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Internet Censorship Back On Australian Agenda

New submitter aberglas writes "The conservative government's George Brandis wants to force ISPs to block sites that might infringe copyright. Brandis said he stood firmly on the side of content creators (a.k.a. Hollywood). Ban gross violators today, obscure ones tomorrow, porn sites, far left sites the day after..." From the article, too, this snippet: "The federal government is also considering implementing a "graduated response scheme" that could lead to consumers' internet accounts being temporarily suspended if they ignore notifications to stop downloading illegal content." Shades of the Copyright Alert System.

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  1. Creationalist by Stolzy · · Score: 2

    What have we done! We've created a monster (aka Tony Abbott). I voted the Pirate Party, myself. /Stolzy

    1. Re:Creationalist by mjwx · · Score: 4, Funny

      What have we done! We've created a monster (aka Tony Abbott). I voted the Pirate Party, myself. /Stolzy

      Yeah, they told me that if I voted for the Greens Australia would be screwed. Well I voted for the greens and look what happened.

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    2. Re:Creationalist by davester666 · · Score: 2

      just ship the criminals off to some unused continent...I heard New Zealand is sparsely populated...

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    3. Re:Creationalist by TapeCutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Previous attempts to push this stuff have come from opposition or independents with "balance of power" votes. Both major parties for the last 20yrs have used this issue as "bait" for independents, the promise of "inquiry" is normally enough to buy the independents vote, all reasonable observers know the inquiry will go nowhere. This time the push is coming from the federal attorney general, this is something very different and more credible than all the other failed attempts combined. Brandis makes Cheney look like a socialist, his push breaks the 20yr long good/bad cop routine the majors parties have played to screw independents out of their vote (an enemy of my enemy and all that...)

      The last mob were merely incompetent, this lot are malicious and openly hostile to anyone who earns a wage or has a science degree. The "Abbot faction" of senior ministers in this government are all riding the same ideological wrecking ball. They are that far from "reasonable" that even Barnaby is sounding sensible in comparison. Turnbull is not one of the inner circle, when Tony falters, Malcom will eat him alive, when that happens we can go back to the normal incompetence we have come to expect from both sides.

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  2. All *might* infringe ... by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Informative

    The conservative government's George Brandis wants to force ISPs to block sites that might infringe copyright.

    And since all sites 'might' or 'could' infringe copyright, the demand is only to get to an approved list operated by the media companies for everything, but further entrenching their revenue stream -- because then they'll know all ad content and subscription services belong to them.

    These clowns are destroying the internet, and the rights of everyone in order to ensure their rights could never possibly be violated.

    And I fear there's no sign of governments pushing back and telling them to piss up a rope.

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    1. Re:All *might* infringe ... by amiga3D · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Lately there have been so many shitty movies out of hollyweird that I can't find anything worth downloading. It's a massive waste of bandwidth. I finally figured out that is how they are combating piracy now. The films suck so bad that no one wants to watch them even if they're free.

    2. Re:All *might* infringe ... by donaldm · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Lately there have been so many shitty movies out of hollyweird that I can't find anything worth downloading. It's a massive waste of bandwidth. I finally figured out that is how they are combating piracy now. The films suck so bad that no one wants to watch them even if they're free.

      I fully agree, I have not watched a Hollywood movie in years.

      Actually from the article Attorney-General George Brandis is the one who has flagged the changes, however he appears to agree and criticize the Copyright Act stating

      "I firmly believe the fundamental principles of copyright law, the protection of rights of creators and owners did not change with the advent of the internet and they will not change with the invention of new technologies."

      then

      He described the Copyright Act as "overly long, unnecessarily complex, often comically outdated and all too often, in its administration, pointlessly bureaucratic".

      In the article there is a statement:

      Australians are among the most avid users of pirating websites in the world. For example, Australians accounted for 16 per cent of all illegal downloads of television program Breaking Bad.

      Having never watched "Breaking Bad" I did a quick search and found it is a TV series which anyone with a Personal Video Recorder can actually copy if they wish to do so however this show is not a so called Hollywood movie and many people who have missed one or more episodes can actually catch up by going on-line and watch the shows at selected legitimate sites (a quick search will find them).

      Of course you can download via torrent (no money changes hands) which I think the government would like to stop but there lies the problem, without snooping programs which can determine if a torrent download infringes copyright you have no way of knowing and ISP's would not be happy running this type of software since it would take up resources all for the sake of possibly catching an "illegal" down-loader. This type of thing would not be a vote winner.

      The problem is that many TV shows can be caught up by going on-line and watching them at "legitimate" web sites. Bringing in legislation to block so called illegal torrent downloading will have an enormous voter backlash which no sane government in their right mind would want.

