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VC Likens Google Bus Backlash To Nazi Rampage

theodp writes "Valleywag reports on legendary Silicon Valley venture capitalist Tom Perkins' WSJ op-ed on class tensions, in which the KPCB founder and former HP and News Corp. board member likens criticism of the techno-affluent and their transformation of San Francisco to one of the most horrific events in Western history. 'I would call attention to the parallels of Nazi Germany to its war on its "one percent," namely its Jews, to the progressive war on the American one percent, namely the "rich,"' Perkins writes. 'There is outraged public reaction to the Google buses carrying technology workers from the city to the peninsula high-tech companies which employ them. We have outrage over the rising real-estate prices which these "techno geeks" can pay...This is a very dangerous drift in our American thinking. Kristallnacht was unthinkable in 1930; is its descendent 'progressive' radicalism unthinkable now?"'"

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  1. Pathetic by gweihir · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People like that will use any "argument" to justify what they are doing, no matter how remote or unrelated. They will not care whether they cheapen other things that have happened. The only goal is to pull the discussion on an emotional level, because they know the facts are not on their side...

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    1. Re:Pathetic by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A better comparison would have been the French revolution. A corrupt overclass that has little regard for the suffering happening beneath them, and actively working against the common good for their own benefit. Of course, that might not have supported his point so well since those guys mostly ended up at the guillotine.

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    2. Re:Pathetic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A better comparison would have been the French revolution

      No. Just no.

      Come on people, this is not the government trying to take action against a group it doesn't like. These "bus riders" are in danger of being rounded up and put in prison, put in camps, or put to death.

      If we as a society can't deal with the fact that a company provides transportation for its employees as a perk then we are a lost cause. These "bus riders" are probably all working while in the bus. Less traffic for everyone, less stress for the employees and more productivity for the company.

      These "bus riders" are not forced to ride the bus, and are not in danger of being burned at the stake or facing a guillotine, or being shoved into ovens or gas chambers.

      Just get a fucking grip. Your hyperbole is utterly wrong and ridiculous!

    3. Re:Pathetic by Bob9113 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Specifically, how are the "technology workers" a "corrupt overclass"? Again, how come working for Google is "working against the common good"?

      I believe the poster is talking about Perkins and the other 0.01%ers, not the 10%ers that ride the Google Bus. Perkins is disingenuously attempting to draw the technology workers onto his side by calling them 1%ers, but the reality is that very few of them are, or ever will be. The misdirected attacks by the uninformed lower class against the buses are a symptom of a very real problem that Perkins and his peers are creating (I actually believe their intentions are good for the most part, but exceedingly misinformed). Perkins is hoping to get some of the members of the labor class whose wages he and his peers have been intentionally, consciously, premeditatedly suppressing to join his side in the fight as a result of the misdirected but justified anger by the poor.

    4. Re:Pathetic by jackspenn · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why does this anonymous coward get to decide what is good and what is bad for the rest of us?

      This is one part I hate about socialism and communism, these centralized economic systems allow for people (or committees of people) no smarter and often less intelligent than the common individual to make arbitrary decisions for the greater good.

      The beauty of capitalism (and why the US should work to get back to a pure capitalist society) is that each of us as individuals can decide for ourselves, vote with our money, with our goods, with our services and support things we like and ignore things we do not.

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  2. Godwin's law by maxwell+demon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe someone should have told him about Godwin's law.

    By invoking a Nazi comparison, he already lost.

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  3. That's not what Godwin's Law is about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Godwin's Law states: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1" It doesn't mean you automatically lose a debate, it just means that Hitler/Nazis will inevitably get dragged into the conversation.

  4. A short list of things that are like the Holocaust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1. The Holocaust

    I also have a list of things that are like slavery if anyone is interested.

  5. Wrong left-wing extreme by mrsam · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I do agree that the "99% versus the 1%" movement in American politics has some striking historical parallels. However, I don't think that Nazi Germany is the best comparison. A more appropriate historical equivalent would be the Bolshevik/Communist movement that culminated in the Bolshevik revolution of 1917 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolshevik_Revolution).

