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Cops With Google Glass: Horrible Idea, Or Good One?

Nerval's Lobster writes "Earlier this week, news reports leaked that the NYPD is evaluating whether to give its officers Google Glass for investigations and patrols. Google, which is sensitive to accusations that it works hand-in-hand with governments or law-enforcement agencies to monitor civilians, suggested that the NYPD must have purchased the units on its own initiative, rather than partner with the company. Some pundits and many civil libertarians hate the idea of law enforcement wearing Google Glass or other electronics that can send a constant stream of video and audio to a government (or even third-party) server. But at the same time, wearing Google Glass could also compel cops (and other law-enforcement personnel) to be on their best behavior at all times, particularly when it comes to use of force; the prospect of instantly available video detailing every aspect of an officer's shift could prove a powerful incentive to behave in a courteous and professional manner. But that's a very broad assumption; the reality—if cops really do start wearing Google Glass and other video-equipped electronics in large numbers—will likely end up determined by lots and lots of lawsuits and court-actions, many of them stemming from real-world incidents. Do you think cops should have Google Glass and other wearable electronics? And if so, what sort of regulations could be put in place to ensure that such technology isn't abused by the powers that be?"

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  1. Anything it sees may be used against you by Spy+Handler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    and anything it sees that's in your favor, they can just discard.

    That's how it works currently when it comes to other kinds of evidence, no reason to think Glass data will be any different.

    1. Re:Anything it sees may be used against you by DoninIN · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm a bit paranoid when it comes to this sort of abuse by those in power. If the data is streamed back to "police Hq" then there is a layer of oversight there to reduce the abuse, it's not about whether or not the deputy who decided he didn't like the look of you decides to ignore or delete this information, it requires a larger conspiracy by those who are supposed to responsible and accountable, and those who didn't make some mistake or abuse their power to begin with, so it's not unlike dashcams for policemans hats. Also seeing this article with the XKCD extension that replace Google Glass with Virtual Boy made me smile.

    2. Re:Anything it sees may be used against you by TheNastyInThePasty · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They don't need to discard it. Very few officers have ever been charged with murder while on duty regardless of whether or not there's video evidence and/or tons of witnesses.

      Even if you, say, bash an innocent homeless man's face in, tase him repeatedly as he screams for help, and pile six officers on him until he suffocates.

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    3. Re:Anything it sees may be used against you by MrBigInThePants · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or they could just ignore the public and do whatever the fuck they want like they currently do.

      Remember that only INDIVIDUALS get punished when they don't line up with policy and then get paraded about as the system working well.

      I still laugh when the plebs suggest that they can have a say in how anything in america goes does.

      They will or will not use this as they please and there is not a fucking thing you can do about it.

      Be a nice bovine and go back to being farmed for your productivity and wages like a good little citizen.

    4. Re:Anything it sees may be used against you by bondsbw · · Score: 2

      It would be difficult for a cop to wear Google Glass while getting away with forcing others not to use it.

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    5. Re:Anything it sees may be used against you by MrBigInThePants · · Score: 2

      You can mod it down but it does not make it any less true.

      Regardless how much cud you have to chew.

    6. Re:Anything it sees may be used against you by Belial6 · · Score: 2

      It is painfully clear that the level of conspiracy to destroy evidence has been well entrenched at every level of virtually all police departments for a very long time.

    7. Re:Anything it sees may be used against you by Marful · · Score: 2

      Given how shady cops are with their actions while they conduct themselves, the cameras are much much more of a detriment to an officer's behavior/actions than the citizenry's.

      Many of the article's I've read on the subject talk about how many less complaints the department received. One article even mentioned that the when only half the police department wore the cameras (the other half refused to wear said cameras...), the Excessive Use of Force complaints went down by over 70%.

      So the question becomes, is this because the citizenry aren't making complaints? Or is it because police were moderating their behavior and not using excessive force or heavy handed tactics as their first response to every situation?

