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US Democrats Introduce Bill To Restore Net Neutrality

New submitter litehacksaur111 writes "Lawmakers are introducing the Open Internet Preservation Act (PDF) which aims to restore net neutrality rules enforced by the FCC before being struck down by the DC appeals court. Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA) said, 'The Internet is an engine of economic growth because it has always been an open platform for competition and innovation. Our bill very simply ensures that consumers can continue to access the content and applications of their choosing online.' Unfortunately, it looks unlikely the bill will make it through Congress. 'Republicans are almost entirely united in opposition to the Internet rules, meaning the bill is unlikely to ever receive a vote in the GOP-controlled House.'"

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  1. It's incredibly frustrating... by ZorinLynx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...to see just how in the pocket of huge corporations the GOP is, and yet people continue to vote for them, against their own interests.

    What will it take to wake people up? I fear it may not happen until it's too late, if not already.

    1. Re:It's incredibly frustrating... by jeff13 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Propaganda works. Sorry.

    2. Re:It's incredibly frustrating... by Kenja · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's simple, while I may not be rich now, tomorrow I could be! And then I won't want my hard earned money going to poor people like I was.

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    3. Re:It's incredibly frustrating... by Carcass666 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ...to see just how in the pocket of huge corporations the GOP is, and yet people continue to vote for them, against their own interests.

      What will it take to wake people up? I fear it may not happen until it's too late, if not already.

      I don't buy that the GOP is necessarily in bed with corporations any more than the Democrats, it's just more of a position of political posture. The GOP takes care of their corporate masters by fighting against regulations, while the Democrats handle the tax breaks, subsidies and programs that ensure their campaign contributors are happy.

      The anti-regulation dogma of the GOP is disheartening because while I agree with a decent number of GOP principles around spending restraint, tax reform, etc.; I don't agree that the free market can be trusted to handle finite public resources like spectrum and last-mile connectivity. This is especially troubling given the nature of the last-mile providers (COX, Time Warner, AT&T, etc.) who have vested commercial interests in maximizing their bandwidth performance at the expense of others (Netflix). It's too simplistic to say that all regulation is "bad", just as it's too simplistic to say that any social or green energy program is "good".

    4. Re:It's incredibly frustrating... by i+kan+reed · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not really. Net neutrality removes a barrier to entry for the market. One that doesn't exist yet, "pay off local ISPs to allow traffic" would be a necessary step for starting a new web-based business.

    5. Re:It's incredibly frustrating... by dkleinsc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And then I won't want my hard earned money going to poor people like I was.

      Also, if the government didn't force me to give any of my money to those people, then I'd be rich.

      (Seriously, a lot of people think that this is the only effect of government programs designed to help poor people, even when they know people who are benefiting from those programs.)

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    6. Re:It's incredibly frustrating... by lexman098 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It gets more complicated when your "private property" is a bridge that leads to somewhere really important.

    7. Re:It's incredibly frustrating... by ADRA · · Score: 4, Insightful

      None of what you say matters. Basically all providers besides very few number of high density area ISP's are huge and effectively Oligopolies, which means 'some small company coming in and selling bwelow cost' doesn't happen. Additionally, the idea of Net Neutrality means that in this limited marketplace, we as conbsumers have no information of what kind of extortion that their companies are putting on the internet services that we use. Would you support an ISP that charged excessively high rates on a site you frequent regularly (like slashdot)? Would you ever know? How much do you want to bet that fees will be doubled+ if its publically disclosed?

      I say screw it. Have the gov take pack the lines they laid and introduce a non-profit entity who's only job is to maintain the architecture and push costs on the content / service backbone carriers.

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    8. Re:It's incredibly frustrating... by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.

      ~ John Steinbeck

    9. Re:It's incredibly frustrating... by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When you have no choice, how do you exercise your rights? The choice for many is a choice between one or two providers, or going without. When the two providers collude to fix services (but not price), that is legal and functionally removed the ability of the consumer to exercise choice. The government stepping in to enforce individual rights is a good thing, and the reason the governments should exist.

    10. Re:It's incredibly frustrating... by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This includes not charging rich people more for the same government services provided for free to poor people.

      The only way the military helps the poor people is when the poor people enlist. Otherwise, the poor people gain nothing from the military. Looking back to feudal times, the military battles were all for "control". The serfs didn't see any change in their daily lives. If Cuba invaded the USA and nationalized everything, do you think that someone that works in Chilis as a buss boy or dish washer would see any change in his daily life, other than the new showing more programming in Spanish? But do you think there would be any change to Bill Gate's life when his house is used by a general, and Microsoft is nationalized and handed over to Fidel?