    The contemporary rhetoric from the left wing of America politics: i.e. "the 1%", "make the rich pay their fair share", etc... Is nearly word-for-word the same rhetoric heard on the streets of Russia, adjusted for a century's worth of elapsed history, urging the "proletariat", the working people to rally against the "bourgeoisie", i.e. the rich, and the "kulaks", the ultra-rich. Led by the Bolshevik movement, it culminated in the Bolshevik revolution of 1917. The word "Bolshevik" is directly translated as "ones belong to the majority". In other words, "the 99%". All the great unwashed I saw on the boob tube at various "Occupy " events, in the last couple of years, are the sons and daughters of the Bolsheviks a century ago. Whether they realize it, or not.

    1. Re:Wrong left-wing extreme by PvtVoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      People riding the Google Bus are not the one percent. Hell, most likely not even the top five percent

      Why the fuck anybody would have a problem with companies providing middle-class workers with traffic-reducing, environmentally friendly transport to work us utterly beyond me. But, oh please, successful people: lay off the victimhood schtick. It's silly and unbecoming.

  6. Who are you talking about? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There, fixed that for ya.

     

    People like that will use any "argument" to justify what they are doing, no matter how illogical. They will not care whether theyworked for what they have. The only goal is to pull everyone down to their level, because they know they are too lazy too succeed on their own.

    Are you talking about the Op-Ed author or the protestors?

    Everyone works hard. This myth that the top of the socio-economic pyramid is there because they worked harder than everyone else and that the poor just sit around and do nothing is just complete and utter non-sense. Well, maybe not. There are the folks who inherited their money and just collect rents and dividends and hang out on their yachts.

    I work very hard, but could I ever enter the World of this VC?

    No. Because I do not know the right people to get there.

    I have no doubt that among the protestors there are very hard working smart people that could do a better job than this guy can - any day. But they don't have the contacts and may even be considered someone who is the "wrong sort" and won't "fit in" to their "corporate culture".

    Perkins is very smart - I have no doubt - and lucky for him that he had parents who gave him great genes and the nurturing to bring out his god given talents.

    But look how he was at the right place at the right time to ride on the coat tails of Bill Hewlett and Dave Packard at the beginnings of Silicon Valley. He was lucky enough to get in at the start of the "gold rush".

    No sir. This guy had some wonderful opportunities given to him and like most successful people, delude themselves into thinking it was 100% their hard work.

  7. Re:It's called perspective by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's a shocking stat I came across just yesterday: the richest 85 PEOPLE have as much wealth as the bottom HALF the world population. That's 85 == 3.5 BILLION. citation[PDF warning]

    Almost HALF of the world's wealth is owned by one percent of the population.

    In the US, the wealthiest one percent captured 95 percent of post-financial crisis growth since 2009, while the bottom 90 percent became poorer.

    Unfortunately, I have somewhere to be, or I'd be writing a much longer epistle.

  8. Oy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Taking this a bit personally, are we?

    For one, the protestors are just going after an easy target - the employees of the companies that were using the public bus stops as their own private stops. If those protestors could, I'm sure they'd rather go after Perkins and his buddies.

    These protests are just a symptom of the anger the lower classes at the fact their real incomes and standard of living is declining while being told that they're too stupid to work in the well paying fields while people like the op-ed author are actively lobbying to bring in people overseas that are really no better than they are. (Please, I''ve personally had to train H1-Bs on what a pointer was and what memory locations are. Don't give me this BS that they are smarter or better trained than we are.)

    We have an upper class that is trying to turn our education system into a jobs training program for their exploitation. Our education system is for having an educated electorate and not about creating worker drones. Our kids should be learning reading, writing, math, science:chem,phys, biology, critical thinking skills - NOT how to be a code monkey; which is all high school level CS classes teach.

    In short, these corrupt people are trying to force THEIR training expenses onto the public while PROFITING off of the potential results.

    We DO NOT need more programmer we NEED more people who can think and communicate. And with this World getting more and more integrated, our kids need to learn foreign languages MUCH more than a computer language that will go out of style in a few years.

    1. Re:Oy by RedSteve · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What you are describing is training.

      training is not Education.

