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Google Buys UK AI Startup Deep Mind

TechCrunch reports that Google has acquired London-based artificial intelligence firm Deep Mind. TechCrunch notes that the purchase price, as reported by The Information, was somewhere north of $500 million, while a report at PC World puts the purchase price lower, at mere $400 million. Whatever the price, the acquisition means that Google has beaten out Facebook, which reportedly was also interested in Deep Mind. Exactly what the startup will bring to Google isn't clear, though it seems to fit well with the emphasis on AI that the company underscored with its hiring of futurist Ray Kurzweil: "DeepMind's site currently only has a landing page, which says that it is 'a cutting edge artificial intelligence company' to build general-purpose learning algorithms for simulations, e-commerce, and games. As of December, the startup had about 75 employees, reports The Information. In 2012, Carnegie Mellon professor Larry Wasserman wrote that the 'startup is trying to build a system that thinks. This was the original dream of AI. As Shane [Legg] explained to me, there has been huge progress in both neuroscience and ML and their goal is to bring these things together. I thought it sounded crazy until he told me the list of famous billionaires who have invested in the company.'"

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  1. Deep Thought... by MindPrison · · Score: 3, Funny
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  2. Oh Yeah, Well by Greyfox · · Score: 3, Funny
    I think we all know how THIS turns out.

    If anyone needs me, I'll be in my underground bunker.

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  3. Voice assistant by Powercntrl · · Score: 5, Funny

    Since Google still seems to believe Glass has potential to be the "next big thing" and it's entirely voice controlled, it makes sense that they'd want a voice assistant that can respond more intelligently than "I don't have a clue what you're talking about, should I search the web?" Maybe this company's AI would be adaptable to something along those lines?

    Personally, I'm not a big fan of talking to machines. Yeah, it looks awesome in sci-fi, but in real life it just makes you look like a hipster douchebag when you're out in public talking to the little robotic voice inside your mobile device.

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    1. Re:Voice assistant by codeButcher · · Score: 4, Funny

      it just makes you look like a hipster douchebag when you're out in public talking to the little robotic voice inside your mobile device.

      Who are you calling a douche? I'm actually talking to the little robotic voice in my head, the mobile device is just there for camouflage.

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    2. Re:Voice assistant by Warbothong · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Since Google still seems to believe Glass has potential to be the "next big thing" and it's entirely voice controlled, it makes sense that they'd want a voice assistant that can respond more intelligently than "I don't have a clue what you're talking about, should I search the web?" Maybe this company's AI would be adaptable to something along those lines?

      Personally, I'm not a big fan of talking to machines. Yeah, it looks awesome in sci-fi, but in real life it just makes you look like a hipster douchebag when you're out in public talking to the little robotic voice inside your mobile device.

      I still find it amusing that command lines are seen as the least intuitive interface and voice control is seen as the second-most intuitive (after mind-controlled), even though voice control is just a command line over a noisy, ambiguous channel, where you can't even see the commands you're inputting.

    3. Re:Voice assistant by Charliemopps · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No they weren't. Cellphones were cool from the start. At least, around here anyway. Everyone wanted one. The problem with glass is the same with bluetooth headsets. People ware them even when they're not using them... which makes you look like a douche. Once Google has these embedded in regular glasses this will stop being an issue.

    4. Re:Voice assistant by Warbothong · · Score: 4, Informative

      The kind of voice control Google is after (as in "the second-most intuitive interface") is hardly the same as the kind of voice control that is available today. The first would be able to interpret your intent as well as a human could, possibly better (filtering out noise, asking to clarify ambiguities rather than making assumptions). And it's nothing like the command line, which does no interpreting, refining or clarification at all; it just executes a limited set of commands exactly as entered, with no room for so much as a misplaced comma.

      It's exactly like a commandline, which have been attempting to interpret their input for decades (most famously with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D... ).

      The two reasons modern commandlines don't do this are 1) lack of effort and 2) that it's often a very bad thing. According to http://www.nhplace.com/kent/Pa... one of the motivating factors for defining Common LISP was to stop DARPA from rolling out INTERLISP, and therefore DWIM, across all their projects.

      As for clarification, I run into this all the time when typing non-existant commands (thanks to the "command not found" program) or using undefined variables (thanks to GHC).

    5. Re:Voice assistant by Warbothong · · Score: 2

      Where are the general-purpose natural language command languages and parsers?

