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Press Used To Print Millions of US Banknotes Seized In Quebec

An anonymous reader writes "The Canadian Royal Mounted Police report: An offset printing press used to manufacture counterfeit $20 banknotes was seized by the RCMP and US Secret Service. This significant seizure was made earlier today in the Trois-Rivières area. The authorities had been looking for this offset press for several years. A large quantity of paper was also seized by police, that could have been used by the counterfeiters to manufacture from $40-$200 million. The very high quality counterfeit notes were virtually undetectable to the naked eye. Some of the features they had were uncommon, including the type of paper used, which was especially made with a Jackson watermark and a dark vertical stripe imitating the security thread found in authentic notes."

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  1. How they were detected by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    They were printed in both English and French, to avoid breaking Canadian bilingualism laws.

    1. Re:How they were detected by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      The "In God We Trust, eh?" was another tip-off.

    2. Re:How they were detected by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Did a moose piss in your poutine this morning, or are you always such an asshole?
      If you think the world needs some better Canada jokes, then how about supplying a few yourself.

    3. Re:How they were detected by Thomas+Miconi · · Score: 5, Funny

      They were printed in both English and French, to avoid breaking Canadian bilingualism laws.

      Actually, they weren't. Which is the *real* reason why the Quebec police busted them.

    4. Re:How they were detected by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Big bad counterfeiters! 200 Mil!

      I guess they're right. The best way to illegally make money is to own a bank.

      HSBC alone, payed out 2 BILLION in just fines, for laundering drug cartel money. And were glad to do it! 2 Bil was only 5 weeks of it's annual profits. Heck, the man responsible at HSBC, Gulliver, got a personal windfall 2 Million in BONUS!

      So, if there are "BIG PENALTIES" for these Canadian operators, it's only to keep the ankle-biters off of the big banks' turf.

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    5. Re:How they were detected by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Funny

      Canada certainly DOES deserve some better jokes, however I don't think the case for new and funnier jokes should come at the expense of any of the other 50 states. North Dakota and Missouri are also candidates for better representation.

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    6. Re:How they were detected by drkim · · Score: 3, Funny

      The final straw that gave them away was that they were trying to print $100 bills, but they came off the press as $89.95 bills.

    7. Re:How they were detected by davester666 · · Score: 2

      No, the Quebec police were there because there was English printing going on.

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    8. Re:How they were detected by Robb+Swanson · · Score: 2

      Many years ago, I had taken a vacation from my home in Boston to Nova Scotia. I was sitting in a bar in Halifax, hoisting a few beers, and got to talking with the guy next to me, a Canadian from British Columbia who was also in Nova Scotia on vacation.

      I said to him, "I hear that you Canucks like to tell Newfie jokes. Do you know any good Newfie jokes?"

      This is the one he told me.

      There was this Newfie out rowing his boat singing an old Sea Shanty.

      I'se The B'y that builds the boat and
      I'se The B'y that sails her

      High above the Newfie were some Martians in their Martian hover-craft and one Martian says to the other, "I wonder what would happen if we took out half of this Newfie's brain".

      So they send down their Martian brain-sucking machine and (*slurp*) suck out half of the Newfie's brain.

      The Newfie just sings some more.

      I'se The B'y that builds the boat and
      I'se The B'y that sails her

      "Hmmm. No change", said the Martian. "I wonder what would happen if we took out the other half of his brain."

      Again, they send down their Martian brain-sucking machine and (*slurp*) suck out the other half of the Newfie's brain.

      The Newfie sings,

      Alouette, gentille alouette,
      Alouette, je te plumerai.

  2. Go after the real thieves lol by oic0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now if we could just stop our government from printing themselves money.

    1. Re:Go after the real thieves lol by Cyberax · · Score: 2, Insightful

      US in 1933, Japan right now.

    2. Re:Go after the real thieves lol by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 2

      It's roundabout taxation and debt relief for a government too grid locked to supply those with fiscal means.

      It has some unfortunate side effects, allowing interest rates to rise would as well though ... sure a deep enough deflationary bust can clear the US debt overhang, I'm betting fascist would come to power before it runs it's course though because it's not going to be pretty.

