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Water Filtration With a Tree Branch

Taco Cowboy writes "Dirty water is a major cause of mortality in the developing world. 'The most common water-borne pathogens are bacteria (e.g. Escherichia coli, Salmonella typhi, Vibrio cholerae), viruses (e.g. adenoviruses, enteroviruses, hepatitis, rotavirus), and protozoa (e.g. giardia). These pathogens cause child mortality and also contribute to malnutrition and stunted growth of children.' People have been working on engineering cheaper and cheaper filtration systems for years, but now a group of researchers has found a promising and simple solution: a tree branch. 'Approximately 3 cm^3 of sapwood can filter water at the rate of several liters per day, sufficient to meet the clean drinking water needs of one person.' 'Before experimenting with contaminated water, the group used water mixed with red ink particles ranging from 70 to 500 nanometers in size. After all the liquid passed through, the researchers sliced the sapwood in half lengthwise, and observed that much of the red dye was contained within the very top layers of the wood, while the filtrate, or filtered water, was clear. This experiment showed that sapwood is naturally able to filter out particles bigger than about 70 nanometers.' The team tested E. coli-contaminated water, and the branch was able to filter out 99 percent of the bacterial cells."

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  1. First time? by DogDude · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If this is true, then this is a really profound discovery that could help millions of people.

    What I'm wondering, is why no other society, that we know of, has discovered this low-tech, yet seemingly incredibly useful thing previously?

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    1. Re:First time? by i+kan+reed · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ideas can be publicized, studied in more detail, or put to good use, without being truly new.

    2. Re:First time? by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 4, Interesting

      24So the people grumbled at Moses, saying, "What shall we drink?" 25Then he cried out to the LORD, and the LORD showed him a tree; and he threw it into the waters, and the waters became sweet.

    3. Re:First time? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      If this is true, then this is a really profound discovery that could help millions of people.

      What I'm wondering, is why no other society, that we know of, has discovered this low-tech, yet seemingly incredibly useful thing previously?

      Maybe because all of the other materials and equipment required to make it work.

      You mean like some sort of cutting implement to cut down the branch?

      I think the hatchet was invented at least 10 years ago?

    4. Re:First time? by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 5, Informative

      If this is true, then this is a really profound discovery that could help millions of people.

      What I'm wondering, is why no other society, that we know of, has discovered this low-tech, yet seemingly incredibly useful thing previously?

      Well, I learned this technique as part of my Aboriginal American studies when I was growing up -- I think it's more likely that our western culture has "lost" this knowledge than that nobody has discovered it before.

    5. Re:First time? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 5, Funny

      1) Someone mentions a new discovery.
      2) Find a passage in the Bible containing the (rather common) keywords, without actually using your brain to check that the passage has identical informational value.
      3) ???
      4) Prophet!

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    6. Re:First time? by Ex-MislTech · · Score: 2

      There are other methods like slow sand filter, bio sand filter, and solar disinfection.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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      being in most plastic bottles.

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    7. Re:First time? by hawguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If this is true, then this is a really profound discovery that could help millions of people.

      What I'm wondering, is why no other society, that we know of, has discovered this low-tech, yet seemingly incredibly useful thing previously?

      For one thing, it doesn't filter viruses, so maybe it's already been evaluated and dicarded as a good solution. From TFA:

      Karnik says sapwood likely can filter most types of bacteria, the smallest of which measure about 200 nanometers. However, the filter probably cannot trap most viruses, which are much smaller in size.

      So it's of limited utility, since, as the summary says, common pathogens include viruses (e.g. adenoviruses, enteroviruses, hepatitis, rotavirus) -- for example, rotavirus is around 30nm in size, less than half the effective filtering size of the wood.

      So the water will probably still need chemical or UV treatment after filtering.

      Plus it's not clear how well it would work in the field, when the scientists built their filter:

      They cut small sections of sapwood measuring about an inch long and half an inch wide, and mounted each in plastic tubing, sealed with epoxy and secured with clamps.

      So while wood as a filter medium sounds attractive, if the user needs specialized equipment to get it to make a safe, water-tight seal, maybe it's not as useful in an area with limited resources.

    8. Re:First time? by MightyYar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When people have to hike for miles to find wood for cooking fires, I'm not sure that fresh cut wood is all that practical.

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    9. Re:First time? by MightyYar · · Score: 2

      If you have access to trees, plastic tubing, and some kind of sealant, then yeah, you probably have access to other methods... like boiling. I'm not saying this has no use, but in the crowded conditions where clean water is most needed it probably isn't practical as presented.

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  2. Time to watch Nausicaä again by hort_wort · · Score: 3, Informative

    "It's so beautiful. It's hard to believe these spores could kill me."

  3. Re:Most common pathogens by fustakrakich · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...I hope it leads to cheap and widely accessible drinking water.

    Coca Cola and Pepsi will do all they can to make sure that never happens. Water is big business. That is why access is so difficult.

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  4. Re:Take That, Capitalists! by Flatwater · · Score: 5, Funny

    Filtering out "99%" of harmful bacteria may be like filtering out 99% of bullets fired at you....

  5. Wooden chopping boards. by Jason+Pollock · · Score: 5, Informative

    Trees are great at dealing with bacteria.

