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Rome Police Use Twitter To Battle Illegal Parking

cartechboy writes "Illegal parking has always been a major problem in Rome. More than half of Rome's 2.7 million residents use private vehicles, and the ancient city has a staggering ratio of 70 cars per 100 residents. So many residents park, uh, creatively. But now authorities think they've found a way to fight bad parking using social media. Basically, they've asked residents to post photos of bad parking jobs to Twitter. In December, the Italian cops began encouraging smart phone users to snap pics of illegally parked cars and tweet those photos to the department's Twitter account. The new system, which was created by Raffaele Clemente, Rome's chief of traffic police, seems to be working. In the first 30 days, police received more than 1,000 complaints tweeted to their account; (one example is here). Officials were able to respond to around 740 and hand out citations."

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  1. Yea... Good Luck With That. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hey, 'your car is being towed' is trending!

    #StupidShitPeopleThinkIsSmart #FAIL

    1. Re:Yea... Good Luck With That. by davester666 · · Score: 2

      now it will be a competition. get a picture of your car posted, parked in the most outrageous position possible.

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    2. Re:Yea... Good Luck With That. by N1AK · · Score: 2

      Indeed. Classic case of treating the symptom rather than the cause.

      That rather depends on where you define symptom and cause, sometimes the only practical action that can be taken is to address something part way down the chain. Is the 'cause' that everyone isn't able to walk to everything they need? Or would you say the cause was just that there isn't enough parking?

      In this case, even if we take "there isn't enough parking" as the cause this may well still address it. Perhaps the cost of converting land into more parking etc is too high to justify when people can get away with poor parking. As it becomes more costly to park poorly the amount people will be willing to pay to use proper parking will increase and more parking spaces will be built. I'm not saying it will work like this but it's hardly an unlikely chain of events.

  2. Town planning - lack of. by FriendlyLurker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What irks me is the lack of town planning for cars in European cities then the incompetent authorities act like it is all the citizens fault. I get that they have ancient medieval town centers that are almost impossible to modify - but that is no excuse for not providing adequate amounts of free to almost free just out-of-town parking and efficient cheap public transport into the centers (efficient does not mean it has to be profitable in the direct sense).

    Singapore for example with so little space has pioneered high rise cheap parking for all out in the suburbs and electronic pay to enter town centers that really increased the quality of life in the inner city, or so I hear.

    Don't get me started on the last century traffic lights on timers and no trigger sensors of any kind in sight even at the pedestrian crossings. Christmas lights I like to call them. The amount of petrol they must waste stopping scores of cars for no reason must be mind-boggling.

    /rant off.

    1. Re:Town planning - lack of. by Sique · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What irks me is the lack of town planning for cars in European cities then the incompetent authorities act like it is all the citizens fault.

      First, those towns were planned when there were no cars at all. Second, some towns tried to restructure itself into a more car friendly town, and the result was a less human friendly town. For some reasons, the most searched for towns are those with a horrible parking situation. So blame who you want, towns with a not adequate parking situation fare better in general, because they seem to get the general idea how to operate a town, and one aspect seems to not concentrate on cars too much.

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    2. Re:Town planning - lack of. by godrik · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Whie I entirely aggree with you that the main problem comes from the city lacking the proper parking spaces, that makes it no excuse to park like a complete douche.

    3. Re:Town planning - lack of. by jwdb · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What irks me is the lack of town planning for cars in European cities then the incompetent authorities act like it is all the citizens fault. I get that they have ancient medieval town centers that are almost impossible to modify - but that is no excuse for not providing adequate amounts of free to almost free just out-of-town parking and efficient cheap public transport into the centers (efficient does not mean it has to be profitable in the direct sense).

      You're not looking hard enough. Most of the major cities I've driven to in the EU (Belgium and the Netherlands, primarily, over five years) had significant parking on the outskirts of town (never free, land costs money) near the end of the city metro lines. Drop the car there, take the tram, and enjoy a city built at a human scale. Or even better, take the train right into downtown.

      I've moved back to the US recently, and I dearly miss those compact cities. I'm in a small city in Georgia now and it's disgusting how much prime downtown space is wasted on empty parking lots. I'd much rather have no parking at all rather than too much, as then you can at least walk or bike.

      Don't get me started on the last century traffic lights on timers and no trigger sensors of any kind in sight even at the pedestrian crossings.

      Traffic lights is a different matter, and apparently depends on your driving style. I never had a problem flowing through light after light back home, but here I'm constantly being stopped. I'm sure I'll eventually get used to the timing here, as you would over there.

    4. Re:Town planning - lack of. by jfdavis668 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You do realize that most European cities existed for hundreds or even thousands of years before cars were invented?

    5. Re:Town planning - lack of. by ciotog · · Score: 2

      Don't get me started on the last century traffic lights on timers and no trigger sensors of any kind in sight even at the pedestrian crossings. Christmas lights I like to call them. The amount of petrol they must waste stopping scores of cars for no reason must be mind-boggling.