    3. Re:Go after the real thieves lol by dk20 · · Score: 2

      Seriously, your money goes up to $105 if the fed increases the supply 5%?

      Are you sure your 100 is not reduced 5% due to supply/demand curves, etc?

    4. Re:Go after the real thieves lol by Cyberax · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nope. US Fed did what is required from the start, so the recession in the US turned out to be far more shallow than in Europe (where the ECB blundered for several years). In Japan it's the contrast is even more stark - after a decade of slow stagnation and deflation (or near-deflation) they started growing almost immediately after the central bank and the government decided to be 'irresponsible'.

      Then there's China, its inflation rate skyrocketed into hyperinflation several times during the recent 30 years, yet they've had double-digit growth for about as long as that.

      Oh, and inflation primarily hurts 1%-ers because they have to actually invest their capital in risky businesses (work!) rather than sit back and enjoy risk-free rent. For a general worker a mild inflation is a plus, because it erodes the debts (mortgage!) over time.

    5. Re:Go after the real thieves lol by SeaFox · · Score: 5, Informative

      It steals nothing. My $100 in the bank is worth $105 after the fed increases the money supply 5%. My house goes from $200,000 to 210,000, again, matching the inflation.

      What? Inflation makes your buying power less not more. The house may go up in (numeric) value, but you $100 in the bank is worth less now since it's not worth as much in actual exchange for goods and services.

    6. Re:Go after the real thieves lol by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      Nope, the number goes up roughtly in line with inflation. So money doesn't inflate, so long as you stop storing it under your mattress. Think of it as the tax on stupid and lazy. Invest it and it'll grow, not shrink.

      So long as inflation is slow and predictable, it won't make your money worth less (again, unless you store it under your mattress).

    7. Re:Go after the real thieves lol by complete+loony · · Score: 2

      Nope. US Fed did what is required from the start, so the recession in the US turned out to be far more shallow than in Europe (where the ECB blundered for several years). In Japan it's the contrast is even more stark - after a decade of slow stagnation and deflation (or near-deflation) they started growing almost immediately after the central bank and the government decided to be 'irresponsible'.

      And yet Australia, which gave cash to tax payers instead of bank managers, did even better. But even though Australia completely avoided a technical recession, all they have done is delay the inevitable.

      When you start modelling money and debt, global economies still look very sick indeed.

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    8. Re:Go after the real thieves lol by Cyberax · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sure. Cash from the government (in form of mailed checks or tax rebates) is the most efficient way to get out of a liquidity trap quickly, it's followed by federally-funded shovel-ready projects. Obama managed to push through such a stimulus and it helped, but it was about 3 times smaller than needed. Australia did the right thing and so it had experienced next to no recession pain: https://www.google.com/publicd... On the other hand, EU did exactly the wrong thing and imposed harsh austerity and still hasn't reached the pre-crisis level.

      It's also correct that purely monetary policy can do little in case of liquidity traps - a loose monetary policy is necessary to get out of liquidity trap, but by itself it can't really affect investment and demand levels.

    9. Re:Go after the real thieves lol by mjwx · · Score: 3, Informative

      Nope. US Fed did what is required from the start, so the recession in the US turned out to be far more shallow than in Europe (where the ECB blundered for several years). In Japan it's the contrast is even more stark - after a decade of slow stagnation and deflation (or near-deflation) they started growing almost immediately after the central bank and the government decided to be 'irresponsible'.

      And yet Australia, which gave cash to tax payers instead of bank managers, did even better. But even though Australia completely avoided a technical recession, all they have done is delay the inevitable.

      The $900 payout to people who earned less than A$90,000 didn't stop the recession in Australia. In fact nothing did. We had one, but we recovered in less than 12 months because of sensible banking regulations which meant none of our major banks needed public money. That combined with a sensible economic policy (which has remained virtually unchanged since the early 90's) and low levels of public debt meant that we rode out the GFC in a very short time.

