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Anti-Polygraph Instructor Who Was Targeted By Feds Goes Public

George Maschke writes "Last year, the McClatchy newspaper group reported on a federal criminal investigation into individuals offering instruction on how to pass polygraph tests. The ongoing investigation, dubbed 'Operation Lie Busters,' has serious free speech implications, and one of the two men known to have been targeted is presently serving an 8-month prison term. The other, Doug Williams, himself a former police polygrapher, has this week for the first time gone public with the story of federal agents' February 2013 raid on his office and home (video). Williams, who has not been charged with a crime but remains in legal jeopardy, is selling his story in an e-book. Public interest website AntiPolygraph.org (which I co-founded) has published a synopsis."

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  1. First rule of passing a Lie Detector test by jennatalia · · Score: 5, Funny

    Don't talk about passing a lie detector test.

  2. Total Obedience is Required ! by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Don't ask me no questions and I won't tell you no lies."

    I am afraid to the government of United Police State of America this is no longer enough.

    What is going on in the supposedly Western Democracy nowadays is that it is marching towards fascism. From the United States to France to England to many more lapdog countries, fascist tendency of the various governmental entities have arisen.

    Used to be that one is innocent until found guilty, but no longer.

    These days, we are all guilty, no matter if we have done everything. We are so guilty that they can charge us with _anything_ they like.

    In other words, the difference between Russia/China and the Western Democracy is shrinking, and shrinking fast.

    But at the very least, China and Russia never pretend to be "democratic".

    --
    Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
    1. Re:Total Obedience is Required ! by kilfarsnar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      how is this paranoid bullshit "insightful?"

      "marching towards fascism?"

      really?

      this get marked as +5?

      taco cowboy, that fucking moron, is completely ignorant of history. what about the house un american activities committee? the alien and sedition acts? the espionage act of 1917?

      every fucking generation thinks that they invented crises and history. yes, these events agianst he lie detector crusaders are important. yes, we should always be vigilant to protect our rights. but no, the usa is not "marching towards fasism" in any sense more meaningful than "I am marching towards china" when i walk eastward to the store.

      fuck you, taco cowboy, and fuck the historically clueless goth alarmists who marked you up.

      I'm sorry, who the fuck are you, again? If you are over 40 and don't see the direction this country has taken over the last 15 years or so, I don't know what to tell you. Yes, we had a House Un-American Activities Committee. Now we have a Department of Homeland Security with nebulous jurisdiction and authority. And we call our country the "Homeland". We never did that before 2001. We have militarized police and "enemy combatant" status. We have the NSA looking at all of our communication.

      Like I said, if you are over 40 or so, you should be able to see the change. This is not the same country we grew up in.

      --
      "What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
  3. Divided Opinions by CopaceticOpus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Critics of this federal investigation have claimed that it has the potential to trample free speech, create an atmosphere of fear, and could lead to the wrongful imprisonment of those that the government deems troublemakers.

    However, unnamed sources within the government have taken a more positive outlook, stating that this investigation has the potential to trample free speech, create an atmosphere of fear, and could lead to the wrongful imprisonment of those that they deem troublemakers.

  4. Bin Laden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One of Bin Laden's goals was to turn the US into an oppressive country like the ones in the Arab World,

    Even after stating the goal, here we are going that way. It's amazing how easily people can be manipulated.

  5. Polygraphs are bullshit. by jcr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's a reason they're not admissible in court.

    -jcr

    --
    The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
  6. Re:Passing is easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Easy methods to defeat lie detectors do not even require body/mind training so that you can present a "truthful" facade to the machine. One trick is to make all your responses correspond to extreme and erratic indicators of "lying," completely throwing off the baseline "normal." You clench internal muscles even when you're answering the "easy" initial calibration questions. This way, you don't even have to worry about maintaining perfect calm mind/body control when they spring an unexpected twist on you; go ahead and freak out, but the machine's readings will already be all over the place.

