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U.S. Students/Grads Carrying Over $1 Trillion In Debt

An anonymous reader writes "Time reports that American students and grads were carrying $1.08 trillion in student loan debt at the end of 2013. This compares to just $253 billion a decade earlier. Aggregate debt grew 10% in the past year alone. 'By comparison, overall debt grew just 43% in the last decade and 1.6% over the past year.' About 70% of students graduate with some amount of debt, and the average amount owed is $29,400. 'Delinquencies on student loans have risen dramatically over the past decade: 11.5 percent of graduates were at least 90 days late on paying back their loans at the end of 2013, compared with 6.2 percent delinquencies on student loans in 2003. Moreover, the Fed's figures on delinquencies hide more stark data: nearly half of all students with debt aren't currently in repayment thanks to deferments and forbearances and the fact that students are not expected to pay while they're in school.' An attached graph shows an alarming spike in delinquent loans that looks a bit like mortgage delinquencies did at the beginning of the sub-prime crisis."

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  1. Tell me again... by PmanAce · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Tell me again why college in the US costs sooooo much? It's not like you are getting a super special top notch education that is not comparable to top Canadian universities for example.

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    1. Re:Tell me again... by FriendlyLurker · · Score: 5, Insightful
      And Australia, and Spain and... is anyone surprised. Slavery is abolished, Long Live Modern Debt Slavery.

      See America’s Education Deficit and the War on Youth

    2. Re:Tell me again... by zippthorne · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because every time the price goes up some politician has the brilliant idea to either 1) make loans more available or 2) make more "free money" (i.e. grants and subsidies) available.

      Since neither of those is "building new colleges" or "training new professors" the existing colleges snap up this money through higher fees. This eventually may result in some increased build-out, but it seems to go slowly enough that they can keep the prices rising faster than inflation.

      Worse, one of the ways in which they have "made loans more available" was to legislate that student loan debt cannot be discharged through bankruptcy.

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    3. Re:Tell me again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "nobody forces you to take student loan" is a common false choice being pushed on nearly all forums that bring up this enormous problem. If you think it is not a forced choice, you have not been paying attention...

    4. Re:Tell me again... by cold+fjord · · Score: 5, Informative

      Tell me again why college in the US costs sooooo much?

      Colleges need to adapt so that university education doesn't become too expensive for all.

      . In his book on administrative bloat, The Fall Of The Faculty, Johns Hopkins professor Benjamin Ginsberg reports that although student-faculty ratios fell slightly between 1975 and 2005, from 16-to-1 to 15-to-1, the student-to-administrator ratio fell from 84-to-1 to 68-to-1, and the student-to-professional-staff ratio fell from 50-to-1 to 21-to-1. Ginsberg concludes: "Apparently, when colleges and universities had more money to spend, they chose not to spend it on expanding their instructional resources, i.e. faculty. They chose, instead, to enhance their administrative and staff resources."

      And when they had less money to spend, they did the same thing.

      Administrator Hiring Drove 28% Boom in Higher-Ed Work Force, Report Says

      University Administrative Glut Worse Than We Thought

      Over the last 25 years the number of administrative employees at U.S. colleges and universities more than doubled, according to a joint study by the New England Center of Investigative Reporting and the American Institutes for Research. The ratio of nonacademic positions to faculty positions doubled at both public and private institutions. Overall, the industry has added an average of 87 administrative positions per day, a rate has scarcely slowed since the economic downturn, despite tuition increases. Even more surprising, academic institutions have added more administrative employees despite part-time faculty taking on more teaching duties than full-time professors.

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    5. Re: Tell me again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Education isn't about "complexity" or "sophistication" required in a job. Having a degree is an indication to the HR of the company you interview with that you're mentally stable enough to put up for long periods of time with a system of arbitrary regulations and useless effort in exchange for very little.

    6. Re:Tell me again... by Berkyjay · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yeah, either go to school to get a normal job or become a Walmart or McDonald's drone working for the minimum and collecting food stamps. You and everyone else around you convince yourself that if you work hard and get a good job you can easily afford the loans. But working hard usually means that you can barely work on the side to make a living. So then you're forced to take loans out just to cover living expenses. So you work hard, bust your ass and end up with a butt load of loans and no guarantee that your hard work will produce enough income to cover the massive amount of debt you incurred. The smart thing that I've been telling my nieces and nephews is to look at college as something you do in your 20's. Go to community college on your own money and take your time. Work your way into a better school and try to get as many grants as possible. Then by the time you're 26-27 you might get into state and only have a year or so to get a bachelor's. The you can work your way into grad school. The trick is to not feel the pressure to get school over quickly and to get all of the filler stuff out of the way on your own dime. Wait until grad school to take out loans or hopefully you'll have performed well enough to earn your way through grants. It works, I have a good friend do exactly that. Zero debt. It just sucks that I never figured this out sooner.

    7. Re:Tell me again... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 5, Interesting

      So why isn't supply responding to the glut of money? It's had decades.

      Accreditation is a legally-sanctioned cartel.

      I followed a small startup school for a while in the mid 90's - they tried for years to get accreditation as college and ultimately folded because they could not get it. The education was fine, but they dared to allow students to take classes online (c.1996) which was seen as too much of a threat to the cartel.

