:Stick to what you know by ebno-10db · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Employers nowadays want 10 years experience on a tech that's only been available for 5 years (yes, it's that crazy)

      a/k/a H-1B job listings - meant only to prove that there are no Americans to fill the job. The real disadvantage Americans have is that we have no time portals which allow you to get 10 years of experience with a 5 year old technology. Some other countries are obviously filled with these time portals, as companies are able to find people meeting the job qualifications in those countries.

      FWD.US is obviously on the wrong tack with their "think of the children approach", when what we need is a program to make time portals widely available.

    2. Re:Stick to what you know by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Someone has a mod and, unlike me, hasn't posted yet? That's about the best answer there is.

      If you have experience of 10+ years in a field that isn't, say, Visual Basic or something similar that nobody would willingly touch anymore with a 10 foot pole, cling to it. You're gold, you have 10+ years of C. It doesn't get any better than that.

      Instead of trying to reach into some other language or technology, I'd broaden my horizon and delve into other fields that you can combine with your deep C knowledge. Security is currently a big deal, and embedded C almost screams that you should take a shot at physical security and surveillance. I'd take a look into that field (if you're at all remotely interested).

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    3. Re:Stick to what you know by gr7 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      On the plus side, Embedded programmers get about twice as much as web programmers. Switch to contracting if you want more money - around $50 per hour for web developers $30 to $75 and around $100 per hour for embedded programmers ($75 to $200). I'm not an expert on rates. This is just people I've met. It's a small sample but it makes sense. Embedded C programmers with more than 3 years of experience are damn hard to find. It's a niche market.

      On the minus side, there are fewer Embedded programming jobs out there so you have to travel farther and often you can't work from home because you need to be with the hardware and often there aren't enough hardware to let you take one home. Or you need expensive debugging equipment like oscilloscopes, etc. Again I'm talking about contracting where you will have to travel to different places every time you get a new contract and they will be farther away than those web development contracts.

      I recommend you stick with embedded C and if you want to learn something, learn how to use an oscilloscope, read a schematic and study some basic electronics so that when something doesn't work you can tell the Electrical Engineer exactly what is wrong instead of just saying "it's broken". This is how you get in the upper end of the salary range.

      If you do switch to web programming then obviously you need to know: html, javascript, SQL. Those are the most basic and key things you need to understand.

  6. Web Development by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    So we wont have to put up with this horrible slashdot beta crap.

  7. Learn the backbone by taikedz · · Score: 5, Informative

    In web programming specifically? I'd say, make sure you know the fundamentals first and foremost.

    As a previous poster said, knowing the HTTP protocol well (RFC2616 - be familiar with RFCs in general) will be important (more than you'd think - a misused verb led to Google's standard webcrawlers hosing a site because said site didn't implement forms/links properly), I'd recommend also getting intimate with some of the other building blocks such as SMTP, POP, FTP, SSL, ... you get the picture. They'll come in handy when trying to piece together/troubleshoot a larger solution.

    On top of that, know the roles and differences between different server apps (app servers like JBoss/WebSphere; web servers like Apache, nginx), know at least 2 popular database engines (I personally favour MariaDB and SQLite but that's up to you; you might want to look at PostgreSQL or CouchDB for something radically different), after learning HTML and XML/DOM fundamentals, know about cookies and AJAX specifically (which are part of your HTTP knowledge, but revisit later) and a take a web security course, or at the very least read far and wide on the matter. Someone suggested focusing only on back-end - fine if that's what you want to do, but at least be aware of how things behave in theory on the front end. Again, fundamentals.

    After (all) that (a fortnight's worth of reading, not counting any experimentation?), the choice of languages to work with these building blocks is entirely up to you. Most commonly mentioned are PHP and Ruby in different setups (honourable mention to JSP), Perl and Python for CGI and general scripting, Ruby on Rails as language+framework...

    When staring out and for longevity, choose fairly popular languages that run in open source runtimes (they're durable, they're documented, there are plenty of communities), and stay nimble with frameworks - a previous ask.slashdot showed how some of them can easily get canned despite a strong user base, and frameworks are just a flavour of the year... more likely than not, someone else (project lead, customer, policy...) is going to tell you what framework to use, so just make sure you've mastered your chosen language set.