      If they make driving too convenient, then people will drive more often and farther away, which would consume even more petrol than idling at a traffic light occasionally.

    6. Re:Town planning - lack of. by cheesybagel · · Score: 4, Informative

      You keep thinking like this is the US where literally no one lives in the center which is composed of office spaces. This is not the case in European cities. Many people live in the center and quite often their building has no parking space at all. Because it was built in the XIXth century or whatever when people did not need such things. And the streets are often narrow because horses needed less space to move around.

    7. Re:Town planning - lack of. by HiThere · · Score: 2

      ??? If you don't have the lights timed, then you can't design to allow flow. It just doesn't work. Even with timed lights it's quite difficult to have good flow in two different directions. (You *can* do it if you'ver very careful about the timing...or if you allow the flow to be broken around every 10 blocks...and only have about one street out of 10 timed for flow.) Note that even so if you want flow in two orthogonal directions, you may need to be very careful with the speeds that you allow to flow.

      But you can't allow lights to change at other than the specified times. I suppose you could decide to skip an entire cycle, but that usually wouldn't speed up the traffic flow. Somewhere along the route someone would be on a cross street, and their light would change...which would mean that the street that they crossed would change out of sequence with the other lights, and .... it's just a bad idea.

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    8. Re:Town planning - lack of. by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      First the government screw up the cities

      Well, seeing as this is London, and was "planned" over hundreds of years, I don't think that criticism works as well as you think.

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    9. Re:Town planning - lack of. by FriendlyLurker · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No I have lived in the center of my fare share of European cities. All your points are correct and also the reason why you can't park there. My point is: Not only is there nowhere to park in the center, there is nowhere to park out of the center, either. i.e. lack of town planning.

    10. Re:Town planning - lack of. by FriendlyLurker · · Score: 2

      Yes, I know. Read my second sentence.

    11. Re:Town planning - lack of. by Trepidity · · Score: 2

      One solution, which Copenhagen has adopted, is to reduce how necessary it is to park anywhere at all. If you live in the center, of course you have no need for a car: you can bike, bus, walk, or metro anywhere you need to go. If you live out of the center, you also have no need for a car, because you can bike, bus, or walk to the nearest S-train stop, which by design will not be far away, and take that right into the city.

      As a result of that, plus high taxes on car ownership to further disincentivize it, Copenhagen has 20 cars per 100 residents, less than 1/3 the ratio that Rome suffers.

    12. Re:Town planning - lack of. by zsau · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The European design wastes a lot less petrol than the American design, because you can get around and do a lot without even getting into the car. It is a local inefficiency as a trade-off for a higher-level efficiency. In America, you want to buy milk? You have to move a ton of steel around at homicidal speeds. In Europe, you want to buy milk? You walk for the same amount of time—or less—and you buy it from the shops.

      "Town planning fail" happens when you think that the car is an important and necessary part of modern life. It's not. It's useful that some people have cars; but to think it should be convenient for everyone to drive most of the time is foolishness.

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  3. Re:Privacy Risks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Since when is a license plate private? It's as public as the number on your house, and Google Street already put those online.

  4. Re:Privacy Risks by megabeck42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    At risk of being put online? Don't people risk exposing their license plates every time they back out of the garage?

    I think the real concern is, "This just puts millions of illegally parking individuals at risk of being publicly shamed."

    The best protection for any one concerned their license plate may end up online seems pretty simple and obvious: think ahead, be considerate, and don't park like an asshole.

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  5. Number of citations by worf_mo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    To put those numbers into perspective: In 2011, 2.5 million traffic citations were filed in Rome, about 45% of those have been paid. In 2012 the number of citations dropped to 2.2 million of which 39% have been paid. (source)

    1. Re:Number of citations by Virtucon · · Score: 2

      Because they ticket you for any nuisance thing you can do. It's impossible to drive in Rome or anywhere in Italy and not get a ticket for something. It's a revenue stream because nobody is going to argue against it. Why? We all know how good the Italian Justice system is, right? You'd have a better chance arguing your case in the Coliseum in front of a pride of hungry lions.

      When driving in Rome the old saying "When in Rome, do as the Romans do." applies otherwise you'll get into an accident but then again, you'll probably get into an accident anyway. True Story: When leaving from vacation in Rome and heading to the airport in a hired car, our driver in his Mercedes did a quick lane change and turned left, cutting a car off. We felt a thud and simultaneous crash of glass, the driver shrugged, looked in his mirror and kept driving us to the airport.

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  6. Re:Privacy Risks by rollingcalf · · Score: 4, Informative

    A picture is often more useful than a verbal complaint when the police are evaluating whether a given parking situation actually is a violation, and the exact location where it occurred.

    And for citizens armed with a cellphone camera and Twitter, it's faster for them to post a pic than to sit on the non-emergency line for several minutes, first on hold for 5 minutes, then some more minutes to describe the vehicle and the location.