      The $900 "stimulus" was about boosting consumer confidence, which it did for a very short time but it wasn't a real fix.

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    10. Re:Go after the real thieves lol by Cyberax · · Score: 2

      Well, the recession was so short exactly because the payout helped - you can't expect such policy measures to act immediately. And no, tougher banking regulations were not the reason - Europe in general had similar regulations, yet they didn't help. Public debt also has no direct relation to recovery - Spain had very little public debt (and it was running surpluses for many years), for example.

    11. Re:Go after the real thieves lol by weilawei · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The trick is to gain assets greater than your assets.

      Translation: The trick is to be born into enough money to make large investments with large returns.

      Borrow $1,000,000 and buy 4 $250,000 houses

      Translation: I am disconnected from the financial reality of the average working-class citizen.

      Sell them in 10 years and you beat inflation, even after inflation and interest.

      Translation: Use hard assets, not soft assets, in order to beat inflation.

      Of course, to get $1,000,000 in loans, you have to already have money. But I do have enough to borrow to beat inflation.

      Translation: You need to be rich like me in order to get rich like me.

      If someone inflates against me, I raise rents on my tenants. Problem solved.

      Translation: I solve my problems by screwing over the guy who has less initial resources and is thus less able to invest and be rich like me. Profit!

      I'm also earning 10% per year (average over 20 years) in the market with retirement and investments. And, of course, being in the top 10% of wage earners, I pay less than 10% of my income as federal income tax (and less than 20% in total taxes, summing all property, sales, state, local and federal taxes). My tax rate should be 3x what it is, but I'm happy to use the system to my benefit. Even if the system is broken.

      Translation: I make WAY more money than you and I pay less in taxes than you as a function of income. I should pay 3x as much, but I'm happy to screw the next guy over, who doesn't have enough money to play games with the loopholes or make very large investments.

      Do you ever listen to yourself? Do you have ANY idea how much like a stuck up asshole, totally disconnected from the economic reality of the average citizen you sound? By your own admissions and details, you need a sizable amount of money just to play your game in the first place!

    12. Re:Go after the real thieves lol by weilawei · · Score: 2
      You must be fantastically smart to miss the original AC's point, and then base your rebuttal around ignoring it:

      Most investments do NOT pay 5% interest (this isn't the late 90s anymore, 2% is good!).

    13. Re:Go after the real thieves lol by purpledinoz · · Score: 2

      Oh, and inflation primarily hurts 1%-ers

      This is absolutely false. The Fed essentially bailed out Wall Street and gifted the 1% in the range of trillions of dollars via zero interest. Have you gotten a 0% loan from the bank lately? The Fed essentially funded the stock market would rise, which the 1%'ers are piled into, enriching them even more, while pretty much none of the lower income Americans were able to participate in. What are corporations doing with their record profits? Stock buybacks. That money isn't going into hiring people.

      Inflation has been quite high in food and energy (and very high in the stock market), which hurts the 99% because they spend a larger portion of their income on food and energy. Why is food stamp usage highest on record? Why is the labour participation rate the lowest since the 70s? The economy is not well. The 1% is pretty much the only winner in the recent GDP gains.

      I'm not saying the general idea what the Fed did was bad. Just that it was implemented in a way to make the 1% even richer while taking away from the 99%. I think it would have been better if the money was distributed to the 99%, rather than gifted to the 1%.

    14. Re:Go after the real thieves lol by TheLink · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's still printing money.

      My left hand borrows money from the future and passes them to my right hand which gives you cash. What does that really look like to the rest of the world in practice?

      Or how about this, I lend 9 trillion dollars "from the future" to my friends at below market interest rates. My friends make a few millions or even billions with it and pay me back in full (can't be that hard - it's below market rates after all). So how's that not printing money? It may not be printing trillions but it's printing millions or billions.

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    15. Re:Go after the real thieves lol by jcr · · Score: 2

      Yes it does. It deprives you of the income you should have earned from the funds you risked by putting them in someone else's hands in exchange for interest.

      -jcr

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      The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
    16. Re:Go after the real thieves lol by kilfarsnar · · Score: 2

      You're confused - it's the BANKS that 'print' money into existence.