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    3. Re:All *might* infringe ... by dryeo · · Score: 2

      The real solution is Netflix

      Not in most countries probably including Australia.

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    4. Re:All *might* infringe ... by dryeo · · Score: 2

      Australians are among the most avid users of pirating websites in the world. For example, Australians accounted for 16 per cent of all illegal downloads of television program Breaking Bad.

      Having never watched "Breaking Bad" I did a quick search and found it is a TV series which anyone with a Personal Video Recorder can actually copy if they wish to do so however this show is not a so called Hollywood movie and many people who have missed one or more episodes can actually catch up by going on-line and watch the shows at selected legitimate sites (a quick search will find them).

      Of course you can download via torrent (no money changes hands) which I think the government would like to stop but there lies the problem, without snooping programs which can determine if a torrent download infringes copyright you have no way of knowing and ISP's would not be happy running this type of software since it would take up resources all for the sake of possibly catching an "illegal" down-loader. This type of thing would not be a vote winner.

      The problem is that many TV shows can be caught up by going on-line and watching them at "legitimate" web sites. Bringing in legislation to block so called illegal torrent downloading will have an enormous voter backlash which no sane government in their right mind would want.

      While it may be true that Americans can go to "legitimate" web sites, it is not true in most countries and in most countries you can't get it any other legal way either, at least in a timely manner, so no using a PVR to record.

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    5. Re:All *might* infringe ... by TapeCutter · · Score: 2

      Correct, no Netfix here mate.

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    6. Re:All *might* infringe ... by TapeCutter · · Score: 2

      It sounds odd to me. Breaking Bad was aired on ABC here in Australia - (think BBC), I didn't see it, but it was very popular. The ABC make most of their programs available for streaming via their (excellent) iView website for about 2 weeks after screening. The ABC famously released a long awaited Dr Who episode on their website before airing it on TV, the show has finished for good now so I suppose the owners are about to release an overpriced boxset or something. It seems to me that that people are downloading a torrented version of the same thing and adding it to their private collection. Download alone is not illegal in Australia (other than kiddy porn), technically if you set the client to leach mode then (in Australia) you are not breaking the law, and you're certainly not raiding her majesty's fleet.

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    7. Re:All *might* infringe ... by Pseudonym · · Score: 2

      Breaking Bad season 5 has not yet screened on the ABC. If you wanted to watch it while the global conversation about it was still happening, you needed Foxtel with a Showcase subscription, which will set you back $72 a month. (For comparison, the DVD box set for season 5 costs less than half that, and you get to keep it.)

      There was no other way to legally watch it in Australia. Most people can't justify spending $72 a month for one or two TV shows (say, Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones), and companies like AMC and HBO provide no other way, such as a streaming web site. It's unsurprising that Australia leads the world in pirating shows like these when the distributors refuse to take Australia's money. It's like The Oatmeal's experience only worse.

      Note to AMC and HBO: No, I haven't pirated your damn shows. I've only seen a couple of episodes of Breaking Bad on free-to-air, and I have not seen any of Game of Thrones. I'd rather be out of the conversation completely than give any legitimacy to your price-gouging deals with Foxtel. There are people with money who would like to give it to you in return for content that you produce. It is your stupidity and ineptitude which is preventing said people from giving you said money. Fix that, and the piracy rate will drop dramatically.

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  3. Follow the money... by uradu · · Score: 4, Informative

    My gut instinct says that very rarely do people in the public eye follow totally altruistic agendas, particularly when it comes to issues like this that have little to do with the common good. If you dig deep enough you can find special interest trails that more often than not uncover these people's true motivators. Just follow the money.

    1. Re:Follow the money... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      My gut instinct says that very rarely do people in the public eye follow totally altruistic agendas, particularly when it comes to issues like this that have little to do with the common good. If you dig deep enough you can find special interest trails that more often than not uncover these people's true motivators. Just follow the money.

      Sen. Brandis is a blustering, bullying, buffoon who just parrots what his advisors tell him. He wouldn't have the intellectual capability to realise that blocking websites is an exercise in futility. Even the previous government figured that out - eventually.
      Last year the US Ambassador to Australia complained to the government about the amount of Australian piracy of "Games of Thrones". This year's season of Games of Thrones will only be shown on Foxtel (pay/cable TV). So, who owns Foxtel - News Ltd, aka Rupert Murdoch's organ. That would be the same Rupert Murdoch who influenced the Liberal Party to totally screw the National Broadband Network (fibre to the home) when they got into office.
      Many Australians are heartily sick of the Liberal Govt already (they were elected last September) on the back of campaign by News Ltd newspapers and the moron part of our society. Oh - and they tried to screw up school funding - presumably to increase the number of morons (Liberal Party voters).