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  7. Re:Wrong ration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ancient city has a staggering ratio of 70 cars per 100 residents

    I don't find that staggering. What I do find staggering is that the seems to be a ratio of about 70 cars per every parking space. Rome is a place where triple parking is pretty much routine.

    Rome has enormous public transportation problems for 2 main reasons :

    - one is that its surface public bus fleet is seriously small for a city that in extension is second to London.
    - building a subway network is very difficult not for engineering problems but for historical problems. The Law makes it impossible to continue an engineering project should you end up coming into contact with ancient Roman ruins. And digging in Rome is a guarantee that you'll end up upon some ancient Roman ruins. So each time you want to build a garage, a new subway station it is a roll of dice. And when the works stops you can't destroy the ruins to continue the engineering project, you are not allow to move the ruins etc... So it all ends un in a standstill for years or decades to come. This is one aspect where fanatical respect for historical ruins is seriously harming any evolution of Rome as a city. Sometimes you need to let go of ancient things to build for the present. And that's not the case in Italy. The past takes precedence over the present. And so you end up in these absurd situations where Roman ruins end up having more "rights" than modern roman citizens do. With the consequence that living in Rome is hell. I can guarentee that no Roman likes living in Rome. Tourists yeah but they only stay 1-2 weeks. Day to day life in Rome is hell. Think Atlanta snow congested caos every single day of the year. It would drive crazy anybody.

  8. The solution is obvious by xenobyte · · Score: 2

    Just open up for private companies to tow illegally parked cars and make money (huge fees) from the towing and storage of the vehicles. With hundreds of such companies hunting for illegally parked cars and thus money, the streets will be clear in no time, and all the parking assholes will have learned an expensive lesson. To prevent abuse all towing must be documented using photos showing the parking offense, a copy of which are sent to the offender.

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  9. Re:Privacy Risks by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why not just use the non-emergency number that most police agencies have to report a parking infraction?

    Because this provides photographic proof of the bad parking before they send out a meter maid.

    This just puts millions of license plates at risk of being put online for the purpose of reporting a person's supposedly bad parking.

    Never quite understood this whole 'privacy of license plates' thing. If I look out the window right now I can see a dozen+ license plates. If I went for a walk I'd see hundreds. How is it private if there are two of them on every car for everyone to see?

  10. Re:Wrong ration by jfdavis668 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Rome existed for thousands of years before the car was invented. Sorry that they didn't think of savings space for car parks during the bronze age.

  11. Government getting money != working by arvindsg · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The new system, which was created by Raffaele Clemente, Rome's chief of traffic police, seems to be working.

    I would argue if it were working then they wouldn't be getting many such tweets. Perfaps you forget aim is not to give more itations but fewer illegal parkings. All we can say is it might work.

  12. Re:Privacy Risks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    America is litigation land, and they just don't want the hassle of any frivolous lawsuits.

  13. Re:Privacy Risks by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 2

    Never quite understood this whole 'privacy of license plates' thing. If I look out the window right now I can see a dozen+ license plates. If I went for a walk I'd see hundreds. How is it private if there are two of them on every car for everyone to see?

    The word privacy has multiple definitions. In this case, the apropriate definition is ephemeral. You looking at a license plate informs one person, you, about the time and location of that plate. You posting a picture of that online creates a perment record that potentially millions of people can access.

    It is the same thing as using a debit card and the clerk looking at the card number versus the POS computer making a permanent record of the card number. The first is a very small risk, the second is essentially an unbounded risk as customers of Target, Neiman-Marcus and Michaels have come to find out.

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  14. Re:Wrong ration by HiThere · · Score: 2

    How do you get from those deep subway tunnels to the surface? Also, since Rome is fairly near sea level, and near the sea, those deep subway tunnels are also going to be underwater. This makes things much more expensive.

    The solution in Roman times was, IIRC, to ban vehicles on the streets during daylight hours. I don't really think you need to ban bicycles, but Rome *is* the city on seven hills, so I doubt that bicycle use will be a popular as in flatter cities.

    Perhaps an elevated railway could be made to work. You would need to design it with light vehicles, so that you would have considerable latitude as to where you placed the support pylons.

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  15. Re:And Italy has never had a history of... by radish · · Score: 2

    So wait - you think reporting a crime to the police so they can investigate it is "tattling"? What are you? 8 years old?

    You see some thugs mugging an old woman - move along, none of your business. You see someone breaking into your neighbor's house - leave it alone, I'm sure they value their privacy.

    I simply can't understand the mentality that says if you see someone doing something wrong you just let them carry on. Baffling.

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  16. Re:Deliberate Misdirection? by Virtucon · · Score: 2

    To make the people feel like their Police/Government is listening to them and will actually do something perhaps?

    But yes, you can stumble 10 feet in almost any direction and find vehicles parked and abandoned all over Rome. What's even funnier are the motor scooters that you know have been locked to that lamentable light pole or bike rack for months and are damaged or covered in 2 inches of dust. It's like the Owner forgot all about them.

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