      Commerical banks create pseudeo-money.

      When you deposit "real" money from the government or central bank in a commercial bank account the bank keeps a certain ammount of it in reseve (either by stashing it in a vault or depositing it at the central bank) and loans out the rest. But you still effectively have the money you deposited so your bank balance is psuedo-money.

      The ammount of such psuedo-money in the system is much greater than the ammount of "real money" but the government and central bank (the existance of which is ultimately at the whim of the government) control the ammount of real money and the reserve requirements placed on banks and thus indirectly control the ammount of pseudo-money the commercial banks can create.

      They all create the same money, there is no pseudo-money. When you get a loan from a bank, that bank creates the money they lend you on the spot. It does not come out of anyone's account, or even from the bank's money. It is new money, created for you based on your willingness to pay, or the real value of physical collateral you put up. The Federal Reserve does the same thing when they buy Treasury bonds. They create that money on the spot to buy the bonds and increase the money supply. So there is no "real money" there is only debt; the promise to repay. The Fed uses reserve requirements to limit the amount of money created. But it's all the same money; created out of thin air, at interest, on demand. In this way, the banking system skims off of the entire world's money supply. Quite a racket!

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  3. plastics the new paper by the+0x · · Score: 5, Interesting

    switch to australian made notes, i'd like to see them try and replicate those notes!

    1. Re:plastics the new paper by dk20 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      We use polymer notes here as well (Canada). Even the lowest bill ($5) is moving from paper to plastic ;)

    2. Re:plastics the new paper by spasm · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Australians license the polymer process to a lot of countries (including Canada) and an offshoot of the Australian Reserve Bank actually prints polymer notes for about 30 countries directly including Mexico.

    3. Re:plastics the new paper by mendax · · Score: 4, Informative

      switch to australian made notes, i'd like to see them try and replicate those notes!

      Yes, I've advocated the US switching to Aussie plastic ever since my first experience with it when I visited Oz in 1995. Canada is now doing it and Mexico has been using it for several years. Even the damn Romanians are using it! The polymer money has its detractors (it's slippery and doesn't fold nicely unless you put a book on the fold for a month and then you can't get the fold out) but it's pretty much damn impossible to counterfeit unless you're a government. And I suspect even the North Koreans will have trouble with it since I have no doubt the Aussies will ever license the technology to them for obvious reasons.

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    4. Re:plastics the new paper by failedlogic · · Score: 4, Informative

      Canada makes polymer bills. The first polymer bill produced was the $100 CAD. Not too long after it was released, counterfeits were reported. This is a CBC story from May 2013. Too bad, for the longest time $100 and $50 paper bills weren't accepted at retail even if legal tender for fear it was counterfeit. Hopefully this doesn't happen with the new polymer bills.

      http://www.theglobeandmail.com...

    5. Re: plastics the new paper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Duh... Money laundering.

  4. How is this any different from Fed practice? by xmark · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Fed doesn't even bother with the paper - just pushes some buttons, and *magically* $4 billion pops out into the system *every day.*

    Except they call it Quantitative Easing instead of its actual name, counterfeiting. Cuz they're economists, you know.

    1. Re:How is this any different from Fed practice? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 3, Informative

      Fed doesn't even bother with the paper - just pushes some buttons, and *magically* $4 billion pops out into the system *every day.*

      Nonsense!

      They only create TWO billion a day.

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    2. Re:How is this any different from Fed practice? by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How can the person in charge of printing money be counterfeiting money when they are authorized to print more? Though most of the easing isn't in printed money anyway, right?

  5. Buddy, Can You Spare a Dolla by flyneye · · Score: 4, Funny

    If you suspect you have government printed currency, you should send it to me, flyneye.
    I will inspect it for bugs, flaws and make sure it works.
    Bulk, no problem, will pay shipping fees or postage for large amounts.
    Be safe, be sure, send your money to flyneye.

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  6. Re:To be fair... by cheater512 · · Score: 2

    Not true!

