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California Fights Drought With Data and Psychology, Yielding 5% Usage Reduction

dcblogs writes with an article about hackers using technology to mitigate the effects of drought. From the article: "California is facing its worst drought in more than 100 years, and one with no end in sight. But it is offering Silicon Valley opportunities. In one project, the East Bay Municipal Utility District in Oakland used customized usage reports .... that [compare] a customer's water use against average use for similar sized households. It uses a form of peer pressure to change behavior. A ... year-long pilot showed a 5% reduction in water usage. The utility said the reporting system could 'go a long way' toward helping the state meet its goal of a reducing water usage by 20% per capita statewide. In other tech related activities, the organizer of a water-tech focused hackathon, Hack the Drought is hoping this effort leads to new water conserving approaches. Overall, water tech supporters are working to bring more investor attention to this market. Imagine H2O, a non-profit, holds annual water tech contests and then helps with access to venture funding. The effort is focused on 'trying to address the market failure in the water sector,' Scott Bryan, the chief operating officer of Imagine H2O."

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  1. I have a better idea by oic0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Stop trying to farm and build huge cities in the desert. When you fuss about not being able to find enough water in the desert I just want to sit in my muddy, humid, rainy state... and watch you die of thirst.

    1. Re:I have a better idea by dcw3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Queue the late great Sam Kinison:
      You want to help world hunger? Stop sending them food. Don't send them another bite, send them U-Hauls. Send them a guy that says, "You know, we've been coming here giving you food for about 35 years now and we were driving through the desert, and we realized there wouldn't BE world hunger if you people would live where the FOOD IS! YOU LIVE IN A DESERT!! UNDERSTAND THAT? YOU LIVE IN A FUCKING DESERT!! NOTHING GROWS HERE! NOTHING'S GONNA GROW HERE! Come here, you see this? This is sand. You know what it's gonna be 100 years from now? IT'S GONNA BE SAND!! YOU LIVE IN A FUCKING DESERT! We have deserts in America, we just don't live in them, assholes!"

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  2. Manufactured Crisis by iggymanz · · Score: 4, Funny

    so a group of peope had the brilliant idea of building massive cities and huge agricultural farmlands in a desert, made possible by unsustainable draining of acquifers and importation of water from other states.

    and now they have a "drought"?

    can't raise enough moisture for a tear over here....

    1. Re:Manufactured Crisis by iggymanz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm against watering a barren blazing desert in the west trying to pretend its "farmland"

    2. Re:Manufactured Crisis by iggymanz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      water levels in the aquifers are down 15 to 50 feet since year 2000, not being replenished as the absurd amounts of water on the pretend "farmland" and the too-huge cities are leading to the inevitable conclusion

    3. Re:Manufactured Crisis by asylumx · · Score: 3, Informative

      You're being obtuse, and I can tell by your several posts in this thread that nobody, including me, is going to change your mind, but here goes anyway. The important thing here is not knowing the "right" water level in the aquifers, it's knowing that a trend toward less water is a bad thing for humans trying to use that water, which is fairly obvious.

      Yes, irrigation systems help create farmland from land that was not previously suitable for farming, but there is lots more farmland out there that doesn't need irrigation than that does. Here in the midwest, farmers will often use irrigation systems but it is to prevent their crops from dying due to drought and generally is not intended to turn bad soil into good soil (although this does happen as well). It's a method of regulating water supply, not a way of terraforming.

  3. flow = pressure/resistance by unixcorn · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why not simply lower the water pressure by 10% to curb water usage?

    1. Re:flow = pressure/resistance by Chrisq · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why not simply lower the water pressure by 10% to curb water usage?

      That might be practical but it depends on geography. You might find that people in low-lying areas need a high pressure just to that the water reaches the houses on the top of the hill. Also it depends on usage - someone with a conventional shower may save water when pressure is reduced, but someone who takes a bath or had a power shower probably won't.

    2. Re:flow = pressure/resistance by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because building plumbing is built on the assumption that street water pressure levels are a certain figure. Decrease the water pressure and you find you have a lot of buildings in which the top floor doesn't get less water--it gets *no* water.

