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Men And Women Think Women Are Bad At Basic Math

sciencehabit writes "Think women can't do math? You're wrong — but new research (paywalled) shows you might not change your mind, even if you get evidence to the contrary. A study of how both men and women perceive each other's mathematical ability finds that an unconscious bias against women — by both men and women — could be skewing hiring decisions, widening the gender gap in mathematical professions like engineering."

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  1. Participation awards for boys! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Because we all know that women are better than men at some things, but men are never better than women at anything.

  2. Suck at maths....no arthimetic by Chrisq · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What a shame that "ability at maths" is seen by TFA as the ability to "add up sets of two-digit numbers in a 4-minute math sprint".

  3. Re:In my experience by jbmartin6 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My experience is that math gets easier the more you do it. In other words, practice makes perfect. I've also noticed that people who are inclined to accept "I am just not good at math" are less likely to put in the work and train their brains to think in math, and thus never learn it. I would not be surprised to find that the stuff the article talks about leads to more females taking that excuse and opting out of math rather than putting in the work.

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  4. Don't be so harsh ... by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I worked as a part time waiter while I was in college. One night I was waiting on a party of over 40 people (5 tables in all) and when I added up the final bill (it was in the '70s and there was no PC-based POS back then) manually (over 80 items in total, including drinks and desserts ) and handed it to the folks, an old guy looked at the bill and scolded me for "not doing it right".

    I was right and he was wrong, but, as he was the customer, I couldn't tell him that his math sux, so I did the next best thing - I call the manager and let him add up the total bill.

    It came up the same. (I did say I was right).

    The moral of this story is ... don't be harsh.

    Joe sixpacks don't do much math, and you don't get them to do extra-ordinary level of math without them feeling very sorry for themselves.

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  5. uhh by buddyglass · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Think women can't do math?

    Hardly anyone thinks this because there is ample evidence to the contrary. Moreover, the average woman is probably about as good at math as the average man. But when you're hiring in a "mathematical profession" you're not looking at the entire population; you're looking at the set of men and women with relatively high mathematical ability. Within that set, at least in the United States, men outnumber women. This could very well be the result of socialization; I'm not necessarily arguing from physiology. But it's hard to argue with numbers. The ratio of men to women among the set of SAT takers with a perfect math score, after adjusting for the fact that more women than men take the SAT, is 2.5 to 1. So, all else being equal we should expect about 28% of engineers and mathematicians to be women. Interestingly, if you look at the percentage of Math Ph.D.s granted to U.S. citizens (in 2010) women earned exactly 28%. With respect to engineering and computer science, approximately 20% of bachelors degrees (in 2008) were granted to women, so there may be work to be done there. My guess is that this is due to the stereotypical reputations of CS/Engineering (bearded hackers with poor hygiene and huge egos) being less appealing to women than to men.

  6. Some women are _very_ bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    My ex-girlfriend was once helped through a math problem by her teacher, and they figured out that the solution was the half of x, so the teacher told her to write that down.

    She wrote down '/'.

  7. Re:Obligatory xkcd by retroworks · · Score: 5, Funny

    Obligatory RTFA, (the comic is at the top of the second link)

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  8. Re:In the USA by operagost · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Are they better at the social sciences? Because the dudes you have in charge down there are total idiots.

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  9. Re:Math ? by Princeofcups · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But it is plural - Mathematics

    In the rest of the world its called Maths

    The rest of the world do not all speak English. Pedantic pedantics.

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