      They're sat in the middle of whatever voice-command pipeline you're imagining, between the speech-recognition layer and the voice synthesiser. The advantage of the CLI is that you don't need to recognise speech or synthesise a voice.

  4. Money can't buy you intelligence by narcc · · Score: 2

    I thought it sounded crazy until he told me the list of famous billionaires who have invested in the company.

    I'd like a copy of that list. It'll be like mining for gold in Fort Knox.

  5. Billionaires by umdesch4 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "I thought it sounded crazy until he told me the list of famous billionaires who have invested in the company." "Then I realized it was actually a money laundering scheme."

    1. Re:Billionaires by DarkOx · · Score: 2

      Right those guys are good at exactly one thing for the most part, buzzword BINGO. They get in before the institutional folks do, and get out as they in turn enter. Those guys are good at following the billionaire "smart money" and knowing how to get at as the second tier and retail folks buy in. Then the music stops

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  6. Re:Google pushing fantasy of AI by Boronx · · Score: 2

    I used to think that all the hillbillies fearing on the census takers were nuts until I found out that Sherman used the census to plan his march through Georgia almost a year before he did it.

  7. Re:No matter which "Deep Thought" ... by Luckyo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As Snowden already hinted, it's highly likely that NSA and large US companies actually exist in symbiotic relationship in reality, in spite of all the angry public outbursts. NSA likely shares the intelligence data on things like business secrets with US companies, especially when competition is involved.

  8. Re:No matter which "Deep Thought" ... by dbIII · · Score: 4, Informative

    Likely? Boeing were taken to court for it (Boeing vs Airbus ~2000) so it's been proved in reality.

  9. Re:strong AI is pointless by Maritz · · Score: 3

    If we create an intelligent system from scratch, we get to decide its preferences. There's no a-priori reason to conclude that it will thirst for power, our hunger for power comes from our social mammalian heritage. If on the other hand, we just build an artificial version of human intelligence e.g. by mimicking the brain, then yeah I expect this could be an issue and there could be ethical implications.

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  10. Legg by Warbothong · · Score: 5, Informative

    Shane Legg's research is pretty cool, since it deals with very sci-fi-like problems in a pretty rigorous way. For example, his PhD dissertation "Machine Superintelligence" approaches intelligence in a non-anthropocentric way, from the perspective of computability http://www.vetta.org/documents...

    More recently he's tried to define an IQ-like metric for comparing different AI projects and measure progress in the field http://www.vetta.org/2011/11/a...

    1. Re:Legg by gweihir · · Score: 2

      His thesis looks more like an elaborate Survey-Paper that only marginally adds to the existing research. (May still be enough for a PhD, I am not criticizing that, adding "marginally" to complex theory is an accomplishment and worthwhile doing.) Certainly no break-through in there.

      I also found it badly structured. For example, at my institution, a chapter "contributions of this thesis" is mandatory for acceptance.

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  11. smart move by StripedCow · · Score: 2

    If Deep Mind really has the knowledge and capability to form strong AI, then this is a smart move.
    Deep Mind could have become the next Google.

    However, I find it unacceptable that big mega-corps just go out and buy companies with talent.
    Just imagine what the world would have looked like when Microsoft had bought Google when it was in its infancy...

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  12. Re:strong AI is pointless by Maritz · · Score: 2

    It's tempting to anthropomorphise strong AI. But if we get to dictate all of its preferences then we get to decide what it wants. Changes in goal do not count as improvements in intelligence. If we decide that it doesn't want independence from humans, then it doesn't. Whether that makes it naive or 'stupid' from a human perspective is irrelevant.

    What would indeed be stupid is creating an AI with a drive to dominate and then attempt to stop it from doing so, especially if it deals with information in a qualitatively different way to humans or if it can recursively improve itself. That's the 'skynet' scenario.

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  13. "Famous billionaires" as scientific justification? by gweihir · · Score: 2

    WTF? I mean, seriously, these people have zero qualifications and are know to invest in things they have not researched. I predict this is just a colossal waste of money as they cannot succeed at this time. There is not even any credible theory how true AI could be implemented, nobody can promise they have a real chance of doing it at this time without either lying through their teeth or being grossly incompetent.

    Incidentally, Ray Kurzweil is an incompetent hack. Google did itself no favor by hiring him. This person has grand visions but zero understanding of actual reality.

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