    2. Re:Follow the money... by TapeCutter · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I've always wondered why a person is always able to join a party, but I don't think I've ever seen a party kick someone out.

      If you are an Aussie then you need to pay a bit more attention to who is who.

      Most of those booted out of the major party are not MP's at the time. Recent example - "Billionaire miner" Clive Palmer who was at one time the Lib's largest financial sponsor was publically kicked out of the Liberal party prior to the last election. He formed the PUP party and narrowly won a senate seat in the last election and it is likely he will hold the balance of power when the new senate is seated (mid-2014). Clive Palmer recently gained federal permission to dump millions of tons of dredgings from his $30 billion coal port project into a nearby marine park on the reef. If your average Aussie threw a chip packet in the same park they would be heavily fined.

      MP's normally resign their post and keep their party membership, Victorian state politician Tony Shaw uses this to his advantage and has recently forced the resignation of a premier and a house speaker. Liberals have kicked him out of the party and labour refuses to "negotiate" with him, but Shaw still has his seat and still has the balance of power. Shaw and Palmer demonstrate one of the few downsides of having a healthy population of independents elected.

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  4. Fuck Tony Abbott. by YukariHirai · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I was never at all fond of Tony Abbott, but since he's come into power I've come to fucking detest him and everything he stands for. I hope he gets knifed for the Liberal leadership before long.

  5. Uncle Rupert by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 2

    For those of you not familiar with Aus politics...

    A mainstream conspiracy theory is that News Corp promoted regime change at last year's federal election due to the previous policy on a National Broadband Network. Conservatives successfully argued that the only people needing the bandwidth of a fibre-optic network would be downloaders of illegally-sourced movies. So with ageing copper ADSL, the only hope of accessing 2160i content in the next two decades would be through Murdoch's cable service.

    1. Re:Uncle Rupert by dbIII · · Score: 2

      It's not really a conspiracy when the proof of a concerted campaign is splashed on the front page nearly every day for two or three years.

    2. Re:Uncle Rupert by jonwil · · Score: 2

      Anyone who thinks that Rupert Murdoch using his Australian media empire to influence politics in this country is something that has only recently happened clearly knows nothing about the relationship between Murdoch and politics in this country.

      Murdoch has been using the Australian newspaper to influence politics in this country in his favor right from the very first issue.

    3. Re:Uncle Rupert by dbIII · · Score: 2

      I only meant the most recent campaign. It's also not just in Australia, he likes to play similar games in the UK and USA too.

  6. Re:Only has to succeed once... by PPH · · Score: 3, Funny

    So you folks down under don't have anything akin to our First Amendment? You could borrow our Constitution. We're not using it.

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  7. As a content creator and an Australian by Sasayaki · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm a self-employed fiction writer, and an Australian, my answer to this is:

    No. Fuck off.

    My longer answer is:

    Why copyright infringement, and why Hollywood? Why do they deserve protection?

    I'm David Adams. I've written and published 30+ books across various pen names and platforms, including compendiums, omnibuses, etc. I self-publish and it's been my livelihood for 17 months. I'm no Hugh Howey but I do okay.

    Every single time that copyright infringement comes up, it's always in the context of Hollywood. Indie writers, singers, artists, producers... we never get a single mention. It's always all about Hollywood. Every time a tariff is discussed, a new law is proposed, it's always protecting a US industry explicitly. I would never see any money from any of the protection schemes suggested by my elected representatives, and if there's not direct funding involved, the suggested courses of action would only ever hurt me.

    My questions for Mr. Brandis, not that he gives a flying fuck about me, are:

    - Why Hollywood? Why are you not helping out our local artists? Is it because we don't donate flaming dump-trucks full of money to your re-election campaigns, and if so, don't you feel that you're actively selling out your local entertainment industries? Shouldn't you be representing *my* interests?
    - Why are you focusing on copyright infringement, something I give zero fucks about and even actively encourage? if you don't buy my book, I'd rather you got it from The Pirate Bay than passed on it, and I make lots of books free to encourage their proliferation anyway. Why fix something that's not broken?
    - As TFS and TFA indicate, this power is sweeping and applies to a lot more than just copyright. The last time the Federal Government tried this, under the banner of child pornography, it was shown (when the list was inevitably leaked) that many more websites were being blocked than simply child fiddling. Innocuous, offensive (but legal), personal grudges... the works. I struggle to believe that this time would be any different, and such blocks are trivial to bypass anyway. Why would you support a system that's fundamentally broken?