      A degree from a non-accredited school is maligned, so without a marketable service they had to go out of business.

      So: "because the politicians want it that way" is the actual answer to your question.

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    8. Re:Tell me again... by rts008 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      No kidding.
      I was working at OSU (Oklahoma State University) about 4-5 years ago when the annual raises came out.[1]

      The 'President', Hargis got a raise of a little over $150,000.00 a year. He was already making a 7 figure salary, while the faculty got a 2-3% raise, and the staff got none.(again, after not getting a raise for 3 years previously)

      [1] I had been working there several years at this point, and still work there, but no longer(as of Feb. 09, 2014) as an OSU employee, they subcontracted out the dept. I work for(Custodial and Housekeeping) to save money, Pres. Hargis has recieved a minimum of 5% raise each year, while staff and most faculty salaries remain frozen, or 2% maximum.
      When I was hired, they had to give me a raise within 2 months due to the minimum wage going up from $6.90/hr to $7.25/hr. As of the Feb. takeover, I was making $8.25/hr after almost 6 years there.(before everyone started leaving due to the 'takeover', I was only making $7.65/hr-my pay had only gone up $0.40/hr over 5+ years there. After a lot of people started leaving, they gave us remaining fools a substancial(compared to what we were used to) raise to encourage us to stay.(I got bumped from $7.65/hr to $8.25/hr then) We have been at %50 (or less) of req'd. manpower since mid-May 2013. We(OSU) just completed a several million dollar 'campus beuatification' upgrade, amid a lot of other new multi-million dollar construction projects, including the new Boone Pickens Stadium that made news(even front page on slashdot!) recently for being 'unfriendly' to scouts and media.

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    9. Re:Tell me again... by Nephandus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You call that debt free?!

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  2. Re:Lessons Learned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No. It's not the borrowers who get bailouts -- it's the lenders.

  3. Re:Post Bush by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But in 2005, Congress and the Bush Administration clamped down on bankruptcy filings, placing hurdles in the path of Americans trying to file and making it more difficult to discharge debts. In particular, the 2005 law made private student loan debt, like federal student loans, impossible to discharge in bankruptcy except under a difficult to meet hardship exemption. Today, bankruptcy allows for the discharge of credit card debt and auto loans but not student loan obligations. At the same time, the law permits judges to modify loans used for commercial real estate, vacation homes, and even yachts, but not a family’s primary residence. Two of the largest investments Americans make in order to enter the middle class – in their homes and their educations – are thus excluded from the relief offered to other debtors.

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  4. Where all that money went by Boawk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The government has essentially taken over the academic loan business in order to make funds more readily available to a greater number of people seeking a college degree. The result of this easy money? Not only this debt crisis but also college tuition and fees inflated at four times the rate of cost-of-living inflation. Way to go government intervention!

  5. Re:Post Bush by tlambert · · Score: 5, Interesting

    But in 2005, Congress and the Bush Administration clamped down on bankruptcy filings, placing hurdles in the path of Americans trying to file and making it more difficult to discharge debts. In particular, the 2005 law made private student loan debt, like federal student loans, impossible to discharge in bankruptcy except under a difficult to meet hardship exemption.

    The lead-in for this, which made it possible in the first place, was the 1999 Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act, signed by Bill Clinton, which is what allowed the merger that led to the legislation. This effectively turned credit card debt for students who shouldn't have been offered credit cards in the first place to be non-dischargable by bankruptcy (effectively turning uncollateralized loans into collateralized ones).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G...–Leach–Bliley_Act

    Frankly, there's no difference between the parties; they both work for the banks.

  6. Re:Easily available loans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because their parents don't either. At 12 they might have understood. They forgot by 18. Just look at the number of adults with mortgages for 20+ years. Better yet, ask someone "how much interest are you paying on your mortgage". If you ask me, I'll say $12'000. It's a $450'000 purchase, a $230'000 mortgage, I'll pay an average of 3.5% interest per year, I'll have paid it off in 10 years.

    But ask anyone else, and in my position they'll say 3.5%. They forget the "per year" part of that entirely. So they take 20 years, or 30 years, instead of my 10 years, and instead of paying $12'000 total interest on $230'000 total loan, they pay closer to $100'000 total interest, or 40%!

    I don't think you understand this as well as you think you do. The person who gets a 30-year loan at a 3.5% rate is almost certainly doing much better than you, despite having to pay more total interest.

    Let's look at some numbers. Your plan requires a monthly payment of $2274 every month for 10 years. Their plan requires a monthly payment of $1033 every month for 30 years. If they put the $1241 per month saved into an investment that gives 4% NOMINAL returns per year (which is quite a low rate of return historically speaking), then after 10 years, here is how their finances compare to yours:

    You: No mortgage, no additional assets
    Them: A debt of $178,082 and an investment worth $185,947.

    As you can see, if they then pay off the principal, they end up almost $9000 ahead of you. If you factor in inflation, or assume annual returns better than 4%, the situation swings even further in favor of the 30-year mortgage. For example, using the 9.5% historical annual returns of the S&P 500, the person with the 30 year mortgage ends up $54,000 ahead of you after 10 years.

    Note: In reality, banks charge a higher rate for the 30-year mortgage for exactly this reason.