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Google Poised To Settle EU Anti-Trust Probe
Rambo Tribble writes "Reuters is reporting that concessions by the Internet giant have paved the way for a resolution to the long-standing European Union investigation into Google's alleged anti-competitive practices. From the article: 'A settlement with the European Union's regulator would mean that Google, the world's biggest internet search engine, would escape a possible fine of as much as $5 billion or 10 percent of its 2012 revenue. Such an outcome would mirror the company's success in the United States last year where it received only a mild reprimand from the Federal Trade Commission, which said Google had not manipulated its website results following a 19-month investigation.'"
Clearly Google should get into a less risky business, like laundering money for drug cartels, if they are facing potential penalties of that magnitude...
I wonder what that Yahoo boss thinks of Google, now that she's out of there.
One thing I can guarantee: This [settlement] won't be enough for Microsoft and its ilk.
The EU should increase funding of research into open search technologies.
It is unacceptable that the world's searching and data-mining technology is for the better part originating from one country.
(Yes, this means more projects like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q...)
I'm still waiting for a P2P search engine that is efficient, secure, and returns useful results.
If Pandora's box is destined to be opened, *I* want to be the one to open it.
If Google, Microsoft etc choose to do business in the EU they'll have to follow the laws there. As you say, they can pull out. But as long as they choose to stay they'll have to live with the laws there or face penalties if they break them. It applies equally to all companies doing business there, domestic and foreign. The list of European companies brought up on anti-competiive charges is quite long, it just doesn't get quite as much international attention.
Well, if the "there" is willing to attempt to take 10% of their gross receipts away from them, I'd say that they would probably abandon the "Land of the Pirates" and come back home and make some money.
As for sharing data with the gov't, you speak of it as if they had a choice... Hint: The choice is an illusion when you're dealing with something as powerful as the US Gov't. Yeah, we need to make the gov't smaller - at least the GOP / right wing of the gov't knows that. Talk to our leftists / communists that want to make the gov't big enough to rule the world.
Doesn't help my mood on this even a little bit that the Euros perform piracy against their own big "bad" businessmen, either. Gov'ts should be _helping_ industries, not persecuting them. And we wonder what the huge unemployment rates are all about? I don't wonder at all, I expect it with behavior such as this from the gov't buccaneers.
Companies, large and small, regularly engage in behavior meant to keep the competition at bay.
The most successful are not the altruistic ones.
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The US Gov't, under leftist administration in the 90's, persecuted Microsoft for providing too much functionality in Windows, if you can believe it. They integrated Internet Explorer into the operating system, and that was somehow unfair to the competition. Boo-hoo... build a better browser and they will come, as has happened with Chrome and some others. Its not like the OS prohibited the installation of another browser, it just provided a free one. That was nonsense. I don't think I need to look at the particulars of this exercise in torturing the big "bad" businessmen to be able to simply assume it is BS. If it was really harmful, I'd think I'd be hearing a lot of complaints from people. I don't know anyone that complains about Google. They complain about Bing, which has been caught simply sending their search requests to Google, and then repackaging them with the Bing interface. But not Google. Google is just where the money is for these pirate gov'ts.
Nice revisionist history buddy.. The problem was not that integrated it into the OS, but that they did so without allowing others to hook into those same hooks, and refused to let us, the consumers remove it. There were other FASTER browsers at the time, but you cannot compete with a monopoly who has hooked their stuff into their system. People WERE complaining, it was not like they just woke up one day and said "hmm I think I wanna target MS today for anticompetitive action"
When you cant win, ad hominem.
Yes let the businesses do whatever they want, kill people, but dont ever punish them!!!
When you cant win, ad hominem.
Again no, it was not. IE was targeted because they took one artifical monopoly and used it to gain leverage in another market creating an even more artificial monopoly. The competition had better browsers on their own, but could not hook into the OS because MS would not allow it to allow them a lead. That is anticompetitive behavior.