      No, for the truly poor, there would be no difference after an invasion. But the rich would see a massive change. So the rich have much much more to gain from a strong military, especially one that will fight economic wars on its behalf. The poor see nothing. So, the amount of benefit the rich sees from the government is much greater than what the poor people see. Yet the rich want the poor to pay for it while the rich don't.

    11. Re:It's incredibly frustrating... by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, if you ask a Tea Party person, they would like government out of regulations to the point of letting the market decide. The fundamental problem is, Comcast wants to charge Netflix et. al. for carrying content on their network, simply because Netflix eats all their bandwidth.

      The real fix, is to allow competition for Comcast in your town/locality. Right now, Comcast, has a near monopoly to the home, so they think they are entitled to charging more than they should for a product that doesn't improve much over time.

      The problem isn't the free market, it is a closed (oligopoly) markets. My fix would require local municipalities to operate the Fiber to the home, and bring it all into a COLO facility that provides Service Providers access to the FIOS lines. The COLO facility would be paid for by the Service Providers, based how many customers there were servicing.

      We wouldn't need legislation, and the competition would create an environment that would drive down prices or provide better service (options) to the end users. Imagine a service provider that operated all "on demand", instead of broadcast channels. Instead of searching through 356 channels of crap, you just search for the shows you want to see. Current Marketplace is being disrupted by technology, and should be. We don't need legislation to protect the current formula, we need legislation that gives new players opportunity to create new markets, that users are demanding.

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    12. Re:It's incredibly frustrating... by CosaNostra+Pizza+Inc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The fundamental problem is, Comcast wants to charge Netflix et. al. for carrying content on their network, simply because Netflix eats all their bandwidth.

      No. technology innovation over time results in more bandwidth for less money. Netflix et al do not eat "all their bandwidth". However, Netflix, Amazon Prime, et al are competing services for Comcast's movies on demand and specifically, Streampix. The real fix is to prevent ISPs from also being content service providers.

    13. Re:It's incredibly frustrating... by Bob9113 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Your post is interesting and I don't want to detract from your interesting solution, but just to clarify:

      Comcast wants to charge Netflix et. al. for carrying content on their network, simply because Netflix eats all their bandwidth.

      Netflix doesn't push anything down Comcast's network. I pull it. I eat all of Comcast's bandwidth. Whether I do it with Netflix or Youtube or Linux distro torrents is none of Comcast's business. I pay Comcast for carriage, like when I pay UPS to transport a package; it's none of UPS's business (or liability) what I put in the box. They charge me by weight and/or size and distance, not what I'm sending or who the recipient is.

  2. Wrong fight by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not Net Neutrality, but "Republicans want to take away your Netflix..." People dislike losing something tangible much more than gaining some important, but hard to quantify item. Change the debate; just like the natural food industry who says "The government wants to take away your vitamins..." to the opposing argument of "We want to be sure you aren't getting ripped off by spurious claims..." Guess which one wins?

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  3. There's no need for a new bill ... by DeadDecoy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just reclassify ISPs as common carriers. Creating a separate bill would probably open up the doors for more abuse, not less.

    1. Re:There's no need for a new bill ... by dkleinsc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What the ISPs really want is all the benefits of being a common carrier without any of the responsibilities. And that's exactly what they got with the Net Neutrality ruling. Given that AT&T is in the running for the top campaign donor in the country, it's unlikely that will change anytime soon (Seriously, it would be easier to list the politicians not on the take from AT&T).

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  4. Needed by JWW · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What is needed is not a reestablishment of the "rules" the FCC set up for what they called "net neutrality", what we need is for the FCC to declare the internet common carrier and to make all ISP's honor that.

    This bill not that. When these policies were in place at the FCC before being struck down, there were huge loopholes that companies (especially wireless) could drive giant trucks full of money through.

    We need the internet classified common carrier now!

  5. Whitehouse petition by TopSpin · · Score: 5, Informative

    A petition of the White House to `Restore Net Neutrality By Directing the FCC to Classify Internet Providers as "Common Carriers" just attained the 100k signatures required for a response.

    I'm sure a number of you would have liked to have known about that and signed it at the time... but the story submission was declined. Guess there were too many terribly important climate change stories or something.

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  6. Re:ah, yes by SirGarlon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can't understand why people support the republican agenda.

    I understand your frustration, but both parties seem pretty bad in their own ways. I suspect most Republicans are actually just anti-Democrats, and vice versa.

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  7. Misinformation by neonv · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Being someone who usually votes conservative, I find that net neutrality among conservatives is largely misunderstood. I continually hear that it requires content to be neutral. Meaning that if one opinion is present on a web page, all opposing opinions must be present as well to maintain neutrality. Everyone here should understand that is false. The source of that misinformation seems to be that the bill could be interpreted to let the FCC dictate content requirements. If the FCC were to do something crazy like that, it wouldn't hold up in court due to free speech, so it's not a reasonable concern.