      Education makes it easier to train someone, but training is not - and should not be - the sole point of Education.

  9. What happens in the future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When you train and educate for current technology and current needs of business, they will be unqualified when things change.

    Companies' needs are for the short term. Technology, business and the markets change very quickly and if we train people to be one trick ponies they will have to be retrained again anyway.

    And we're not talking about ancient Babylonian or Greek here - we're talking about reading, writing, math, basic science and critical thinking here - as well as civics; which I think has been completely forgotten by everyone. Those are basic things and more important than the programming language du jour; which after going out of style, those people will be unemployable - even if they do retrain inanother language du jour - because they have no on the job experience and the companies will just go and hire some CHEAP new grads who were trained in the language/tech du jour.. The system is gamed to screw the people and enrich the rich even more.

    If a company needs a worker they SHOULD train that person to do the job that THEY need. TO demand that my taxes go to pay for vocational training for some high tech company that off shores their profit so that they don't have to pay taxes is a complete ripp-off.

    These companies want it all their way: the public pays for their worker training while they keep all the profits and pay little or no taxes.

    Google and the rest of Silicon Valley is actually harming our country. They are importing poor people to work for less, not paying taxes, ripping off the system, and all the while keeping the money for themselves.

  10. That's not what was said. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    And this is not similar to Kristallnacht exactly how?

    That wasn't said because you originally asked -

    I fail to see how this would be a better comparison, would you be so kind to enlighten me?

    - when the GGGP mentioned that the French revolution was a better comparison.

    See, the Jews were just that - scapegoats - and did nothing to deserve the Holocaust. The French aristocracy, OTOH, were actively harming and exploiting the peasants. In the case of the French aristocrats, they were in fact (mostly) guilty of harming the lower classes. Which is what the upper 1%érs are doing to us by lying about American's lack of skills and lack of intelligence to justify their importing of workers from very poor countries to exploit the wage differential and to put downward pressure on local wages.

    1. Re:That's not what was said. by deconfliction · · Score: 5, Interesting

      So how is your average google engineer harming and exploiting "the peasants"?

      Dear God, it's sunday and here I am on slashdot, oh why, oh why?

      Short answer is probably mainly because I've been unemployed for years since I walked out on a six figure salary and a hardwalled office in the historic Xerox-Parc after I walked out on VMWare in January of 2009. Well, we'll set asside my educational 2 months stint working at Wendy's, which truly was more rewarding in every way other than financially than working for VMWare or others.

      Why did I do that? I did it because of GITMO. Which oddly enough, I'm going to stretch to being connected with SnowdenPRISMCrash.

      I wish I could better quote 'The Matrix' and the 'any one of them can be an agent' speech from Morpheus. But the spirit of those words is my answer to your question about how the 'average googler' is harming the 'peasants'. The fact of the matter is that the 'average googler' works for a system of control. That system of control, has been using the worst kinds of violations of human rights for the last decade to deprive us peasants of the ability to secure our networked digital communications. The 'average googler' has been parroting the party line for the last 10 pre-Snowden years about how - 'you are crazy and paranoid, and there is nothing to worry about, you have no idea how profoundly smart we are here at google and how we know what is best for you. Please, avert your eyes from the man with the NSA hat in the corner fiddling with those cables and that black box he is unpacking'.

      Sweet Jesus, don't you get it? Pick your pill. Red or Blue, it's your only choice.

      Now follow me as I stumble down the bunny trail...

      * note, while the timing of my departure from the realm of the highly paid was more about GITMO, it also was at the same time VMWare was trying to convince me that a non-smart-card fingerprint authd USB stick was sufficient security for the guest tools package signing key connected to an internet connected system. Yes, they wanted me to be one of 4 people whose fingerprint had auth to the guest tools rpm packages private key material. Later I would go on to spout my crazy 'build and signing systems should be airgapped from the internet' theories to ScientificLinux. They hounded me out of the community as a loon as many other communities have as well. Now I have the Snowden revelations to keep my spirit warm at night. Not quite the same warmth as the kind of financial security and ability to build and support and protect a family that the 'average googler' has, but it ain't nothin. Thanks God.