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Under Armour/Lockheed Suit Blamed For US Skating Performance

Koreantoast writes "The United States' surprisingly poor performance in speedskating, despite strong performances in recent World Cup events, has been blamed in part on an untested speedskating suit. The Mach 39, designed through a joint venture between Under Armour and Lockheed Martin, was supposed to provide Team USA with a high tech advantage, using advanced fluid dynamic models and a dimpled surface to disrupt air flow and improve comfort. Instead, performances have been disastrous thus far, with athletes going as far as modifying their suits at the Olympics to try and reverse their fortunes. The suits have caused enough concerns that U.S. Speedskating is taking the unusual step of seeking special dispensation from International Skating Union to ditch the high tech suits and switch back to their old uniforms. Teams are normally required to keep the same equipment through the entire Games. Insert jokes and comparisons to Lockheed's more famous product, the JSF, here."

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  1. Untested? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Who the hell goes to the Olympics with untested gear, just hoping it will work?

    1. Re:Untested? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Who the hell pushes untested code to production, just hoping it will work? Who the hell pushes an untested insurance exchange on a country, just hoping it will work? Who the hell pushes an untested beta on 25% of a website, just hoping it will work?

      Testing is unAmerican.

      BTW, you can bet whoever is responsible for this already jumped ship with an extra golden parachute for "bringing it in ahead of time and under budget" by chopping the test schedule and test team.

    2. Re:Untested? by icebike · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or more likely they were bitching all of january about the new suites but too much money and sponsorships were on the line and the US Olympic committee just told them to shut up.

      In most other sports you have quite a bit of leeway as to your sport clothing. As long as the colors pretty much match the team colors, nobody checks the labels and sizes.

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    3. Re:Untested? by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Better question is, who the hell tries to gain an unfair advantage over other athletes by having millions of dollars worth of resources dumped into their clothes, then expects to be taken seriously when they ask for a variation of the rules because those clothes are slowing them down?

      I'm embarrassed for them.

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    4. Re:Untested? by QilessQi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Fair enough, but then what's worse...?

      • 1. blowing your once-in-four-years shot at an Olympic medal by racing in untested gear (as Heather Richardson did anyway with her last-minute mods),
      • 2. blowing your once-in-four-years shot at an Olympic medal by racing in gear that you've tested to the point that you know it's bad, when you had the option of using your own gear,
      • 3. blowing your once-in-four-years shot at an Olympic medal by racing in gear that you've tested to the point that you know it's bad, but you were dumb enough to sign a contract saying that you'd race in whatever the heck you were given or else be sued out the wazoo, or
      • 4. blowing your once-in-four-years shot at an Olympic medal because you were just outclassed, and then blaming it on the gear?

      I mean, there aren't a lot of good options for the American team...

    5. Re:Untested? by gnasher719 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Isn't it quite bad if athletes try to get an advantage to other athletes by having a high-tech company develop suits for them? Isn't it just a fair punishment if these athletes end up in positions below their actual talent and capabilities, when they tried to get in a position above their talent and capabilities?

  2. Its too bad.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Its too bad these games end up being more about your tech than your personal ability. Participants should all be required to use the same gear so that the gold is won based on personal merit.

  3. Hard to get excited about Olympics by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's all money, money, money. Corporate, corporate, corporate. The tickets are expensive, the travel murderous on the pocket and many seats are taken by corporate people who never show up. Then we get to the ugly bits about technology, so and so has a suit built by some high tech company of Unobtanium fibres and they are going up against Joe Somebody from Outer Slobovia, who is wearing whatever was on the rack at the local sport shop.

    It's like cheering on millionaires and then getting your blood in a boil when you think someone cheated them.

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    1. Re:Hard to get excited about Olympics by timeOday · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I thought at the end you were about to say this shows that sport is still about athletic performance and not just money after all. That's what I think. And I don't the US should be allowed to change equipment during the competition either. Even though I'm skeptical it would matter.

      The amount of whining I've heard about these Olympics in general is pathetic. So transparent. Even though the games themselves have been not bad at all IMHO.

      Similarly it was pretty lame to listen to the announcers bend over backwards to excuse the mistakes of the US snowboard halfpipe team on the bad snow or the design of the pipe itself - then Shaun White said, "yeah, well, everybody was on the same course." I've been seeing some articles lately about him being a dick but that bumped him up a couple notches in my book.

  4. Re:Dice Blamed for Beta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Some of the gymnasts and figure skaters are 15 years old.

    And?

    Remember, nudity != porn.

  5. Typical American Attitude by msobkow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Heaven forbid that someone else in the world was just better and won legitimately. No, there has to be something to blame for the loss.

    For every winner of gold, there are dozens who go home with nothing. Maybe it's just your turn to be the ones who go home empty handed.

    It does happen.

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  6. Hard to have sympathy by LordLimecat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sounds like they were trying to get an advantage with better gear, and it turned into a disadvantage. What, do you only want the good parts of having non-equivalent gear, and not the bad?

    Seems like we should look into standardizing the gear across competitors-- if not, doesnt seem like theres much room for complaining.

  7. Re:Then again, maybe it’s not the suits at a by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Michel Mulder, who led a Dutch sweep of the medals in the men’s 500, offered another explanation.
    “It could also be,” he said of the Americans, “that they were just outclassed here.”

    The issue is that these same Americans have been winning races against the same competitors over the last two years. Brittany Bowe is a world record holder, but came in 8th this week.

    To the American athlete's credit, they have been downplaying the suit's impact and giving credit to the winners. The controversy is coming from the media.

  8. Re:Not so simple by bitingduck · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For instance, in cycling one major decision is which gears you put on your bike for a given race. Some people are better with bigger gears, and some smaller gears. Forcing everyone to use the same ones would put people at a disadvantage.

    This isn't a problem: just give them all a multi-speed bike that has ALL the gears. The only reason you'd only put some gears on a bike for a given race is because you're trying to eliminate extra weight and streamline the bike for the conditions it'll see in that race (you're trying to optimize it). If everyone has the exact same bike, this isn't necessary. No, this bike won't be as optimal for any one person as a custom-built (and -geared) bike, but it'll have all the gearings that any of the athletes might want, and eliminate the machinery as a competitive advantage

    And the machines still make it unfair- if you homogenize the machines to that extent then you end up homogenizing the people who can be competitive, as well. Staying with your example, small cyclists tend to have high power to weight, but low overall power, so it makes them more suited to climbing. Putting them on bikes with "all the possible gears" at the expense of weight means that the machine is a larger fraction of the rider+weight than for larger cyclists, thus using the machine to take away some of their real physical advantage. Even racing in a very controlled environment (i.e. a velodrome, where it's essentially dead flat), where riders are allowed to choose any gear they want (but only one gear), riders in a given race will choose different gears depending on their riding and racing style (spin vs mash, breakaway for laps vs. sit in and sprint). Sticking everyone in the same gear will likely put some of them at a disadvantage (which is intentionally done in junior racing, for both physical and fairness reasons).

  9. Re: Dice Blamed for Beta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not to mention that in the era of the original Olympics, 15 year olds of both genders were *all* married and usually had more than one child.

    The notion that a sexualization at 15 is "immoral" is just the last nanosecond on the historic clock. Remember that 99% of your ancestors married at 15 or younger. By contemporary definitions, we are all descended from long lines of pedophiles. As childhood gets longer and longer, how long until 18 also becomes "immoral"?