    Getting cocaine to rub over the bills to enhance their authenticity requires hanging out in some dodgy neighbourhoods.
    That is what stops me from doing it. :P

  7. Re:Not in public's interest to help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    That's right, if you get stuck with a fake 50, you lose unless you can successfully pawn it off on a small store that doesn't check carefully.

  8. Where's the nerd in this? by Mister+Liberty · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Couple of criminals bested by another lot of criminals.

  9. Someone actually is using a printing press? by mendax · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When I first read this story I was amazed to read that someone was still using a printing press to print phony money. I thought only the North Koreans did that because their fakes are printed using the intaglio printing method, the same one used by the U.S. Bureau of Engraving and Printing to print American money. You're not going to get that from an offset press.

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    1. Re:Someone actually is using a printing press? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      You're not going to get that from an offset press.

      No, but you'd be surprised how many Americans don't know even the basic security features of their money. Indeed, if a bill looks and feels right at a first glance, few enough will question its authenticity and the counterfeiters rely upon this fact. It also doesn't help that the most common counterfeit detection method employed by small businesses, the currency marker pen, is easily defeated with the right sort of non-banknote paper and some dried hairspray. This is common knowledge now, at least online and among the counterfeiters, even if does still catch some of the less sophisticated fakes. As a business owner myself, I would say that the biggest tip off that a note is fake is the lack of red and blue silk threads embedded in the paper. You'd think that this would be an easy feature to replicate, but most counterfeits don't seem to have them, probably because the supply of real banknote paper is tightly controlled and silk threads must be mixed in before the paper is laid out and dried to achieve the right effect. The second biggest tip off is the watermark, although TFA states that there was some attempt made at a watermark in this case. If the watermark is missing or looks bad then the bill is probably fake, ditto for the security strip. My advice would be to check for the threads, watermark and security strip in that order instead of relying solely upon the pen, but hey it's your money.

  10. Re:Since US currency is "faith based"... by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 2, Informative

    Because the game is all about who gets to have the money, not how good the money is. If counterfeiting were legal, peons could print their way to financial independence, and we can't be havin' with that. Any mechanism by which large numbers of the population can escape from debt will be carefully stamped out, no matter what it is. Counterfeit printing is only one of many victims of this policy.

  11. Re:Are they embossed? by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Fancy heavy-weight offset printer, so yes. The press is what enables that difference, and this is one of those presses. Who gets to even buy these presses if quite tightly controlled. The fact that authorities spent years looking for it meant that its purchase was very carefully done and it was probably disassembled and moved after initial delivery. A difficult and expensive operation, but presumably the years it was in operation paid for it.

  12. Re: Not in public's interest to help by blocsync · · Score: 2

    Bitcoin sucks. See stories of millions of stolen bitcoins posted here on Slashdot only weeks ago. Not that its a bad idea outright, just that bitcoin is far from a perfect implementation of a crypo currencey, and fan boys like you keep touting it like the end all be all solution. It is NOT imunne to exploitation and theft.

    Are you seriously trying to blame the currency/protocol for exploitation and theft as though to imply that fiat currency is somehow immune to those things? People who have had bitcoin stolen have done so by leaving themselves vulnerable through things such as poor anti-virus, poor password practices, and general ignorance of scams. This is not a flaw in bitcoin (either the currency or the protocol), it's a lack of education for the end user. This is almost identical to putting a hundred dollar bill (fiat currency) on your front porch while you're at work and wondering what happened to it when you come home.
      I concede that bitcoin has it's downside, but exploitation and theft is something any and every currency form will always be subject to, if your using that as your anti-bitcoin basis, then your point is rather moot.

  13. undetectable to the naked eye by nurb432 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And ultimately, that is all you really need to do. Fool the guy at the store counter, which isn't all that hard.

    Once it gets back to the bank and is detected, you are long gone.

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    1. Re:undetectable to the naked eye by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Once it gets back to the bank and is detected, you are long gone.

      Hahahahahaha detected at the bank hahahahaha.

      People get counterfeit twenties out of ATMs all the time.

