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Ancient Chinese Mummies Discovered In Cheesy Afterlife

astroengine writes "The world's oldest cheese has been found on the necks and chests of perfectly preserved mummies buried in China's desert sand. Dating back as early as 1615 B.C., the lumps of yellowish organic material have provided direct evidence for the oldest known dairy fermentation method. The individuals were likely buried with the cheese so they could savor it in the afterlife. Although cheese-making is known from sites in northern Europe as early as the 6th millennium B.C. and was common in Egypt and Mesopotamia in 3rd millennium B.C., until now no remains of ancient cheeses had been found."

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  1. Is it edible by optimus_phil · · Score: 2

    I can see this selling as one of those new prolong your life foods

    1. Re:Is it edible by OakDragon · · Score: 2

      I can see this on my pizza.

      Ask your mummy to make you one.

  2. rennet by ruir · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Just a quick note, rennet was/is not made of one enzyme in the intestine of bovines, but of one in the stomach. The article got it wrong. It is rather interesting they were using kefir for cheese making...ovo-lacto vegetarian cheese lol

    1. Re:rennet by Sique · · Score: 2

      Cheese is always ovo-lacto-vegetarian. It is the epitome of an ovo-lacto-vegetarian diet.

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    2. Re:rennet by LordLucless · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not if they're using animal rennet to set the curd. Modern cheeses often don't, but it was the standard method in traditional cheesemaking.

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    3. Re:rennet by hawkinspeter · · Score: 2

      Most modern cheeses still use animal rennet. Typically, it's just the cheeses labelled as vegetarian that use an alternative to rennet. e.g. Parmesan cannot even be called Parmesan unless it's made with rennet.

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    4. Re:rennet by wiredlogic · · Score: 3, Informative

      Most modern cheeses still use animal rennet.

      It depends on how strict your country is on the definition of "cheese". In the EU it's more common because of protectionist policies. The world supply of rennet is too low, however, to meet the demand for cheese so most cheeses are curdled with synthetic rennet or alternative coagulants. Currently only 35% of world cheese production uses animal rennet.

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    5. Re:rennet by wiredlogic · · Score: 2

      I found it here. I assume the cheese heads maintaining that wiki have reasonably up to date figures.

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  3. And Modern Chinese have no Native Cheese by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    My wife is Chinese and I was under the impression that China is the only major country without its own native cheese. Contrast with France or the US.

    Not a place Wallace and Grommet would go on vacation.

    1. Re:And Modern Chinese have no Native Cheese by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      My wife is Chinese and I was under the impression that China is the only major country without its own native cheese. .

      Lactose intolerance?

      No. Many Chinese people are lactose intolerant, but most cheese contains very little lactose. Generally, Chinese people just don't like cheese. I think it is cultural rather than genetic, since most ABCs (American born Chinese) that I know do like cheese. The mummies were Caucasian, as were the people that lived 3600 years ago in what is now northwest China.

    2. Re:And Modern Chinese have no Native Cheese by orzetto · · Score: 4, Informative

      Indeed that is correct, Chinese do not like cheese. However the mummies are from the Xiahoe tomb complex in the Xinjiang, whose name in Chinese means "New Frontier". People there are more central Asian than Han Chinese, and China gained control of the area only in the 17th century. Still today, Chinese characters are used side-by-side with Arabic in street signs and such (see Urumqi train station for example).

      Point being, culture there is different, and was not even in contact with Han Chinese at the time of the mummies.

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    3. Re:And Modern Chinese have no Native Cheese by JoeMerchant · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's a cultural thing, passed down from the 17th century BCE when the mob would kidnap people who didn't pay their debts, haul them out to the desert and bury them to "sleep with the cheeses."

      The "why" has been forgotten, but the distaste for cheese lingers on.

    4. Re:And Modern Chinese have no Native Cheese by Guppy · · Score: 2

      Indeed that is correct, Chinese do not like cheese.

      Although, there's been quite a push in recent times to increase consumption of dairy products, coming from several different directions. From the government, who would like to introduce a new revenue source to farming (the urban-rural income gap is an increasing problem), as well as a new protein source to their citizens; from consumers with increasing exposure to Western influences (and the advertisers that would like to sell to them); from parents wishing their children would grow up taller than the previous generation. Even from young girls hoping to grow bigger boobs.

      The most successful cheeses thus far seem to be the milder-tasting types. Things like mozzarellas, or soft cheeses suitable for desserts and cheesecakes. Unfortunately, these are also the cheeses highest in lactose -- the great majority of Chinese are lactose intolerant.

  4. "so they could savor it in the afterlife." by kruach+aum · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Unless there is there are contemporary written accounts available of ancient Chinese burial rites, how could anyone possibly know this?

    1. Re:"so they could savor it in the afterlife." by captainpanic · · Score: 2

      Why else would someone put cheese on a dead body?

      Perhaps as a final act of revenge? The archeologists should prove that it is particularly stinky cheese to make that plausible.
      Or perhaps it is the ultimate preservative: bacteria rather starve to death than eat a dead body covered in that cheese.

  5. If we got an inept individual as the emperor ... by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 2

    Chinese philosophy, even today and which makes it so amenable to communism, is to favor central authority over individualism. Whether that philosophy is for the best remains to be seen. Western attempts at the same resulted in concentrating power in inept individuals

    The Chinese do not fear inept individuals as emperors. They fear emperors who have too many of those "bright ideas" which often result in the death of untold millions.

    The last "Emperor" that the Chinese had had was Mao, and under his tutelage, more than 60 million Chinese perished, mostly of starvation.

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  6. Re:More likely is that the reason is... by thoughtsatthemoment · · Score: 2

    Incorrect. Among Chinese philosophies, Daoism prefers naturism and promotes following one's own nature while checking one's own will, while Confucianism and Legalism favor central government with different approaches.

  7. Get the cheese to sick bay! by bickerdyke · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Get the cheese to sick bay!

    I know I'm showing my age, but that was one of the most popular memes back on Fido-Net... Anyone else remembers that?

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  8. Maybe not cheese, maybe a tool? by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 5, Informative

    It is rather interesting they were using kefir for cheese making

    Yes, this is actually the most interesting finding here, since what they discovered probably wouldn't be recognized as normal "cheese" by many people. It's not like they found a small wheel of cheddar placed lovingly on the chests of bodies. Rennet-based cheeses are what most people in the Western world think of when they hear the word "cheese," or perhaps artificially acidified cheeses, like mozzarella or paneer.

    This "cheese" (if indeed that's what it was -- see below) was produced by a slower acidification from fermentation. Then presumably it was strained or dried to separate the solids. The closest approximation for people unfamiliar with kefir would be to take a bunch of yogurt, put it in some cloth, then hang it and let the liquid drain out for a couple days, going past the point of thick "Greek yogurt" to a drier texture. (Technically, this makes labneh, a Middle Eastern-style fresh cheese.) It's a different type of cheese from rennet-based cheeses, but one more common in traditional cultures around the world.

    For those not familiar with traditional kefir, it's very different from the store-bought stuff. It depends on a starter composed of "kefir grains," which is essentially a small mass of colonies of many types of microorganisms, which look like a group of small pearl-like things with a rubbery texture. They are very stable and durable, able to be rejuvenated after drying out, freezing, or even being "starved" for months.

    The reason this is relevant to the story is that these kefir grains, to my knowledge, have not been replicated using modern scientific methods, despite many attempts. (Most "starters" for things like sourdough bread, yeast for wine, or common fermentations for milk like yogurt, can be cultivated fresh with only minimal effort from the naturally occurring organisms on flour, grapes, or milk.) In kefir, there are too many bacteria in a symbiotic relationship, and scientists still haven't managed to figure out how to get them to create these grains by themselves. The only way to get traditional kefir is to get some grains from someone. (The store-bought stuff is produce, like yogurt, just by using a small number of bacterial strains for fermentation under controlled conditions.)

    Because of the difficulty in reproducing traditional kefir grains, there are all sorts of origin myths about it -- stories about it coming from medieval Georgia or the armies of Genghis Khan or whatever.

    Anyhow, what I wonder from reading the story is how exactly they know this is "cheese" and not merely a dried form of kefir grains? In the era before refrigeration, kefir grains were essential to preserve fresh milk for later consumption, and where highly prized. There are all sorts of traditional stories from these cultures about people stealing kefir grains, because you couldn't just make new ones easily. You had to get them somewhere.

    So, the question that occurs to me is -- why do we assume this is food for the afterlife? Why not consider the possibility that these people were given a gift of kefir grains (in a concentrated dried form) to carry with them to the afterlife -- an essential food preserving and processing tool, which could not be simply "made." It was something you had to carry with you, something you had to get from a previous batch of kefir, so maybe this was the only way to get it to the afterlife.

    That would be my first thought, if I found this stuff.