    We soon found that disease bacteria such as these were not recoverable from wooden surfaces in a short time after they were applied, unless very large numbers were used. New plastic surfaces allowed the bacteria to persist, but were easily cleaned and disinfected. However, wooden boards that had been used and had many knife cuts acted almost the same as new wood, whereas plastic surfaces that were knife-scarred were impossible to clean and disinfect manually, especially when food residues such as chicken fat were present.

    http://faculty.vetmed.ucdavis....

  6. Re:Take That, Capitalists! by CanHasDIY · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Filtering out "99%" of harmful bacteria may be like filtering out 99% of bullets fired at you....

    So, I take it you're not a fan of Lysol or Purell?

    What a silly thing to say; as if not filtering 99% of something harmful is a better idea...

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  7. Somebody Probably Thought of That by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Somebody probably thought of that" is more likely to be untrue than true. You probably are the first person to think of that. And even if you aren't you might be the first person to act on the idea. And even if you aren't you might be the first person to succeed where others have failed. And even if you aren't, you might learn something. So don't ever say that, "somebody probably thought of that."

    Filtering water through wafers of wood is not obvious to me. I do engineering for a living. If you are wondering why no one ever discovered something before, go back to paragraph one and repeat.

    1. Re:Somebody Probably Thought of That by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It *is* obvious - after a fashion - since plants are generally doing just that; i.e., they use their root systems and cappilaries to absorb water including some impurities up to a certain size. The issue of "can we cut away a part of a plant tissue and filter water through it?" is probably more of a quantitative nature, rather than qualitative. As in, what is the filtering capacity? Does it clog? If it does, how often does it need to be changed? Does it rot? If so, how often does it need to be changed? The qualitative issues here seem to be "given that we're killing the plant, how does it affect the filtration process?" and "what preparation techniques can we employ to increase the practicality?". It's not that we don't have any filtration media, it's about how our knowledge and manufacturing processes make the individual filtration media more or less practical.

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  8. Re:Take That, Capitalists! by Rhacman · · Score: 4, Funny

    Take what? Take their money to the bank when their plastic funnels and tree-branch-filtration kits sell like hotcakes to the very folks hoping to, ahem, "stick" it to the man?

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  9. Re:Take That, Capitalists! by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 2

    Well, it's not completely free -- someone likely owns those trees. And people living in desert regions of the world don't have easy access to sapwood -- nor do people in parts of the world where the sapwood is of the wrong consistency in local trees (hardwoods, for example).

  10. The article refers to an article with pictures by ansak · · Score: 3, Informative

    The article quoted above points to a paper that has some diagrams that shows how water would go through a branch -- no hoax here.

    In brief, find a stalk of sappy wood -- my Dad showed us every spring how to make a whistle out of alder branches that look what the picture shows -- peel it, whittle it to size and then plug it into the end of a tube and gravity feed water through it.

    simple...ank

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  11. Re:Pour water through the branch? by sdoca · · Score: 2

    If you'd RTFA, you'd know they put branch into a tube (fit tightly) and fed the water thru it that way.

  12. Re:Take That, Capitalists! by alta · · Score: 2

    Yes, it is. And I'd rather be hit by the one bullet than all 100 of them. I'd stand a much better chance of living.

    Especially since there's a much better chance of your body's natural defenses defeating that 1%

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  13. Re: Most common pathogens by spune · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There already are low-cost, natural water filtration techniques being used across the world that produce clean water at a higher rate, like biosand filters. For water projects i have previously worked on, how quickly water is purified has been a significant practical concern for the folks who would benefit from the project. That was the reason that solar stills were dismissed, for example; they require more effort and materials to construct, but even then have a higher flow rate than the xylem filter. Also, how often the filter must be replaced is another big practicality issue.

  14. Re:Take That, Capitalists! by gnick · · Score: 2

    Maybe so, but do you blend bleach into all of your drinking water?

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  15. Re:Take That, Capitalists! by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

    I'm pretty sure that law enforcement (in the US) and military (anywhere) would frenetically jump at the idea of body armor capable of reducing the probability of bullet injury by 99%.

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  16. Lack of information by Immerman · · Score: 4, Informative

    You can make a pretty decent biofilter simply by folding a piece of cotton cloth such as an old Indian sari a few times - it'll remove 99% of cholera and many other particularly nasty infectious agents. Yet people are still getting infected because they don't know about the simple solution - it's not a technology problem, it's a public information problem. And spreading public service announcements among a population where where most people don't even own a radio is a serious challenge. Doable, but expensive and there's no profit in it, so it usually falls to small humanitarian organizations that do their best to make the information go viral, and usually fail. Getting a meme to go viral is a lot more difficult when it can only spread through face-to-face interactions.

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  17. Re:Most common pathogens by jpvlsmv · · Score: 4, Funny

    Water-borne pathogens in the kingdom Animalia are usually called "predators" rather than "pathogens". But yes, pathogens such as A. Mississippiensis can be filtered from the water with an appropriately-sized tree branch.

  18. Re:Take That, Capitalists! by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

    Maybe so, but do you blend bleach into all of your drinking water?

    What, you don't?

    If hydrating doesn't result in debilitating stomach cramps, you're doing something wrong, bro.

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  19. Re:Tapping water from a tree a well known techniqu by shaitand · · Score: 2

    Welcome pedant, thank you for joining the party. Note how you had to pretend you didn't know the intention of the writer, that's the part where you can tell you've added no value to conversation.