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  14. learn proper economics please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Now if we could just stop our government from printing themselves money.

    Why?

    When interest rates are at 0%, and the politicians can't be bother inducing demand via stimulus spending/fiscal policy, the only way left to get the economy going is monetary policy. The Japanese have had 0% interest rates for decades, and have printed money a lot as well, and they've had deflation.

    In science you pick the model which makes accurate predictions. The Austrians, gold bugs, and folks from the Chicago school of thought have been yammering on about inflation for years. The Keynesians (IS-LM folks) have been saying it won't/isn't because of the circumstances we're in. Who has been right? Which model has turned out correct over the last five years?

    Of course that doesn't mean you can print money whenever you want, just in particular circumstances (which the US happens to be in):

    Running deficits and printing lots of money are inflationary and bad in economies that are constrained by limited supply; they are good things when the problem is persistently inadequate demand. Similarly, unemployment benefits probably lead to lower employment in a supply-constrained economy; they increase employment in a demand-constrained economy; and so on.

    http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/02/01/macroeconomic-populism-returns/

    They Keynesians have been correctly predicting things. Their model works. By this point, if you're scientifically minded you, should be dropping other models as their predictions were wrong.

    1. Re:learn proper economics please by argStyopa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't know if being able to diagnose a disease means you know how to cure it.

      If we're all Keynesians, why aren't we all breaking windows to improve the economy? The theory is utterly stupid EVEN IN THEORY, much less in application.

      Increasing money supply doesn't magically make people want to consume, all it really does is threaten blackmail to people "stupid" enough to try to save money.

      Keynes vs Hayek rap battle:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?... "Fear the Boom and Bust"
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?... "Fight of the Century"

      Keynes was, like Freud, a brilliant man whose observations are seminal to our understanding of his field, but who was in many ways overwhelmingly wrong.

      I'll take Adam Smith, Frederic Bastiat, and ultimately Friedrich Hayek over JMK, thanks

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  15. Re: Not in public's interest to help by lgw · · Score: 2

    I've never had money stolen out of a bank account. Of course, bitcoins will never be mainstream unless I can have a BTC-denominated savings account and credit card(at which point central banks control the BTC money supply, so why bother?).

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  16. Re:Are they embossed? by lgw · · Score: 2

    A very special type of press is needed for a convincing fake. Good paper money is printed with an 8-color press, which are really only used to print currency and Magic cards. Dunno if the seized press used the same process, or they were just clever in some way. In any case, the secret service probably keeps track of the few presses capable of printing convincing fakes.

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  17. Re:To be fair... by DarkOx · · Score: 2

    No it's not ordinary paper it's actually cotton cloth. Actually it's all quite interesting, visiting Crane paper in Dalton Mass is neat afternoon.

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  18. Re:Are they embossed? by weilawei · · Score: 2

    Embossing alters the surface of the paper, while intaglio deposits ink on the surface. They can be used to achieve similar effects, but they are NOT the same process. One results in a non-flat surface stock, inks later used being irrelevant to the process in general, and the other results in a flat stock with a layer of ink sitting atop the flat stock.

  19. Re:Intaglio? by weilawei · · Score: 2

    Intaglio does NOT engrave the NOTE. With intaglio, the PLATE is etched, and the ink deposited into the depressed/etched areas. The PAPER is then laid over it, and a roller is used to make contact between the paper and the upper surface of the ink. The paper pulls the ink away from the plate, leaving a raised layer of ink on the paper. You may perhaps be thinking of embossing or debossing, where the surface of the paper itself is altered.

  20. Re:Wrong, wrong... wrong again... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

    How is this marked insightful when all the points made are the exact opposite of reality?

    Because it fellates the power class with their woo-woo economics. He champions the ruin of local economies by calling a net transfer of wealth to Wall Street "putting the money to work" (as if local business loans by local banks was *a bad thing*) and makes the base assumption that wages keep up with inflation while ignoring massive unemployment, probably by using politically-manipulated data.

    Because, everybody knows the big banks are the ones who are hurting in this crisis! Give me a break. Obvious shill is obvious.

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