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Ask Slashdot: Educating Kids About Older Technologies?

ProgramErgoSum writes "Horse carriages, vinyl records, telegraphy, black and white television are all great examples of technology that held tremendous sway decades ago and eventually faded away. Other systems such as railways and telephony are 'historical,' but have advanced into the current age, too. I think not being aware of the science behind such yesteryear technologies (or their histories) is not right. I feel it would be most beneficial to encourage kids to explore old technologies and perhaps even try simple simulations at home or school. So, what websites or videos or other sources of information would you reach out to that teaches the basics of say, telegraphy? Or, signalling in railways? Etc. etc." Do you (or do you plan to) educate your kids about any particular older technologies?

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  1. Might as well teach them Latin by ohieaux · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Actually, it's not a bad idea. Many of our modern technologies have roots in these old technologies.

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    1. Re:Might as well teach them Latin by Runaway1956 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not a "bad idea", no. But - how do you choose, and how much do you teach? Horse drawn carriages, for instance. How many people realize how MANY kinds of horse drawn vehicles there were? How closely do you want to examine the suspension systems of each class of carriage? The wheels? The braking system? The harness?

      No, I'm not being facetious here. Or, not entirely, anyway. Carriages were pretty complex back in the day. Wheels broke, the tongues got damaged, harness had to be maintained full time. A significant portion of the population earned it's living by building and maintaining the various wagons, carriages, and coaches.

      Today, we take pneumatic rubber wheels for granted. How many of us could build or repair, or even properly maintain a wheel from centuries ago?

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    2. Re:Might as well teach them Latin by TarPitt · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Understanding the 19th century telegraph system helps understand our current global internet.

      I found "The Victorian Internet: The Remarkable Story of the Telegraph and the Nineteenth Century's On-Line Pioneers" a fascinating read, amazing what was done 150 years ago.

      Here is a quote from the Wikipedia article:

      The book describes to general readers how some of the uses of telegraph in commercial, military, and social communication were, in a sense, analogous to modern uses of the internet. A few rather unusual stories are related, about couples who fell in love and even married over the wires, criminals who were caught through the telegraph, and so on.

      The culture which developed between telegraph operators also had some rather unexpected affinities with the modern Internet. Both cultures made or make use of complex text coding and abbreviated language slang, both required network security experts, and both attracted criminals who used the networks to commit fraud, hack private communications, and send unwanted messages.

      We had e-commerce (code books for secure banking transaction via telegraph), hackers, and skilled technical workers with their own language and culture.

      Telegraph operators even had their own equivalent to cell-phone text message abbreviations.

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    3. Re:Might as well teach them Latin by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Interesting

      But - how do you choose, and how much do you teach?

      The best way is to let your kid choose. Kids tend to be interested in things that are relevant to their own lives. I doubt if more than 1% would be interested in "the technology of horse drawn carriages". If you try to push that kind of crap on them, you are just going to sour your relationship. You can try to nudge them in a certain direction, but mostly you should let them find their own path. Anyway, I gotta go, my 10 year old daughter is teaching herself OpenGL, and she wants to ask me some questions about matrices ...

  2. more generalized... by Connie_Lingus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    i think your asking a more basic question then you may be aware...

    i think if what your saying is "should we try to instill into our children a general interest in history so that they may come to understand the powerful forces and the geniuses that have lifted this world out of superstition, poverty, starvation, and disease?", i think most would agree.

    if what your saying is that "son/daughter, i think you should really play Pong instead of xbone for this month so you can come to understand the roots of modern video game technology", well, not so much (at least for me).

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  3. Re:The plow is technology too by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Invented in Central Asia, most of it. By proto Indo-Iranian peoples, often on territory subsumed into modern China, because of historical conquests of the Mongols.

    Sinologists always have a China first and central bias - with plenty of "evidence". They always need to distort the meaning of the term "China" to do so.

    It's like claiming that Stonehenge is a feat that demonstrates the long history of English engineering prowess.

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  4. Re:The plow is technology too by Freshly+Exhumed · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's like claiming that Stonehenge is a feat that demonstrates the long history of English engineering prowess.

    Like when they got the feet and inches mixed up and ruined the Spinal Tap concert.

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  5. Re:Unnecessary by Sique · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A big advantage of the "old" technologies is that you can get them running with household items. It's impossible to built an integrated circuit at home, but it's quite feasible to build a steam engine. I learned a lot about technology by servicing my bicycle. I had a very old typewriter which was build on a completely different principle than the usual querty keys, it had a pointer which mechanically connected to a cylinder with the letters and only one key which caused the cylinder to hammer down on the carbon ribbon and the paper. Just to see that there are many different solutions to a given problem greatly increases your understanding of technology. So yes, I think you missed out greatly. All you had was magical black boxes which somehow did what you wanted them to do.

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  6. Re:Not really necessary... by Runaway1956 · · Score: 4, Funny

    *sigh*

    Sometimes I almost hate kids. My youngest son taught himself how to solder, I guess he was about 11 at the time. Nice neat soldering work, unlike the clumps and globs that I do. "Mommy, Daddy, look what I can do!" Mommy says, "That's great son! Honey, why can't you do that?" Grrrrrr . . .

    Another twelve years later, I've gotten over that. Now, when I need something soldered, I just give it to the kid. He likes showing off, so it's kinda win-win.

    And, you should see my welding. I simply do NOT have a talent for making molten metal flow where it needs to go. Basically, I just stab the electrode where I want the filler to go, build it up as far as I can, then grind away all the ugly. Smack the finished product with a hammer, if it doesn't fall apart, I pretend that it's a good weld.

    The kid? He has almost no experience, but makes nice pretty welds that need almost no grinding.

    Did I mention that sometimes I almost hate kids?

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  7. James Burke TV series 'Connections' by canatech · · Score: 4, Informative

    Somewhat related to what your asking.
    A ten part series on how some present day tech got here.
    The shows don't delve deeply in to how it all works, but interesting none the less.
    It may spark an interest in older technology.
    Many things that were once only available in a lab I can now recreate in my garage.

  8. Basics of the physical world by Animats · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Kids should get some basics on where things come from. How steel is made. How farming works. How electricity is generated and distributed. How cars are made. Where tap water comes from, and where sewerage goes. How houses are built and what's inside the walls.

    At the micro level, they should learn basic electrical circuits, basic gears and mechanical linkages, basic hand tools up to an electric drill, and basic woodworking up to building a box or birdhouse.

    Not Z80 programming.

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