  4. Re:Ther eis no market failre in thw water sector by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 3, Informative

    The real use is farming for out-of-state sales. Industry is second. Home use is a grotesquely distant and minor third.

    Getting the home user panicked and guilty and whipped up was a knowing, admitted strategy to try to get legislation passed. Mathematically pointless limit discs are part of this.

    Save a few percent -- put off the need for growth a year or two.

    Ya wanna do something useful? Make it legal for people who develop alternate sources to preen and waste water luxuriously, sans limit discs and with 200 gallon toilet tanks.

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  5. Re:Manufactured Crisis - Oblig by Havokmon · · Score: 3, Funny
    Can't talk about a drought in/near a desert area without obligatory Sam Kinison.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

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  6. There is no drought in California. by Snufu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There is merely a shortage of raw materials (H2O) for big agriculture.

    Agriculture consumes 80% of the water in California and contributes 5% of the economy. There is sufficient water in California to supply the cities 5 times over.

    But before you fly-over states get all self-righteous, think about this the next time you buy fresh salad greens in January.

  7. Reduce usage - pay more by careysb · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In Denver we suffered through a drought that lasted a few years. There was a big campaign to get people to reduce their water usage - and it worked! People significantly reduced their water usage - so much that the water board was no longer getting the revenue that it said it needed. So, the rates went up.

    Funny how the rates didn't go back down when the drought was over.

    Also, not surprisingly, the golf courses got all the water they wanted.

    1. Re:Reduce usage - pay more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ah, but Golf Courses are the red herring of California. It's what farmers, who are wasting massive amounts of water, like to point and scream at, to distract from the real issue - people growing shit where they have no business whatsoever growing shit. (And then shipping it to China. But that's another matter entirely.)

      Meanwhile, neither golf courses or farmers will be penalized - nay, households will be put to the sword if they don't wring the drippings out of their laundry and drink them.

      Amusing captcha: unionize

    2. Re:Reduce usage - pay more by Ex-MislTech · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes 85% of water usage in California is Agriculture.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W...

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    3. Re:Reduce usage - pay more by mspohr · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Farmers in California grow a lot of rice which requires a lot of water. Most places that grow rice have lots of water. In California, even in "normal" years, there is no rain in the summer (dry season) so they have extensive dams and canals paid for by state and federal taxpayers which provide them lots of cheap water.
      This year, there is a drought so the reservoirs are dry and the farmers are whinging seriously about "their" water.
      California has lots of water for people... not so much to grow rice in the desert.
      (Same argument applies to most California farming which uses an unsustainable amount of water to grow food in a desert.)

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    4. Re:Reduce usage - pay more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We have the same problem in Texas too. The rice farmers aren't willing to pay a free market price for water. They insist on paying 1/100th of what everyone else does. A long time ago, they got a law passed saying the water they used from the river each year means they own that much water from the river each year forever. Many won't even consider growing a crop that uses less water. "I've always grown rice. You can't tell me what to do with my water." Of course, they all vote for "free market" Republicans, because they'll keep the Mexicans illegal and protect us from Obama.

    5. Re:Reduce usage - pay more by Ex-MislTech · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That and 90 billion gallons of water in Alfalfa sent to China, and 97 billion gallons
      used for fracking...

      Also I hear the commercial water rate is lower then the residential rate, ie.
      the per gallon price is cheaper for the corporates then for the sheeple.

      So basically the citizens are paying corporate welfare to big AgriBiz.

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  8. Residential use is a drop in the bucket by masman · · Score: 3, Informative

    I find residential usage citations vary from 5-13% of total California water usage. Let's say it's 10%. I'm having a hard time figuring out how cutting my usage by, say, a big 25% along with every other California resident is going to solve the problem when that represents maybe 2.5% of total water usage. Don't get me wrong, I see no reason to waste water unnecessarily, but I just don't get all the emphasis on residential usage when it's a drop in the bucket. What am I missing?

