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Press Used To Print Millions of US Banknotes Seized In Quebec

An anonymous reader writes "The Canadian Royal Mounted Police report: An offset printing press used to manufacture counterfeit $20 banknotes was seized by the RCMP and US Secret Service. This significant seizure was made earlier today in the Trois-Rivières area. The authorities had been looking for this offset press for several years. A large quantity of paper was also seized by police, that could have been used by the counterfeiters to manufacture from $40-$200 million. The very high quality counterfeit notes were virtually undetectable to the naked eye. Some of the features they had were uncommon, including the type of paper used, which was especially made with a Jackson watermark and a dark vertical stripe imitating the security thread found in authentic notes."

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  1. How they were detected by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    They were printed in both English and French, to avoid breaking Canadian bilingualism laws.

    1. Re:How they were detected by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      The "In God We Trust, eh?" was another tip-off.

    2. Re:How they were detected by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Did a moose piss in your poutine this morning, or are you always such an asshole?
      If you think the world needs some better Canada jokes, then how about supplying a few yourself.

    3. Re:How they were detected by Thomas+Miconi · · Score: 5, Funny

      They were printed in both English and French, to avoid breaking Canadian bilingualism laws.

      Actually, they weren't. Which is the *real* reason why the Quebec police busted them.

    4. Re:How they were detected by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Big bad counterfeiters! 200 Mil!

      I guess they're right. The best way to illegally make money is to own a bank.

      HSBC alone, payed out 2 BILLION in just fines, for laundering drug cartel money. And were glad to do it! 2 Bil was only 5 weeks of it's annual profits. Heck, the man responsible at HSBC, Gulliver, got a personal windfall 2 Million in BONUS!

      So, if there are "BIG PENALTIES" for these Canadian operators, it's only to keep the ankle-biters off of the big banks' turf.

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    5. Re:How they were detected by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Funny

      Canada certainly DOES deserve some better jokes, however I don't think the case for new and funnier jokes should come at the expense of any of the other 50 states. North Dakota and Missouri are also candidates for better representation.

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    6. Re:How they were detected by drkim · · Score: 3, Funny

      The final straw that gave them away was that they were trying to print $100 bills, but they came off the press as $89.95 bills.

  2. Go after the real thieves lol by oic0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now if we could just stop our government from printing themselves money.

    1. Re:Go after the real thieves lol by Cyberax · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nope. US Fed did what is required from the start, so the recession in the US turned out to be far more shallow than in Europe (where the ECB blundered for several years). In Japan it's the contrast is even more stark - after a decade of slow stagnation and deflation (or near-deflation) they started growing almost immediately after the central bank and the government decided to be 'irresponsible'.

      Then there's China, its inflation rate skyrocketed into hyperinflation several times during the recent 30 years, yet they've had double-digit growth for about as long as that.

      Oh, and inflation primarily hurts 1%-ers because they have to actually invest their capital in risky businesses (work!) rather than sit back and enjoy risk-free rent. For a general worker a mild inflation is a plus, because it erodes the debts (mortgage!) over time.

    2. Re:Go after the real thieves lol by SeaFox · · Score: 5, Informative

      It steals nothing. My $100 in the bank is worth $105 after the fed increases the money supply 5%. My house goes from $200,000 to 210,000, again, matching the inflation.

      What? Inflation makes your buying power less not more. The house may go up in (numeric) value, but you $100 in the bank is worth less now since it's not worth as much in actual exchange for goods and services.

    3. Re:Go after the real thieves lol by Cyberax · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sure. Cash from the government (in form of mailed checks or tax rebates) is the most efficient way to get out of a liquidity trap quickly, it's followed by federally-funded shovel-ready projects. Obama managed to push through such a stimulus and it helped, but it was about 3 times smaller than needed. Australia did the right thing and so it had experienced next to no recession pain: https://www.google.com/publicd... On the other hand, EU did exactly the wrong thing and imposed harsh austerity and still hasn't reached the pre-crisis level.

      It's also correct that purely monetary policy can do little in case of liquidity traps - a loose monetary policy is necessary to get out of liquidity trap, but by itself it can't really affect investment and demand levels.