  7. You're of course assuming... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That he wasn't working for the 'family business' all along, and that Bush's family hadn't been colluding with bin Laden's in order to bring exactly this about.

    With the WTC knocked down 3/5 of the tallest skyscrapers in the world are now Muslim, at least 1 of them was build by bin Laden construction firms, and between 'preferential access to oil' and Halliburton's recent relocation to Dubai, the whole situation begins seeming overly suspect. Nevermind the fact that 9/11 happened just in time to keep Bush from getting impeached (does anybody remember what his approval rating were looking like pre-9/11? Clinton had a high approval rating AFTER lying to congress about getting his dick sucked and spooging all over an intern's dress.)

    Combined with the fact that the majority of the terrorists were Saudis and none of them were Iraqi (were any Afghan?), it begs the question of why exactly our targets were chosen as such if not due to conspiracy.

    1. Re:You're of course assuming... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Iraq was in the neocon's crosshairs well before 9/11. See PNAC, which published manifestos to the effect that "if only there was some kind of crisis we could exploit to further the American hegemony, by force if need be". Signatories include folks like Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Armitage, and so on.

      Then 9/11 happened, with no Iraqi connection whatsoever, the manifestos were unpublished and lo and behold, the US administration -- now composed of pretty much the same people -- conned their country and the UN to start (another) illegal war. People were hanged for this kind of thing in the past.

      Please notice I am not arguing these people were somehow behind the attack, as some seem to think, or allowed it to happen despite intelligence that something was afoot.

      You might also like to read up on Carlyle Group which had a meeting on the morning of 9/11 which included folks like Bush Sr, James Baker, and apparently a member of the Bin Laden clan.

  8. The power that be has no shame ! by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They're only worse in that there is no shame in what they do, but otherwise we are the worse ones. By building an illusion of "land of the free". But then again at least we have shame in that.

    Tell you a secret ...
     
    We, the people, at least _some_ of us, are feeling shameful of the situation our country is marching towards.

    However, those who rule us, the ones in the Washington D.C. and _their_,/i> masters, not only do not feel any shame whatsoever, they actually are feeling so damn proud of their so-called accomplishment !

    Amongst the hundreds of Senators and Congressmen/women, how many of them actually feel that they have wronged the country, by voting in all these draconian laws, and by allowing the White House (no matter who's the POTUS), the NSA (and all the spooks) to violate the Constitution the way they have ?

    When I wrote to my representatives (state and federal) exclaiming my exasperation of what is happening in America and to the Americans, do you know what they told me ?

    The same old "We are doing that to fight terrorist" bullshit !

    --
    Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
  9. You may be surprised to know who's the REAL BOSS by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Do you know who financed the invasion of Iraq ?

    The Saudis.

    Yes, our boys and girls who serve in the Army, Navy, Marine and Air Force of the United States of America, went to fight a war in Iraq, because the Saudis are paying for it.

    In other words, our military became a mercenary force, at least in the Desert Shied / Desert Storm era.

    --
    Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
  10. You've brought up a very interesting point ! by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In stead, let's compare with the US of, say, three decades ago -- when there were still two superpowers and the US had to at least pretend to be the good guys, to maintain support of its allies and at least some good will on the part of the non-aligned bloc.

    I arrived at USA some thirty-odd years ago. At that time, for me at least, USA was a country where liberty of the citizens were respected.

    If what you said is true... that is, USA did all that to gain support from its allies and to portray to the world that USA is the "Good Guy", then what about now ?

    Does it mean that USA no longer has to pretend to be that "Good Guy" anymore ? That it can start wantonly violating the liberty of anybody it wants ?

    If that turns out to be true, then USA no longer has the authority to criticize _anybody_else_ regarding human rights, regarding liberty, regarding democracy, regarding so many things that USA used to stand for.

    Can you comprehend what kind of world we are living in now ?

    I ran away from China precisely because they did not (and still do not) respect the liberty of the citizen. If ever USA becomes a place just like China, I do not know where else people can aspire to be, if they were to run away from tyranny !

    --
    Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !