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Intel's New Desktop SSD Is an Overclocked Server Drive

crookedvulture writes "Most of Intel's recent desktop SSDs have followed a familiar formula. Combine off-the-shelf controller with next-gen NAND and firmware tweaks. Rinse. Repeat. The new 730 Series is different, though. It's based on Intel's latest datacenter SSD, which combines a proprietary controller with high-endurance NAND. In the 730 Series, these chips are clocked much higher than their usual speeds. The drive is fully validated to run at the boosted frequencies, and it's rated to endure at least 70GB of writes per day over five years. As one might expect, though, this hot-clocked server SSD is rather pricey for a desktop model. It's slated to sell for around $1/GB, which is close to double the cost of more affordable options. And the 730 Series isn't always faster than its cheaper competition. Although the drive boasts exceptional throughput with random I/O, its sequential transfer rates are nothing special."

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  1. sequential transfer by edmudama · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hard for any SATA drive to distinguish itself on sequential transfers, given that SATA is capped around 550MB/s

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    1. Re:sequential transfer by Luckyo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Pretty much this. Vast majority of SSDs on the market today are very similar in terms of speed in normal usage, because the bottleneck is now in SATA. You can overclock it all you want, but you'll need to start pushing disks to PCI-E or similar bus for it to start to matter.

      And then there's the whole issue of "does it really matter when it's this fast on desktop?"

    2. Re:sequential transfer by jones_supa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hard for any SATA drive to distinguish itself on sequential transfers, given that SATA is capped around 550MB/s

      Which is why every fast SSD has data rates for SATA2 and SATA3. SATA3 is a lot harder to cap. But even then, for the ultrafast are SSD cards, and no SATA involved.

      The 550MB/s is for SATA3 and has been capped for a good time already.

  2. Performance consistency versus peaks by Wrath0fb0b · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For many (but certainly not all) applications, especially when it comes to UI, what matters is 95% worst performance, not peak throughput. From the Anandtech review, that's where this drive really shines.

    Different tradeoffs have to be made for different workloads -- it can't be boiled down to a single (or even a set of) number(s). Some applications are far more tolerant of worst-case performance than others.

    1. Re:Performance consistency versus peaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      For many (but certainly not all) applications, especially when it comes to UI, what matters is 95% worst performance, not peak throughput.

      Applications of porn acting being the notable exception.

  3. Overclocked? by mc6809e · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Running something at the speed it was designed and verified to run at by the maker isn't overclocking.

    1. Re:Overclocked? by Jeremi · · Score: 2

      Running something at the speed it was designed and verified to run at by the maker isn't over clocking.

      If Intel designs a component to run at speed X, then later finds out that it can run some of those components at speed 1.5X, and verifies and sells them at that higher-than-rated speed, I think it's fair to say Intel is over clocking. The only difference is that in this situation, the warranty will be honored if it stops working.

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  4. To little, too late. by Guspaz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Don't get me wrong, I own five discrete SSDs (all currently in active use), and they're all Intel (one G1, two G2s, and two 330s). However, I've been disappointed with Intel of late. It used to be that they came with a premium price, but also dramatically lower failure rates than the competition, and you could usually find them cheaper than the competition if you waited for the right sale.

    These days, however, Samsung's failure rates are lower than Intel's, and their price premium is so large that no sale is going to get their larger SSDs anywhere near as cheap as Samsung's. I was hoping that they might make a comeback with a new consumer model, but the 730 is a disappointment in terms of its extremely poor performance-per-dollar and capacity-per-dollar.

    I've bought nothing but Intel in the past, because they were the safe bet, but at this point it looks like my next SSD will be from Samsung.

  5. Re:The caps are electrolytic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yeah, anything less than 1 Farad is just ridiculous. No way I would hook my Blaupunkt up to that thing...

  6. Summary missed an important point by timeOday · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Not only is this "rated to endure at least 70GB of writes per day over five years," it also comes with a 5 year warranty. Given there's still skepticism about SSD reliability from some quarters, a 5 year warranty is unbeatable.

    I only wish Intel was offering this in a smaller size, say 100 GB. I think a SSD system drive + slow "green" HDD is a great combo in a desktop, and the price premium on this quality of SSD would be easier to swallow if the drive were $110 instead of $250 even though that would be the same $/GB.

    1. Re:Summary missed an important point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      I have no idea where this fascination of making windows boot 5 seconds faster and load up paint lighting fast comes into play, its often weeks if not months between times I reboot, and its all my space hungry big ass applications that are slow, not calculator

    2. Re:Summary missed an important point by timeOday · · Score: 2
      For me 80 GB is sufficient to store all the applications and data for my family except a few select "big" things that go on the HDD - my DVR recordings, my wife's flatbed scans of her illustrations, my son's screen recordings of minecraft... when the disk starts to get full, I find the offending directory, move it to the HDD and make a symlink. This is Linux; I find Windows to be a terrible drive space waster, and it just grows forever as you apply patches and service packs.

      Laptops are obviously more difficult, since no HDD. I found a 250 GB SSD to be somewhat tight on my OSX laptop for work - much happier now with 500 GB.

  7. Re:The caps are electrolytic by arielCo · · Score: 4, Informative

    tl;dr: these are storage caps, which don't endure the ripple currents that kill filter caps.

    Electrolyte decomposition is usually caused by high ripple current, which is why caps pop mostly (only?) when used as filters, as in motherboard DC-DC converters and gadgets powered by wall-wart adapters. In this particular application, the PSU impedance is quite low and the caps are handled by on-board regulators (V=Q/C and all that), so there's no load ripple and the caps just have to sit pretty and charged with insignificant heat losses until the computer is shut down or outage occurs. Maybe that's why Intel didn't even bother to use the solid (polymer) kind.

    If these caps dry out due to age or bad quality they just won't hold as much charge for emergency sync'ing, which is still better than ordinary SSDs/HDDs with no caps.

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  8. Re:The caps are electrolytic by arielCo · · Score: 4, Informative

    The caps only need to supply enough juice to sync the RAM buffers to flash to ensure consistency of its internal block-mapping metadata (the filesystem should handle the rest through journaling and whatnot). The caps are rated at 35v but let's assume that they're kept at 12v: E = (12 v)^2 * 47 uF / 2 = 3.4 mJoules. Even at full operating load that should last for half a millisecond counting losses, but when power goes out the drive is going to stop serving requests and all it has to do is write that 1 GB buffer to a few flash blocks. More than enough, methinks.

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  9. Re:The caps are electrolytic by tlhIngan · · Score: 4, Informative

    What happens if your superduper SSD develops bad cap syndrome?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    I am stil finding equipment with those sorts of failures today..

    Except those caps are Nippon Chemi-con. High end high quality capacitors made in Japan. And not the kind involved in the bad caps.

    Bad cap syndrome happens to the cheap caps - stuff like CapXon (aka CrapXon) and such.

    In fact, a lot of bad caps you're finding are the cheap crap ones by the crap manufacturers. You can easily buy them and they will fail.

    That's why you'll find people inspecting caps - and seeing if it's Nippon Chemi-con, Rubycon, Panasonic/Matsushita or other Japanese brand. (You can almost generalize it to those whose brands contain "con" in their name are higher quality - from when they used to be called condensers. The cheap brands all tend to have "cap" in their name).

    So no, I don't see the caps being the weak point because Intel went and spec'd top-quality caps.

  10. random vs sequential by roc97007 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > Although the drive boasts exceptional throughput with random I/O, its sequential transfer rates are nothing special."

    But good random access will give you better overall performance in most cases. You rarely need to deathmarch through the drive.

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  11. No kidding by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What you discover with SSDs is that for desktop usage pretty much any drive is "fast enough" and that faster doesn't much matter. I went from a SATA-2 SSD that was fairly slow even for that generation (WD Siliconedge) to a SATA-3 SSD that is fairly fast for this generation (Samsung 840 Pro) and I don't notice any difference. I can benchmark a difference, but I don't see any difference in load times and so on. SSDs are fast enough that they are making themselves not the bottleneck.

    That's also why there isn't a ton of interest in the PCIe SSDs. You can get way more performance, but it is a somewhat limited set of scenarios (on the desktop at least) where that would matter.

    1. Re:No kidding by Luckyo · · Score: 4, Informative

      The much bigger reason for lack of interest in PCI-E SSDs is inability of that interface to pass on TRIM commands in the current implementations. In home use that is of far greater importance to speed over drive's life time than theoretical read and write times.

    2. Re:No kidding by nateman1352 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Citation Please.

      In truth current gen PCIe SSDs appear to the OS as a PCIe bus connected AHCI controller with a single disk that supports TRIM. There makes it completely transparent... it works exactly the same as a SATA SSD from a software perspective.

      Pretty soon we will start seeing next gen PCIe SSDs that expose themselves as an NVMe controller instead of an AHCI controller. Those SSDs will be backwards incompatible with AHCI but the command protocol and DMA interface enables extreme parallism so we will see pretty incredible performance for those SSDs. From a software stack perspective they use a new NVMe host controller and a new command set (ATA commands are completely gone!) So you need new drivers for it. They have OSS Win7/8/8.1 drivers available for NVMe but due to kernel limitations only the Win8/8.1 version of the driver is capable of supporting TRIM (Maybe that is where you got confused.) Win8.1 also have a NVMe driver in-box from Microsoft.

      Don't worry though, AHCI PCIe/SATA Express SSDs will be with use for a very long time esp. since Win7 is rapidly turning in to the next WinXP (the version that everyone likes and uses despite Microsoft's best efforts.)

    3. Re:No kidding by Bengie · · Score: 2

      The main improvement is not the extra bandwidth provided by SATA3 but the improved caching using on-board DRAM and improved handling of background processes to shuffle data around. These only affect write speeds, read speeds are mostly unchanged.

      At the moment PCI-E SSDs are fairly pointless because the performance bottleneck is the write speed of the SSD. In benchmarks on an empty, virgin drive write speeds of 550MB/sec are not uncommon, but once the drive starts to get full up and blocks need shuffling or partially re-writing the performance drops to less than half that on most drives.

      Most benchmarks that I've seen of Samsung, Intel, and other top end drives, which also tend to be some of the cheapest, is they have almost no discernible difference in performance in synthetic benchmarks, even up to 95%+ capacity. They tend to have enough spare space set aside to handle shuffling around data.

  12. New standard: SATA express by IYagami · · Score: 2, Informative

    There is a new standard which will increase SATA speed ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S... )

    Currently, Apple computers use PCIe SSD disks, which increases their performance:

    http://www.anandtech.com/show/...

    "I'm very pleased with Apple's PCIe SSD, at least based on Samsung's new PCIe controller. Sequential performance is up considerably over last year's 6Gbps SATA drive. Go back any further and the difference will be like night and day, especially if you were one of the unfortunate few with an older Toshiba drive. Internal transfers are quicker, but to actually use the new SSD to its potential you'll really need a very fast external Thunderbolt array - even USB 3.0 can't completely tax it. There's still a lot more investigating that I want to do on Samsung's new controller, but my early results look very promising. It's sort of crazy that Apple now ships a mainstream consumer notebook with a PCIe SSD capable of almost 800MB/s. Now that Apple is off SATA, scaling storage performance should be much easier to do going forward. "

    1. Re:New standard: SATA express by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      If it's a PCI-e port on a cable, does that mean you can plug non-storage devices in too? I can see applications for things like video walls or GPGPU number-crunchers, where very 'sata' port is potentially a way to cram another video card in.

      And yet, that exists today, it's called Thunderbolt. Which is effectively a PCIe x2 over a cable. Thunderbolt drive arrays exist for performance gains that go beyond what SATA has and all that.

  13. Re:The caps are electrolytic by ericloewe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A quality electrolytic capacitor will last a long time.

    The ones used here look like Nippon Chemi-Con, rated at 105 C. They'll most likely last forever.

  14. Re:The caps are electrolytic by ericloewe · · Score: 2

    To be fair, an HDD can use its platters as a flywheel to quickly flush its (relatively tiny) buffer. I never did see proof that that was ever done, though.

  15. Re:The caps are electrolytic by tlhIngan · · Score: 3, Informative

    To be fair, an HDD can use its platters as a flywheel to quickly flush its (relatively tiny) buffer. I never did see proof that that was ever done, though.

    None used it to flush the cache because it is too risky - the platters are not maintaining a fixed speed (they're slowing down to generate electricity) so writes to platters become tricky as the timing is off which means you can overwrite more than you expect.

    Far better to just dump the buffers.

    In fact, the electricity generated by the spinning platters slowing down is used to park the heads - it's called an emergency head park because it basically dumps the electricity into the voice coil that flings the heads to the mechanical stops in the park area. It's fairly violent and most hard drives have much less emergency head park life than standard power down (where the drive moves the heads to the parking area in a controlled fashion) life - a drive may have 50,000+ head load/unload cycles, but under 10,000 emergency park cycles.

    You can tell because a soft-park makes only the smallest of clicking sounds on a drive when it spins down. But emergency park it and it's a much louder clunk.