The Search for Life On Habitable Exoplanets
New submitter Benzainload895 writes "The Verge has an article about why life on other worlds would be far stranger than we might expect. They also interview some astronomers who are trying to narrow down the most likely locations for life. Quoting: 'As it turns out, the small planets with long orbits that Kepler was finding were the ones it was least disposed to find. [After estimating how often red dwarf stars have planets and taking into account their expanded habitable zones, they] came up with an estimate Cowan says is "starting to get really close to a hundred percent, where for every [red dwarf] out there you should expect there to be a habitable rocky planet." Furthermore, research exploring these planets suggests weirdness — and lots of it — in what life they might harbor. For instance, the dim light coming from a red dwarf may not be enough for plant photosynthesis like on Earth. This may lead plants to be black instead of green in order to absorb more available light. Even weirder, these planets likely don't spin as they orbit. Since red dwarfs are smaller and cooler than the sun, planets circle them at close range, creating greater tidal forces than on our planet. While the tidal force on Earth moves the ocean up and down a few meters, that force on a red dwarf planet would be so strong it'd gradually slow down the rotation of planet completely. The result? One side of the planet would face its star in a permanently sunny day, while the other side would face the stars in an endless night."
Higher life form evolved from cats.... as any BBC viewer of Red Dwarf knows.
Always looking for water looking for life, or where the 6 building blocks for life as we know it could form.
That's what we know and it makes sense, but there are surely other types of life that have different building blocks.
If you ignore ACs because they are anonymous - you're an idiot.
Part of the questions we were posing to the grad student from UC Santa Cruz: many of the planets they're identifying are about White Dwarfs - which means planets which have survived the exit of main sequence and a expelling of gas, at high velocity it could strip atmosphere and perhaps scour water from the surface - these are likely to be dead worlds, if not mostly frozen.
Those in the Goldilocks are still very hard to detect, which is why so few have been. There's a couple hundred thousand candidates which Kepler identified, and these are still being evaluated and processed - no small task. Exciting times.
Obligatory XKCD
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
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So more likely to find Eloi and Morlocks on a habitable planet surrounding a red dwarf?
With tidal force locking, I'd expect the edges to be rather uninhabitable too, and the center that's facing the sun comparatively hot. There air will rise up, move towards the other side of the planet, cool down and drop. It would cool even further down, get even colder and move towards the lit side. When it enters that region, there is little light there, and the air is very cold. So, even though there is some light, it is uninhabitable. Then the air starts picking up heat when it moves back to the center. It would in particular in that region you could expect life to be.
However, what if that life requires CO2. It might condense on the other side of the planet.
Perhaps if there's a lot of it, you'd get a greenhouse effect, and sufficient CO2 for plants anyway.
And you thought life on earth was tough.
Bert
> Even weirder, these planets likely don't spin as they orbit.
> While the tidal force on Earth moves the ocean up and down a few meters, that force on a red dwarf planet would be so strong it'd gradually slow down the rotation of planet completely. The result?
> One side of the planet would face its star in a permanently sunny day, while the other side would face the stars in an endless night."
If you couldn't draw that conclusion from "don't spin", you're a moron. If you think it's "weird" that some bodies don't spin, you're a moron. Why are stories aiming for the lowest common denominator?
That is the trouble, science. We have billions of galaxies which contain billions of stars which most have planets.
The issue starts with thinking as we are the only life form, then every thing else has to be like us.
Getting humans (and maybe even robots) to the next solar system might will be impossible in practical terms, and even harder for more distant solar systems. Finding habitable planets in our local group of stars will mean hear attently all of them to check if they were transmitting something in our direction N years ago, and to spam the close enough ones (10-20 light years away?) them with information in the hope that they might answer in some decades. And the answer will come back to a very different world, considerating our rate of change.
XKCD #1298 is considerably more interesting for this discussion.
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But not as we know it.
Our imagination does not give us "surely". The only thing they are sure about is how life works with water on Earth, which is why they are looking for water.
Except for ending slavery, the Nazis, communism, & securing American independence, war has never solved anything.
UK has BBC, US has PBS. Which did an episode on this topic.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/space/alien-planets-revealed.html
Or for our friends outside the US:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NizOstAKz4
If the planet is tidally locked, the backside of the planet will have a super ice cap, maybe cold enough to collect all the air...
If the planet is tide-locked, there might also be limitations on core circulation. No circulation, no magnet field. No magnet field, atmosphere gets stripped by solar wind and the planet surface gets blasted with protons. Therefore, No life.
If these planets are tidally locked wouldn't that kill the dynamo process that produces a planets magnetic field? If that magnetic field is gone wouldn't they suffer the same fate as Mars and lose their atmosphere to the solar wind?
"I'm saying that until we know about it and how it works, there's no basis to look for it."
Why?
Astronomers, biologists, people at NASA have been considering many possibilities for life for 60+ years.
Priest: "Universe from nothing, no laws of physics, sped up time"+ huge discrepancies. Creationism? No. Big Bang Theory
There are the Ringmakers of Saturn...
http://www.slideshare.net/zerofieldenergy/norman-bergrun-ringmakers-of-saturn-full-book-125p ...and Cydonia...
http://www.enterprisemission.com/paper_1/paper_1.html ...and the secret space program from "N...ever A S...traight A...nswer:"
http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Mission-Secret-History-NASA/dp/1932595260/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1392478214&sr=8-8&keywords=mike+bara