      Either way is a win/win for us taxpayers. And the latter is a HUGE win for us citizenry as far as police tyranny is concerned.

      Having been on the receiving end of such a shady cop violating the law, departmental "procedure" and having the dash-cam video go "missing" during discovery, I am all for more accountability for cops.

    8. Re:Anything it sees may be used against you by Dereck1701 · · Score: 2

      In some cases you would be right, there are definitely cases where a department acknowledged that there had been misconduct and was open with the fact & any evidence they had. However there are also MANY cases (Michael Deherra Beating, Hollywood FL framing, etc) where there were obvious instances of personnel not involved with the misconduct covering for those misbehaving by destroying and/or editing evidence. On officer video could have very positive impact on both punishing criminals and punishing officer misconduct, but only if the video is streamed to a third party database that provides access equally to police, prosecution, defendants & reporters. And there are SEVERE penalties for having "accidents" with your video equipment at an "inopportune" time.

  2. I'd say Great Idea by GerryGilmore · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This would absolutely raise the bar of performance for a lot of cops. As the summary says, knowing that you're being monitored all of the time would keep the cops on their best behavior.

    1. Re:I'd say Great Idea by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As Spy Handler suggested, the bar would only be raised as high as the chief of police's scruples. Fortunately, centralizing corruption means there's only one head that needs to roll in order to fix a rotten department.

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    2. Re:I'd say Great Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
    3. Re:I'd say Great Idea by linuxci · · Score: 4, Funny

      The summary must be wrong because Google glass has a 30-minute battery life while shooting video.

      Don't most NY cops only have a 30 minute working time followed by a 2 hour donut break. They can use that time to charge the batteries.

    4. Re:I'd say Great Idea by GerryGilmore · · Score: 2

      Errr... A) being police, they are rightfully held to a much higher standard of accountability (how many teachers pack iron and have the latitude to use said iron?) B) being public employees, have arguably less rights in this area than other workers and C) the old slippery-slope argument rears its head yet again. :-)

    5. Re:I'd say Great Idea by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

      A lot of cops already have dash cams they ostensibly don't control. Google Glass would be easier to hack.

      Really, I think the main new thing that would be introduced by cops wearing Google Glass is there'd be a lot of down-the-blouse cleavage shots circulating within the department - thanks to the traffic cops.

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    6. Re:I'd say Great Idea by fafalone · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Just like dashcams right? Instead I think we'll just see 4 Google Glass fail at the same time instead of 4 dash cams failing at the same time, at the exact time abuse is alleged to have occurred.

    7. Re:I'd say Great Idea by Thangodin · · Score: 2

      Agreed. Where cops are required to wear surveillance gear, they are on their best behavior, because the video is available in court--this has already been demonstrated in the EU. And that's not up to the chief of police. Your lawyer can demand it. And Google glass feeds to the Google servers, not the police station. Ultimately, the cops don't own it, so they can't just delete or edit what they don't like, they can only modify their copy, which is not the master, which your lawyer can request. So they will be very careful to make sure that nothing incriminating appears in the feeds.

      This is surveillance of the cops as well as citizens--souveillance, not just surveillance. Read Contrary Brin to find out what souveilance is. All the conspiracy theorist here need to take their tin foil hats off for a moment and try to understand what this really means.

    8. Re:I'd say Great Idea by ultranova · · Score: 2

      What you don't get, is if this succeeds, what is to prevent our employers from insisting that each of us wear it while we work?

      What makes you think that's a bad idea? There are plenty of jobs where this would be a godsend. For example, take a factory. From examining industrial accidents to being able to send live video feed to the maintenance ("is that supposed to be doing that?") to accessing piping schematics to accessing factory's control systems from the field to simply locating people, a Google Glass - an Ex-approved version, of course - or similar would be a huge improvement over walkie-talkies, which are used nowadays.

      Is raising the bar on cops worth it to lose this freedom?

      You don't have the freedom to keep your workplace activities a secret.

