Russian Civil Law Changed By Wikimedia

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Russian Civil Law Changed By Wikimedia

Posted by Unknown on Thursday March 20, 2014 @04:38AM from the sudden-outbreak-of-sane-copyright-law dept.

An anonymous reader writes "Changes to the Russian Civil Code, which include the recognition of open licenses, the right for libraries to generate digital copies of certain works, were now signed by the Russian President and come into force on October 1st. According to Wikimedia-RU member Linar Khalitov, 'these changes are a result of a lot of hard work on behalf of Wikimedia-RU ... proposing, discussing and defending amendments to the Code.'" The changes are pretty major: licenses no longer require a written contract to be enforced, and published works can no longer be retracted. The two combine to give Wikipedia RU authors stronger author rights. Pictures of architectural objects can be used freely without the permission of the architect, which will allow many images that were pulled from the Wikimedia Commons to return, and new projects to add pictures of monuments to go forward.

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Well done, Vladimir! by Hognoxious · 2014-03-20 04:42 · Score: 4, Insightful

This more than makes up for invading a neighboring country - I mean another one - and nearly starting WW3!

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1. Re: Well done, Vladimir! by Anonymous Coward · 2014-03-20 04:44 · Score: 0
  
  Who says WWIII isn't coming soon? Especially when we find out who shot down that plane.
2. Re:Well done, Vladimir! by Anonymous Coward · 2014-03-20 04:48 · Score: 0
  
  You still believe that RF army invaded Autonomous Republic of Crimea?
3. Re: Well done, Vladimir! by lgw · 2014-03-20 05:05 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  Russia is a regional power. They will certainly start a war, but it would take insanity on our part that matches or exceeds Putin's to turn it into a world war.
  
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4. Re:Well done, Vladimir! by Anonymous Coward · 2014-03-20 05:06 · Score: 5, Informative
  
  It is not a question of belief. When Russian forces stepped off the leased military bases in Crimea, Ukraine, and also flew in more forces into Crimea, Ukraine, to take control, yes it was an invasion. Crimea was an autonomous region in Ukraine, not a separate country.
5. Re: Well done, Vladimir! by K.+S.+Kyosuke · 2014-03-20 05:15 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  Russia is a regional power.
  So was Austria-Hungary...
  
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  Ezekiel 23:20
6. Re: Well done, Vladimir! by LordLimecat · 2014-03-20 05:16 · Score: 1
  
  Plus a whole lot of conviction and leadership that we just dont seem to have. But hey, I hear the administrations convinced Netflix to pull Putin's membership the next time he invades a country, so thats something.
7. Re: Well done, Vladimir! by Anonymous Coward · 2014-03-20 05:23 · Score: 1
  
  We should codify that only USA and its current allies have right to invade other countries and to decide if popular vote results are correct or not.
8. Re: Well done, Vladimir! by davester666 · 2014-03-20 05:24 · Score: 1
  
  Yes, it will totally be the west's fault if WW3 starts because of Putin's annexations [already he's looking at east/north Ukraine to "protect" the russian-speaking people there].
  
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9. Re: Well done, Vladimir! by jeffmflanagan · 2014-03-20 05:27 · Score: 1
  
  You're coming across like the American far-right. Tyrants appeal to the worst of us.
10. Re: Well done, Vladimir! by lgw · 2014-03-20 05:27 · Score: 1
  
  Shall we commit all our military might to protect Ukraine? Domino theory? We're halfway through gutting our military, so it wouldn't be a quick war, and I'm not sure we'd win. Sounds crazy to me.
  
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  Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
11. Re: Well done, Vladimir! by Anonymous Coward · 2014-03-20 05:39 · Score: 0
  
  Even Ukrainian citizens don't want to support current antidemocratic regime in Kiev.
  http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26653295
12. Re: Well done, Vladimir! by LordLimecat · 2014-03-20 05:56 · Score: 2
  
  Im far-right because Im disappointed with the tepid, half-hearted, laughable response we've given over the invasion of a country that we encouraged to disarm? (Ukraine underwent disarmament in 2005 at the behest of (along with Senator Lugar) senator Obama)
  But that wouldnt be the worst of it, if we were just going to be scumbags and say "nuts to you, we dont care what Russia does". No, we decided that we care, but we cant actually back our bravado up with any real consequences, with the result that we now look impotent as Russia completely ignores both our threats and our weak sanctions (oh no, sanctioning 12 individuals!). One wonders how cheaply Russia will acquire the next country, and whether we will draw additional imaginary lines for those as well.
13. Re:Well done, Vladimir! by H0p313ss · 2014-03-20 06:07 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  And Kosovo was an autonomous region in Serbia for hundreds of years. How many bombs did USA and its vassals drop on Yugoslavia to change that?
  Unless there have been mass executions of Russian ethnic civilians in Crimea that I've missed, it's not really a fair comparison is it?
  