  9. A drop in a bucket. by wcrowe · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Meanwhile billions of gallons of water from California are, essentially, being exported to China.

    NB: I apologize if the article is paywalled. The first look is free.

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  10. Re:Contest by gnick · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Do you think everyone should dig up all the grass and use astro turf?

    Actually in a lot of New Mexico (can't speak for elsewhere), digging under your grass and "zeroscaping" is fairly popular. Looks good and takes almost no water. Of course, you might need grass out back if you want to play on your Slip-n-Slide.

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  11. Re:compare water usage with "average"? by Ex-MislTech · · Score: 4, Informative

    The CA home user uses about 10% of the water, the other 90% is used by Agriculture and Industry.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W...

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  12. Re:Here in WI we're required to keep a running fau by hubie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Tell me more about global warming, please.

    Sure thing.

  13. They just need to.... by rahvin112 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They just need to do what they've done in other western "dry" states and price water on consumption. In my state I pay a normal about $30 a month for the first 7000 gallons, which is enough for most moderately sized households internal uses. But the next 7000 gallons cost me double the $30 and the third set of 7000 costs me triple. In the summer my water bill goes from $30 a month to almost $300. This progressive pricing was introduced during our last big drought and water consumption went down 20% almost immediately and has continued to drop every year. Xeroscaping became very popular.

    In fact I'm in the process of ripping up several hundred feet of sod to be replaced with native plants.

    1. Re:They just need to.... by rahvin112 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Utah. We had a nearly 7 year drought with sub 50% snowfall every year. Near the end of that drought all the reservoirs in the mountains that provide the summer water were damn near empty. The progressive pricing was instituted county wide and has continued since along with some of the extra money being spent on water use reduction public campaigns such as http://www.slowtheflow.org/.

      They also setup several community demonstration gardens with various native and non-native plant life to show people how to plant attractive yards that consume significantly less water which are the water conservation gardens link on the page I linked above.

      Phoenix is actually one of the places I believe within the next decade is going to have an eye opening event with water. Las Vegas is currently in the throws of theirs, Utah did it in the late 90's early 00's. Rainfall patterns are changing and the new Colorado river pact is going to dramatically change water allocation for Phoenix at some point in the future (probably the very near future) and you don't have the advantage Utah does (if we don't use our water in ends up in the evaporating toxic waste pit called the great salt lake which means there is no reason not to use every drop). If I was you I would be actively campaigning for increased water rates and water use reduction plans because if you don't put them place in before the catastrophe when it is forced on you it's going to be very costly.

      Most Phoenix dwellers aren't aware of this but the vast majority of the water Phoenix uses comes from the Colorado River and it's pumped 6000 feet over the mountains using the power from Glen Canyon dam which is nearing it's life expectancy (it's about silted up). At some point in the future the Colorado River allocation is going to change drastically and at some point in the future the Glen Canyon dam is likely to go away. So not only will the water allocation go down you will have to start paying money to pump it over the mountains (the government currently pumps it for free).

  14. Re:Meanwhile, in Toronto... by Insightfill · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Water saving measures have drained funds from water taxes that are used to maintain the infrastructure...

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com...

    The smarter towns do what many other (often private) utilities do - have a line item for "fixed costs" and another for "usage". You get a fixed charge of $10-20 for access to the utility, and then a per watt-liter-whatever charge for usage. Even if you use NOTHING, that flat cost comes in every month.

    Water billing is largely done on a city/village/town basis. Often, the water comes from a common-source (county 'water agency') which passes on costs to the smaller towns feeding off of it.

    Now: if someone along the way mismanages it, that's a different problem.

  15. Re:Did you read the ATL? by ThreeKelvin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You have a point, but you're a long way from cutting into actual need.

    I live in a country where everybody has access to high quality ground water. Our avarage daily water consumption is per capita less than a third of that of a the US, where you don't have access to high quality water. (our tap water is cleaner than bottled water.)

    I was shocked by the disregard for water the first time I visited the US. Just as an example, your toilet bowls are huge lakes of water compared to what I'm used to. Flushing all that water just made me feel guilty.