      You may want to read this short story which has such a thing as its premise.

      No. "Manna" has as its premise automation, which is unrelated (and already happening). This story is about monitoring.

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  3. Here's the deal by djupedal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just got my glass last week, and the way I see it (pun!), it is ok for the cops as long as it is ok for the public at large too.

  4. Just some thoughts by rolfwind · · Score: 2

    Google, which is sensitive to accusations that it works hand-in-hand with governments or law-enforcement agencies to monitor civilians

    I DO NOT MIND if google helps police agencies investigate crimes better by making google glass some type of Minority Report style computer (sans the whole crime prediction thing aspect of the movie).

    I DO MIND if they build government backdoors to my data.

    Not really hard, completely seperate things. But google is trying to bamboozle the public with nonsequiturs.

    1. Re:Just some thoughts by amRadioHed · · Score: 2

      How does editorializing by the author of this piece equate to Google trying to bamboozle the public with nonsequiturs?

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  5. Re:I've got a Nokia lumia 1020 by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2

    and this site design still runs horribly on this phone despite it being the latest designer phone!

    I've got news for you: Whether a phone is a designer phone or not has zero effect on how well or how badly it renders a web page. What matters is the hardware and software inside the device.

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  6. Judging Performance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My concern would not be that it would compel officers to be on their best behavior at all times, that is something I'd generally look at as a perk. Instead I'd be worried about how we would then judge cops job performance. This could very well remove the cops ability to ignore trivial and insignificant breaches of law that go on around them, as well as giving people a pass. With cops performance already often judged by the frequency of their tickets this could just open a new opportunity to diminish their role as protectors of the people.

  7. Don't see a problem if some conditions are met. by jcochran · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't see a problem with the police using Google Glass provided that if they do, the use is non discretionary and that the unedited video is provided in full upon demand by the public or accused. After all, we don't want the police turning off their glass if they're about to do something questionable. And we don't want anything that's in the favor of the accused to be discarded because it's "not relevant"

    1. Re:Don't see a problem if some conditions are met. by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 2

      there are dashcams and cams inside jails and, well, more often that you or I would want - the video data 'goes missing'. how convenient!

      until that is a zero-occurrence situation, we have a LOT to worry about due to this imbalance. if we are defending ourselves, the video never goes missing. if the cop is being charged with breaking the law, the video goes missing more often than it should.

      until there are severe FINES and JAIL TIME for 'video that goes missing', this is a huge imbalance and I'd rather them not have it. them having it gives them more power and yet our power is the same or even less, now.

      I would propose citizen committes that watch live realtime video feeds of all cops who carry such gear and if there are ever gaps, that cop is recalled back IMMEDIATELY and severe sanctions are brought on him. I don't ever expect our legal system to be this fair and upfront - and that's exactly why I think cops carrying these is a bad idea.

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  8. require them to retain video by Karmashock · · Score: 5, Insightful

    and make it available for the defense... or its a bad idea.

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    1. Re:require them to retain video by Karmashock · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't see that going through the court.

      That said, maybe the real solution is for everyone to have cameras running on them all the time.

      We've been amused of late by motorists in Russia sharing their dash cams with youtube. Apparently that's a thing in Russia... dash cams. Maybe as we push into the 21st century there is an increasing need for pedestrians to have recording devices on their persons at all times in the event of police harassment.

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    2. Re:require them to retain video by SternisheFan · · Score: 2

      As I understand it, dashcams in Russia are common because the video is used against the uninsured drivers who do hit and runs. The only way to prove damages is to catch the accident as it happens.

  9. Panopticon by Tokolosh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Every single person on the government payroll should wear one, and the video and audio live streamed on the internet.

    Any gaps in the record are presumptive evidence for employee malfeasance, and public innocence..

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    1. Re:Panopticon by Tokolosh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And if they have nothing to hide, they should have no objection!