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  8. Re:American Economic Imperialism by dbIII · · Score: 2

    Why is everyone in such a rush to spend huge wads of money and violate privacy to protect American Copyright industry interests

    It gets written into trade agreements. There's leaks about current negotiations and a lot of articles about it in past negotiations where the agreements have been published. Personally I think it's due to rampant bribery, OK then "lobbying", of the US government officials that draw up proposals for such agreements.

  9. Re:American Economic Imperialism by AHuxley · · Score: 2

    Think back to the Vietnam war protests. It started with a few 10's, 100's of students and then with conscription led to
    Moratorium to End the War in Vietnam
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
    Once the upper middle class court cases start and very expensive, well educated Australian legal teams go to work on any new laws - the laws will be shown to be legal junk or more people in the public will start to ask questions.
    No amount of ASIO/police infiltration, tame gov press, internet sock puppets can keep new internet laws from been publicly questioned and challenged in open courts.

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  10. Re:Do people want this? by mjwx · · Score: 2

    Is any part of this effort to censor the Internet driven by the will of a majority of citizens?

    Nope, but this is par for the course with the Liberal government (note big L, they're actually our conservatives, well our bigger conservatives, much like the US we dont have any real left wing parties to speak of).

    Since taking office on the slimmest of majorities that was only granted due to a series of dodgy preference deals, the Abbott government has been acting like they've been crowned kings and pursuing their own agenda regardless of what people want. They've started conducting a military operation with a complete media blackout, began all out attacks on our public broadcaster, almost completely destroyed the NBN and all of this against the wishes of the people.

    I know three people who voted Liberal, two now regret it deeply, they said they wanted to punish the Labor party, but now they realise the only people they've punished are Australia.

    The only thing Australia can hope for, is that next year we have a hostile senate as the Liberals don't have a majority there and will be depending on minor parties and independents to push their agenda through.

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  11. Re: Pathetic responses by YukariHirai · · Score: 2

    There is criticism of the government owned and financed ABC and its balance, particularly since it has a charter that requires it to be balanced. This is difficult given that there are no identifiable conservatives involved in any of its prime-time news and opinion programs. A free press does not require a government funded organisation, there is considerable debate as to whether a $1.2B a year public media organisation operating across all media channels and not having to produce a profit is actually stifling any commercial competitors.

    The thing with the ABC is a little tricky. Perhaps it does have a slight bias towards the left wing, largely because people on the right wing tend not to believe in the worth of a public broadcaster and therefore don't work for one. If there is a problem in balance of views at the ABC, I would say that the solution is not to cut funding/close it down/sell it off, but to encourage more journalists with right wing leanings to work there. And really, I don't think it's as bad as the right wing makes it out to be - presenters on shows like 7:30 haven't been known to pull their punches when interviewing Labor politicians.

    Plus, I think it's important that there be a broadcaster who is able to show things that should be shown but don't make a compelling how-much-can-we-make-on-this argument for commercial broadcasters. And I really don't feel like the public broadcaster is stifling any commercial competitors when the volume of content on commercial broadcasters far outweighs the volume of content on the public one.

    Labor claimed it was all about child porn, however, the method included total secrecy of what was being targeted, this meant that abuse of this power would be very difficult to control. You somehow missed commenting on Labor's attempts to regulate the press, completely outside of anything to do with child porn.

    No matter what else happens, when you start getting into filtering the internet, abuses of that power would be very difficult to control. And since you want me to specifically comment on this, I think it is wrong for Labor to want to regulate the press. With that said, I also think that recent Labor leaderships have endured criticism of their government by the press a lot more gracefully than the current Liberal leadership has of theirs, and that Tony Abbott wanting to strike at the ABC has less to do with a concern for proper balance (I didn't see him criticise any Murdoch media for their blatant anti-Labor propaganda) and more to do with getting petty revenge on an organisation that dared to point out his government's shortcomings. But then maybe I'm biased. Who knows.

    My preference is for a free internet, however, normally the courts could be used to effect orders against organisations that are breaking the law. With the internet, it is difficult for courts to extend their jurisdiction to the countries that are being used by organisations involved in the illegal distribution of materials. It's a tough problem, I'll wait for details on how they plan to enforce it.

    I'll grant you that this is a bit of a difficult problem to face in the digital era, but for combating piracy, I feel the answer is to more effectively use the internet rather than restrict it. Piracy is, at its heart, a problem of service via legit channels being inadequate. While there will always be people who pirate because they're cheap bastards, for most people it's more a matter of how readily and conveniently available (and high quality) the legit thing is. When even paying for cable TV gets you the hot new TV shows a month later than the US and often edited, and bittorrent can get you it the next day and intact, this is why people pirate. Piracy is easily solved (easier than blocking all the avenues of piracy, anyway): be at least as quick and convenient as downloading.

    Amazingly I was able to debate this without needing to evoke threats of violence or abus