    4. Re:Go after the real thieves lol by mjwx · · Score: 3, Informative

      Nope. US Fed did what is required from the start, so the recession in the US turned out to be far more shallow than in Europe (where the ECB blundered for several years). In Japan it's the contrast is even more stark - after a decade of slow stagnation and deflation (or near-deflation) they started growing almost immediately after the central bank and the government decided to be 'irresponsible'.

      And yet Australia, which gave cash to tax payers instead of bank managers, did even better. But even though Australia completely avoided a technical recession, all they have done is delay the inevitable.

      The $900 payout to people who earned less than A$90,000 didn't stop the recession in Australia. In fact nothing did. We had one, but we recovered in less than 12 months because of sensible banking regulations which meant none of our major banks needed public money. That combined with a sensible economic policy (which has remained virtually unchanged since the early 90's) and low levels of public debt meant that we rode out the GFC in a very short time.

      The $900 "stimulus" was about boosting consumer confidence, which it did for a very short time but it wasn't a real fix.

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    5. Re:Go after the real thieves lol by weilawei · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The trick is to gain assets greater than your assets.

      Translation: The trick is to be born into enough money to make large investments with large returns.

      Borrow $1,000,000 and buy 4 $250,000 houses

      Translation: I am disconnected from the financial reality of the average working-class citizen.

      Sell them in 10 years and you beat inflation, even after inflation and interest.

      Translation: Use hard assets, not soft assets, in order to beat inflation.

      Of course, to get $1,000,000 in loans, you have to already have money. But I do have enough to borrow to beat inflation.

      Translation: You need to be rich like me in order to get rich like me.

      If someone inflates against me, I raise rents on my tenants. Problem solved.

      Translation: I solve my problems by screwing over the guy who has less initial resources and is thus less able to invest and be rich like me. Profit!

      I'm also earning 10% per year (average over 20 years) in the market with retirement and investments. And, of course, being in the top 10% of wage earners, I pay less than 10% of my income as federal income tax (and less than 20% in total taxes, summing all property, sales, state, local and federal taxes). My tax rate should be 3x what it is, but I'm happy to use the system to my benefit. Even if the system is broken.

      Translation: I make WAY more money than you and I pay less in taxes than you as a function of income. I should pay 3x as much, but I'm happy to screw the next guy over, who doesn't have enough money to play games with the loopholes or make very large investments.

      Do you ever listen to yourself? Do you have ANY idea how much like a stuck up asshole, totally disconnected from the economic reality of the average citizen you sound? By your own admissions and details, you need a sizable amount of money just to play your game in the first place!

    6. Re:Go after the real thieves lol by TheLink · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's still printing money.

      My left hand borrows money from the future and passes them to my right hand which gives you cash. What does that really look like to the rest of the world in practice?

      Or how about this, I lend 9 trillion dollars "from the future" to my friends at below market interest rates. My friends make a few millions or even billions with it and pay me back in full (can't be that hard - it's below market rates after all). So how's that not printing money? It may not be printing trillions but it's printing millions or billions.

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  3. plastics the new paper by the+0x · · Score: 5, Interesting

    switch to australian made notes, i'd like to see them try and replicate those notes!

    1. Re:plastics the new paper by dk20 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      We use polymer notes here as well (Canada). Even the lowest bill ($5) is moving from paper to plastic ;)

    2. Re:plastics the new paper by spasm · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Australians license the polymer process to a lot of countries (including Canada) and an offshoot of the Australian Reserve Bank actually prints polymer notes for about 30 countries directly including Mexico.

    3. Re:plastics the new paper by mendax · · Score: 4, Informative

      switch to australian made notes, i'd like to see them try and replicate those notes!

      Yes, I've advocated the US switching to Aussie plastic ever since my first experience with it when I visited Oz in 1995. Canada is now doing it and Mexico has been using it for several years. Even the damn Romanians are using it! The polymer money has its detractors (it's slippery and doesn't fold nicely unless you put a book on the fold for a month and then you can't get the fold out) but it's pretty much damn impossible to counterfeit unless you're a government. And I suspect even the North Koreans will have trouble with it since I have no doubt the Aussies will ever license the technology to them for obvious reasons.