    For iOS devel you're not going to escape Objective C. Android I understand is purely Java. But most things you're likely to want to do that are web facing, you might as well do in a web page.

    And, in general, stay nimble. But you knew that, right?

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  8. HTML, CSS, JavaScript and progressive enhancement by magic+maverick+ · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you are already a programmer, or even if you're not, then there are three technologies that you should attempt to learn (or at least recognize and be able to say "yeah, OK, this makes a sorta sense"). These are HTML, CSS and JavaScript. HTML is the basis for web pages. It is what they are built upon. I suggest starting with HTML 4.01 (strict) and XHTML 1.1 (there are major differences that may not look like being major), and then moving onto HTML 5 (yet to be fully finalized). The older HTML should teach you some good habits, as should the XHTML (and while you're looking at XHTML, learn what XML is, and why XHTML exists). Then you need some style to make your pages look pretty. That means CSS. CSS is broad, and you can just learn the basics and pick up the more complicated stuff as you go along. (That basically means start with CSS 2, and learn "CSS 3" modules as and when you need them.) CSS is capable of doing a lot of stuff that previously required JavaScript.

    JavaScript is not an essential. But you should know the basics. And most importantly, you should know two things, when not to use JavaScript, and what progressive enhancement is. (Progressive enhancement might also be called graceful degradation. It's basically the same thing, in the way that Open Source Source and Free Software are basically the same thing. There are philosophical differences, but they still do mostly the same thing.)
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    And that's the web. Finished. You can go home now.

    Oh, still with me? Yes, there is still more to learn. Learn PHP. "But I heard it's awful" you cry. And it may well be. But it's also probably the most popular backend web language. It's what major and widespread software is written in. WordPress, MediaWiki, Drupal, and others are all written in PHP. But, like with JavaScript, unless you want a job, you don't need to learn more than the basics. There are great docs that can help you with almost anything.

    Similarly, learn SQL if you don't already. If you're learning PHP from scratch, use the PDO functions, then you can easily switch databases (and not be stuck on MySQL).
    Also, learn how to wrangle an Apache .htaccess file, and especially redirects.

    Next, I hear Ruby is getting a lot of press. Maybe learn some of that, and Ruby on Rails.
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    Finally, and this is more important than Ruby on Rails, make sure you don't get hung up on pages looking the same in every browser. But do learn the fuck out of how to test in different browsers, and on different devices. And test the fuck out of your pages in different browsers. If you're page isn't readable in Lynx, maybe you need to do some reconsidering.

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  9. Duh by hackertourist · · Score: 5, Funny

    Antigravity, nuclear fusion, holodeck.

  10. Expand what you already know. by GauteL · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Unless you are simply passionate about web technologies and just really want to work with it, stop trying to chase the latest and greatest here. You will find it remarkably hard to compete for the Javascript/web/whatever jobs as the 20 year old wizz-kids will have more experience than you in web-stuff but will probably need much less money.

    Instead focus on improving what you already do, and expand into new areas of the embedded sphere. All that fancy web tech will in the end use and require embedded devices. We will get many more embedded devices, rather than fewer of them. Furthermore, try to expand your embedded domain knowledge. Perhaps there are some really exciting new embedded devices (drones, wireless home management devices, etc) you'd enjoy working on as a hobbyist? Expand into other embedded languages as necessary to work on the range of devices you like (i.e. Objective-C if you want to write iOS apps). You will only really learn properly if you have something concrete you want to do anyway.

    The point is; unless you hate what you're doing, you should work on ways to make all those 15 years of embedded experience count. Chasing some Javascript web-stuff will not achieve that.

  11. Re:Universal... by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you can lie and bullshit people into thinking you know what you're doing while at the same time you can keep talking and talking 'til they believe you based on how they don't have the foggiest idea what you're talking about but can't afford to look like they don't because they think their job depends on understanding you 'cause, well, you're expensive... ...congrats, you're a consultant.

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  12. never learn anything just for the sake of learning by Tom · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Check if there's a Free Software project you're interested in, or you have a project of your own that would benefit.