When you cant win, ad hominem.
Gov'ts should be _helping_ industries, not persecuting them.
In the case of antitrust it is a conflict of interest between a business and the people.
I think you are completely wrong, the government should side with the people before it sides with corporate interests.
In the case where it is a conflict between a foreign company and a local company the government should first see to what is best for its local people. Do the people and the foreign company have common interests, otherwise, side with the local company.
Just because governments have a tendency to do it the other way around doesn't mean that we shouldn't appreciate when they do what is best for their people.
My point was that he made an overly broad statement that businesses should always be helped and never punished for what they did, sarcasm is apparently dead..
When you cant win, ad hominem.
I don't think you understand any of the cases and accusations involved. The issue is not that someone dominated the market with a better product; the issue is that someone dominates the market with one superior product (Search, Windows) and then uses that dominant position to ensure the success of a whole bunch of inferior products, or simply the products their partners want to sell, thereby harming customers.
No kidding!!! What do you say at this point?
How can you "build a better browser and they will come" when reliance on Internet Explorer is built into the operating system itself? I mean, Microsoft actually argued - this was their own defense! - that it was so fundamental to the operating system that you simply could not replace it with someone else' browser.
No kidding!!! What do you say at this point?
Why do you need to replace it? You can just install another browser? How many people uninstall IE even now?
but could not hook into the OS because MS would not allow it to allow them a lead.
If you by "hook into the OS" mean anything technical, that is not what the EU case against Microsoft on IE was about at all. It was about Microsoft having an unfair advantage in the browser market because they could bundle their browser with their market dominating operating system, and the competitors couldn't.
It was only about the OS as a distribution channel competitors didn't have access to, not any form of technical integration advantage or the IE was "deeply integrated into the core of the OS" myth (btw. on modern Windows exactly similar to Safari/WebKit in OSX). This is also why the browser ballot that forced Microsoft to offer competitors browsers as an option at install was the EU solution. They made no changes to Windows or IE or changed the way any browser behave on Windows, they just gave them distribution, as that was the complaint to begin with.
He was speaking of the US cases, not the EU.
When you cant win, ad hominem.
Exactly so. A browser is just another program, and XP would allow the installation of another browser just fine.
Meanwhile, my own gov't was attempting to diminish my computing experience by having to either install IE manually, or some other browser manually, rather than having it just appear after the OS is installed. IOW, its tougher on _ME_ as a customer just to fix a non-problem, when other browser-makers could just have their stuff loaded manually on top of IE. Both IE and their browser would work. But no, the Gov't was after the honey-pot of a big fine over a triviality. That's what the Euros are likely up to, as well. And other makers are complaining? Sure they are, when they can get the gov't to "take down" their competition so that they can prevail in the market instead, sure they're going to dream up something to bitch about.
Like I said, I'm tired of it. Google / Microsoft / Etc. should just leave...
How can the gov't be siding with the people when, again as in the Microsoft IE browser case, the company was giving me a FREE browser if I bought their OS? I mean, it was FREE! The gov't that tries to muck with that is NOT doing _ME_ any favors, its acting on some other company's behalf, quite possibly to my detriment depending on whether it turned out that Microsoft might have been forced to charge, say, $24.99 for their browser just to make things equal. Didn't turn out that way, but why screw with the giving away of something? Again, I say it doesn't work in MY interest.
okay you obviously have a few of the facts a bit twisted
1 the MSIE exe was made part of the Windows Explorer exe in later versions of Windows
2 MS actively paid different sites to include MSIE only content and to NOT support anything not MSIE
3 MS used unpublished apis to ensure that anything not MSIE would not be able to do some of the stuff MSIE could
4 they deliberately withheld copies of WINDOWS from OEMs that did not sign contracts barring them from bundling any other browser .
the exact details can be found on Groklaw
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Also IE was more than just a rendering engine, it allowed them to integrate an whole host of features from network sharing to file exploration.
When you cant win, ad hominem.