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  10. Good idea by twnth · · Score: 5, Informative

    Even up here in the land of the actually free, police are starting to wear cameras (http://globalnews.ca/news/1093386/canadian-police-forces-looking-to-arm-officers-with-cameras/)

    In my opinion, a camera on a cop is nothing more than an accurate, verifiable eye witness. It won't see or hear anything the officer won't already see and hear. Much better than an officer's memory and notebook.

    Using google glasses... good. It won't provide any more information than the officer already has access to, or that can't be mined off a conventional camera's video. It may just provide the info quicker, when the officer needs it.

    Maybe it's because I'm a white guy with a job. Maybe it's because I'm Canadian. But as a rule, I trust cops. Sure you get the odd bad cop, or a good cop making a mistake or having a bad day, but that happens with all people. Giving the cops a tool that provides information that might help reduce mistakes, and provides evidence both for and against them, to me is a good thing.

    1. Re:Good idea by ugen · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I am a "white guy with a job" too, about as law-abiding as anyone can get without becoming a monk - yet I absolutely do not trust police. My (albeit limited) personal experience with police, as well as what I see happening in general, suggests that by a large margin they are no less dishonest, selfish and brutal than general population. However, where general population is held in check by external factors, police have additional "special rights", whether by actual law or by precedent, that make them that much more dangerous.

      May be up there in Canada things are different, but this was my experience in every location in US I lived in.

      That said, I think cameras of any kind on police would be a good thing in most cases, though I suspect they will quickly learn to cope by having batteries run out just in time, or suspects need to be strip-searched every time, which *obviously* would require camera to be turned off for privacy reasons (and, don't you know it, naked suspect is probably more cooperative anyway).

  11. Re:I've got a Nokia lumia 1020 by linuxci · · Score: 2

    and this site design still runs horribly on this phone despite it being the latest designer phone!

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  12. Sure by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...as long as the citizens can keep on recording on theirs. Fair's fair.

  13. Predictions for public statements from PD by b1tbkt · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "I'm sorry, we can't release the officer's Glass-cam video at this time, as it's part of an ongoing investigation."

    "Due to the overwhelming amount of video collected by our officers, we can only retain video streams for n days. Since the incident in question occurred (n+1) days ago, there's simply nothing that can be done to retrieve that data."

    "Our department's forensic computer investigation unit has confirmed that the officer's Glass-cam was malfunctioning on that day and all attempts to recover video from the incident have proven unsuccessful."

  14. Glass is not rugged enough for this usage yet by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But I think that cops should be REQUIRED to use wearable recording devices when in the field. It's a natural, personal extension of the dashcams that are already standard. In fact, absence of a recorded interaction after an arrest should be considered suspicion of evidence tampering.

  15. No difference by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 2

    'Glass, or just a head or shoulder mounted camera. Just yesterday, I saw a cop in my local grocery store with a shoulder mounted camera.

    What the difference between that and 'ooohh shiny Google Glass'?

  16. FACIAL RECOGNITION, not Video Recording. by Etherwalk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Google glass for cops is not about video recording. Even if it starts there, it's not about that. It's about facial recognition.

    Every cop being able to know, looking at a person, who that person is, where they work, where they live, whether there are any warrants, what their facebook page says, what political party they are... almost anything big data can generate.

    This is one of the single biggest threats to individual freedoms we have ever seen.

  17. Unlikely because.. by SinisterRainbow · · Score: 2

    ... we already have plenty of cop shows that give us a general idea how officers let others off.. Further, I doubt it will be public record except later, or at hearings, and there will always be exceptions - like maybe detectives, or people who work contacts..

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  18. Re:Bullshit by TheNastyInThePasty · · Score: 2

    This is the case that I was referencing specifically. The only thing the man was guilty of was being incapable of following the officers' orders and we all know how authoritative thugs hate it when someone doesn't listen to them. This was not supply second decision making, the man was completely unarmed. This was just a ruthless murderous beating.

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  19. Re:Bullshit by TheNastyInThePasty · · Score: 2
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