    Learning is one thing, practical experience is what matters. So unless you actually use those skills, they are close to worthless. And learning and using something is a lot easier if it is linked to something that matters to you.

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  13. Re:Learn the background of languages by TapeCutter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As for C also learn a object oriented one and a functional one

    OO syntax in any Turing complete language is just syntactic sugar. If you're a half competent C programmer you will be using OO techniques in any flavour of C. Take another look at K&R, now realise that virtually every code example is also a very good OO design example.

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  14. It's not about which technology by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The question that TFA asked "Which technology should I learn" is in itself, a wrong question.

    The author should have asked him/herself "What do I want to do 10 / 20 / 30 years from now?" and then proceed from there.

    There will always be technologies - many old technologies will still be around and some new technologies will be discovered / created - and once the author knows what kind of situation he/she wants to be in the future, he/she can start picking which route to go

    Many people have chosen the wrong tech and end up in the wrong career, but at the end of the day, it's up to that person to "right the wrongs" and to make the best situation out of the mudane, for its his/her life and he/she should be the master of his/her own life

    Take me, for example. Some 40 years ago I ended up in the States and did not know what to do. At that time there wasn't much for me to chose - genetic wasn't available, laser tech wasn't mature, and many fields were closed to me, a person who is not a born American.

    So I ended up in computing. I dabbled in both hardware and software ever since.

    Would I choose computing if I got the chance to start over ? Perhaps not. But, as I have said, back in the early 70's there wasn't a lot of tech fields opened to a nerdy kid from China.

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    1. Re:It's not about which technology by TWiTfan · · Score: 4, Funny

      "What do I want to do 10 / 20 / 30 years from now?"

      I'm not sure how useful that question is. I suspect I would need something somewhat more concrete than my REAL answer, which is "Sleeping on piles of $100 bills with many beautiful women."

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    2. Re:It's not about which technology by JoeMerchant · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For the next 30 years, 2014 to 2044, you should know: basic health and hygiene, home maintenance and construction, cooking, gardening, maybe farming and animal husbandry if you are going to own some land.

      It doesn't hurt to understand finance, a little bit about the legal / political system.

      If you don't want to be held hostage every time your car breaks down, learning some mechanical skills is good too.

      Oh, yeah, and these computer things - that's a good way to earn money, use your brain in the manner of the oldest profession: become whatever people are paying for, and be ready to change and adapt as the market changes. Look back to 1984, predict from that point what skills you should have learned for 2014, the next 30 years are going to be just as volatile on the tech front, but those other skills have been valuable assets for hundreds of years (70ish for the cars), and will continue to be valuable into the future.

    3. Re:It's not about which technology by hodet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Along these lines, I once heard someone say that asking what the world needs is the wrong question. You should ask yourself what you are passionate about, then do that, because what the world needs is people with more passion.

    4. Re:It's not about which technology by pr0fessor · · Score: 4, Funny

      So your new career path is pro-athlete or rap star.

  15. My take after 20 years by BillBarnhill · · Score: 4, Informative

    Ok, most of the advice on here seems way off the mark, though some was good. Who am I to say something like that? A self-taught dev making six-figures and having worked 20 years.

    First, always be learning a new technology. Ignore the folks that said stop trying to learn new things.

    As for what to learn, there are two ways to go.

    One way is to track trends. You try to track all the trends and you're head will spin. The major trends though, as I see them, are: HTML/Javascript apps (including mobile apps), functional languages (on JVM learn Clojure, off JVM learn Haskell or Erlang), distributed and parallel computing (which are not the same, here again Erlang is good to learn, Go is another alternative, and Rust will be as well once they stop changing the syntax).

    Another way is to track the kinds of problems you want to solve. If you don't have a kind of problem you are passionate about, find one! That is a key way to differentiate yourself, market yourself, and enjoy what you do. Here though you'll need to do the research. Some popular problem areas right now are healthcare, sharing to address resource scarcity or cost (think Uber), and disaster management. A great way to get involved in these areas and learn while doing is to volunteer. You also will make a lot of great connections, learn a lot, and feel great about yourself in the process.

    To finish: always be learning something new, do something that you are passionate about, and give your time to others because you will be paid back many fold.