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    4. Re:plastics the new paper by failedlogic · · Score: 4, Informative

      Canada makes polymer bills. The first polymer bill produced was the $100 CAD. Not too long after it was released, counterfeits were reported. This is a CBC story from May 2013. Too bad, for the longest time $100 and $50 paper bills weren't accepted at retail even if legal tender for fear it was counterfeit. Hopefully this doesn't happen with the new polymer bills.

      http://www.theglobeandmail.com...

    5. Re: plastics the new paper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Duh... Money laundering.

  4. How is this any different from Fed practice? by xmark · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Fed doesn't even bother with the paper - just pushes some buttons, and *magically* $4 billion pops out into the system *every day.*

    Except they call it Quantitative Easing instead of its actual name, counterfeiting. Cuz they're economists, you know.

    1. Re:How is this any different from Fed practice? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 3, Informative

      Fed doesn't even bother with the paper - just pushes some buttons, and *magically* $4 billion pops out into the system *every day.*

      Nonsense!

      They only create TWO billion a day.

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    2. Re:How is this any different from Fed practice? by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How can the person in charge of printing money be counterfeiting money when they are authorized to print more? Though most of the easing isn't in printed money anyway, right?

  5. Buddy, Can You Spare a Dolla by flyneye · · Score: 4, Funny

    If you suspect you have government printed currency, you should send it to me, flyneye.
    I will inspect it for bugs, flaws and make sure it works.
    Bulk, no problem, will pay shipping fees or postage for large amounts.
    Be safe, be sure, send your money to flyneye.

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  6. Where's the nerd in this? by Mister+Liberty · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Couple of criminals bested by another lot of criminals.

  7. Someone actually is using a printing press? by mendax · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When I first read this story I was amazed to read that someone was still using a printing press to print phony money. I thought only the North Koreans did that because their fakes are printed using the intaglio printing method, the same one used by the U.S. Bureau of Engraving and Printing to print American money. You're not going to get that from an offset press.

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  8. Re:Are they embossed? by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Fancy heavy-weight offset printer, so yes. The press is what enables that difference, and this is one of those presses. Who gets to even buy these presses if quite tightly controlled. The fact that authorities spent years looking for it meant that its purchase was very carefully done and it was probably disassembled and moved after initial delivery. A difficult and expensive operation, but presumably the years it was in operation paid for it.

  9. Re:undetectable to the naked eye by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Once it gets back to the bank and is detected, you are long gone.

    Hahahahahaha detected at the bank hahahahaha.

    People get counterfeit twenties out of ATMs all the time.

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  10. learn proper economics please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Now if we could just stop our government from printing themselves money.

    Why?

    When interest rates are at 0%, and the politicians can't be bother inducing demand via stimulus spending/fiscal policy, the only way left to get the economy going is monetary policy. The Japanese have had 0% interest rates for decades, and have printed money a lot as well, and they've had deflation.

    In science you pick the model which makes accurate predictions. The Austrians, gold bugs, and folks from the Chicago school of thought have been yammering on about inflation for years. The Keynesians (IS-LM folks) have been saying it won't/isn't because of the circumstances we're in. Who has been right? Which model has turned out correct over the last five years?

    Of course that doesn't mean you can print money whenever you want, just in particular circumstances (which the US happens to be in):

    Running deficits and printing lots of money are inflationary and bad in economies that are constrained by limited supply; they are good things when the problem is persistently inadequate demand. Similarly, unemployment benefits probably lead to lower employment in a supply-constrained economy; they increase employment in a demand-constrained economy; and so on.

    http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/02/01/macroeconomic-populism-returns/

    They Keynesians have been correctly predicting things. Their model works. By this point, if you're scientifically minded you, should be dropping other models as their predictions were wrong.

    1. Re:learn proper economics please by argStyopa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't know if being able to diagnose a disease means you know how to cure it.

      If we're all Keynesians, why aren't we all breaking windows to improve the economy? The theory is utterly stupid EVEN IN THEORY, much less in application.

      Increasing money supply doesn't magically make people want to consume, all it really does is threaten blackmail to people "stupid" enough to try to save money.

      Keynes vs Hayek rap battle:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?... "Fear the Boom and Bust"
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?... "Fight of the Century"

      Keynes was, like Freud, a brilliant man whose observations are seminal to our understanding of his field, but who was in many ways overwhelmingly wrong.

      I'll take Adam Smith, Frederic Bastiat, and ultimately Friedrich Hayek over JMK, thanks

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