    To prevent misinformation, here are the two views to net neutrality.

    1) Pro Net Neutrality: Internet Service Providers (ISP) should not dictate which data sources are allowed, how much bandwidth is allowed from each data source, or charge differently for data sources. For example, Netflix creates up to a third of internet traffic in the evening hours. As a result, ISP's are temped to reduce bandwidth allowed from Netflix to free up resources. Net neutrality would not allow this. This is usually the consumer point of view.

    2) Anti Net Neutrality: The ISP's own their equipment, pay for their bandwidth, and can do what they want with it. If they want to shape network traffic to make overall service better, it's their right. This is usually the business point of view.

    There are lots of details associated with either option. There can be a hybrid approach taken by the FCC as well. For example, if YouTube traffic gets so bad that I can't load a web page in a reasonable amount of time, then limiting YouTube would be in my best interest. In the rare cases such as that, bandwidth limiting is a good idea. Illegal activity such as child pornography could reasonably be blocked as well.

    Here's the wikipedia article.

    1. Re:Misinformation by Bob9113 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For example, Netflix creates up to a third of internet traffic in the evening hours.

      Netflix does not create any traffic. ISP customers create the traffic by telling the Netflix servers to send them a stream.

  8. Net neutrality is not the problem by SuperCharlie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Marketplace monopoly is the problem. When the majority of access is controlled by a handful of ISP's there is no option to simply "Go somewhere else". It's a moot point tho, as the money flows, so shall the votes.

  9. Re:ah, yes by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 4, Funny

    I suspect most Republicans are actually just anti-Democrats, and vice versa.

    Now if only the laws of physics would apply here . . . then these particles would mutually annihilate each other when they meet in Congress, and we would all be much better off without the lot of them.

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  10. Filibuster-proof majority for 2008-2010 is a myth by Insightfill · · Score: 4, Informative

    and the senate (by filibuster proof majority).

    This idea that the Democrats had a filibuster-proof majority from 2008-2010 is a myth.

    I believe that the problem is that Al Franken wasn't sworn in until well after that session was well under way, Senator Ted Kennedy was missing for many votes due to his brain cancer, and Arlen Specter didn't switch sides until much much later. There were a few other Democratic Senators who were either out or "Blue Dog" and "DINOs". The Democrats had the seats, perhaps, but nothing more, for a total of 72 days.

    Add in the wrinkle that the Republican definition of "compromise" (as a sibling post notes) became "my way or the highway" - candidate Richard Mourdock of Indiana as a vocal, but failed, example of that. Republicans who followed him went on the record unwilling to take even $1 of new taxes for $10 of cuts, and the Speaker of the House is generally unwilling to bring a bill forward until he has a majority of his party behind it - aka "The Hastert Rule", which Dennis Hastert himself disavowed.

  11. Libertarian by gd2shoe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Replying to AC troll, not for the troll's benefit, but because too many people are developing this perspective.

    Propaganda works. Sorry.

    Indeed - just look at the way the summary writer uplifts Democrats while lambasting Republicans, even though any objective observer will tell you they're essentially two sides of the same, evil coin.

    My guess is you vote libertarian--because that's the same rhetoric I keep hearing from them, which is in reality nothing more than a rebranding of the extreme right wing of the republican party. Same party different name.

    There are different types and degrees of Libertarians out there. There are some that are just as crazy as the irrational religious zealots and the tree huggers. The media is largely allied with the Democrats, and most of those that aren't are allied with the Republicans. Thus, there is a perverse incentive to cast all Libertarians in same light... as the enemy.

    The truth is, sane libertarians exist, and are very centrist in their positions. They agree with Republicans on some issues, and with Democrats on others.

    (disclaimer: I'm not a Libertarian, but a Republican who likes a few of their ideas. Not most, but a few.)

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  12. Ambassador Bridge by Valdrax · · Score: 4, Informative

    After all, we don't allow corporations to own real bridges to important places.

    I know that a lot of people diss both Detroit and Canada, but I think any bridge that transports 25% of all merchandise trade between two first-world nations is pretty important.

    Now, the Ambassador Bridge is a good illustration of your point in spite of this, since it's a good example of why we shouldn't. While it has some competition from a tunnel which is owned (via a shared LLC) by the two city governments that it connects, that hasn't stopped it from fighting tooth and nail to prevent any other, better bridges from being built to compete with it.

    The owners have poured money into the hands of legislators and opposition candidates and into ballot initiatives to try to stop the bridge, have run political scare ads, and have tried to tie up the project in the courts for years -- to the point that the head of the company was put in jail for a short while for contempt of court for failing to obey court orders related to the construction contracts. All to protect a bridge that ends in surface streets on the Canadian side over a bridge that would directly link two highways.

    Just a modern day baron trying to protect his inefficient little fief at the expense of the public.

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