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14. Re: Well done, Vladimir! by radarskiy · 2014-03-20 06:15 · Score: 1
  
  Clearly, the proper US response should be to reclaim British Columbia back to 54 deg 40 min north.
15. Re:Well done, Vladimir! by Anonymous Coward · 2014-03-20 06:21 · Score: 0
  
  Your right, the Crimea thing was unprovoked and not a response to the EU and US trying to get the Ukraine to join NATO, something that was agreed wouldnt happen because Vlad didn't want american nukes on his back porch..
  please actually read past the sensationalist news headlines and look at the history of the area its self and look deeper into the world's political soap opera.
  ps. it isn't helping when EU and US officials are pushing Russia with Sanctions that may cause it to gain a closer relationship to iran and cause Vladimir to ignore the trade sanctions with Iran concerning its nuclear program.. the world is bigger than just one issue, we should treat it as such and try to understand how all of these events are interconnected.
16. Re: Well done, Vladimir! by DNS-and-BIND · 2014-03-20 06:29 · Score: 1
  
  And we will completely fail to notice that Russia, unlike Austria-Hungary, lacks a huge neighbor with a professional military that is 100% willing to go to war on her behalf. Nope, good enough for people who got Cs in history!
  
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17. Re:Well done, Vladimir! by Anonymous Coward · 2014-03-20 06:36 · Score: 0
  
  The treaty between Ukraine, the (then) Autonomous Republic of Crimea and The Russian Federation allows for a permanent deployment of up to 26,000 soldiers. As long as there were were than 26,001 soldiers deployed (and there were) Russia was in compliance with that treaty.
  It's quite difficult to on one hand make claims about respecting Ukraine's territorial sovereignty, while on the other, completely dismissing Crimea's (then) status of a self-governed autonomous republic. The Crimean parliament asked for Russian support, the Crimean parliament has that authority, that's the point of autonomy, if Kyiev can simply overturn the decisions made by the Crimean parliament, it is effectively disregarding Crimean autonomy, it's also worth correcting you on the matter of Crimea having been an self-governing autonomous republic, not an autonomous region. Sevastopol is a (semi) autonomous region there's a difference
  It also wasn't an annexation. The people of Crimea made their voice heard, and used democratic process. If nothing else, the Crimean re-unification has more legitimacy than the Maidan coup d'état.
18. Re:Well done, Vladimir! by dunkelfalke · 2014-03-20 06:36 · Score: 1
  
  Nearly starting what please? The annexation of Crimea was so far bloodless. Compare that to Iraq and Afghanistan.
  
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  "It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
19. Re:Well done, Vladimir! by genepro77 · 2014-03-20 06:52 · Score: 1
  
  We don't usually "invade" countries who can fight back ;) Especially Russia, who can even defeat us. All cost considered.
20. Re: Well done, Vladimir! by genepro77 · 2014-03-20 06:57 · Score: 2
  
  Just out of curiosity ... which particular quality of us, americans, entitles us to pass judgement and "care" what Russians do in their corner of the world? It would be very much curious to what we would do if we didn't like the behavior of one of our neighbors, like Cuba, for example. We would never dare to invade! Wait...
21. Re:Well done, Vladimir! by Hognoxious · 2014-03-20 06:58 · Score: 1
  
  The annexation of Crimea was so far bloodless.
  Some specific part of NEARLY giving you trouble?
  
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  Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
22. Re:Well done, Vladimir! by dunkelfalke · 2014-03-20 07:03 · Score: 1
  
  Yes, your definition of "nearly".
  
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  "It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
23. Re:Well done, Vladimir! by Anonymous Coward · 2014-03-20 07:11 · Score: 0
  
  What executions? Wesley Clark propaganda much? And what is the difference from the international law point of view? And when Kosovo will be given back to Serbia?
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/323420.stm
24. Re: Well done, Vladimir! by Luckyo · 2014-03-20 07:28 · Score: 1
  
  Bad news. Putin is not insane. That is the dumb propaganda line meant for the ignorant or those who like to believe that world is simple, and that anyone who has an opposing point of view can only be "insane".
  He's logical leader who believes first and foremost in his national interest. We have a lot of same kind of leaders, through they are generally much weaker and less capable of strategic calculations that Putin. As a result, there's absolutely nothing against someone like Bush starting a world war three because he thinks Russia won't reciprocate in kind.
25. Re: Well done, Vladimir! by Luckyo · 2014-03-20 07:30 · Score: 1
  
  Doesn't matter. They are our stooges. We will stand by them.
26. Re:Well done, Vladimir! by afxgrin · 2014-03-20 07:47 · Score: 1
  
  However, Kosovo didn't join the United States, nor was that ever the goal.
27. Re:Well done, Vladimir! by Anonymous Coward · 2014-03-20 08:04 · Score: 0
  
  Russia doesn't do fair elections, not while Putin has been in charge. Do you really believe that 97% of the Crimean population wanted to join Russia? That's an absurdly high percentage. The referendum needed to take place before Russian forces took control of Crimea to have any real legitimacy.
28. Re: Well done, Vladimir! by Anonymous Coward · 2014-03-20 08:28 · Score: 0
  
  He's logical leader
  
  With you so far...
  
  who believes first and foremost in his national interest.
  Sorry wut??? This is a kleptocrat worse than Bush, probably level with Mr Halliburton Cheney. He only thinks of the Russian national interest in so far as he feels that he, the czar, owns the place. He personally owns huge parts of Gasprom and most of Russian military intervention in the last years (including the Ukraine takeover) has largely been designed to push up the price he sells gas at.
29. Re:Well done, Vladimir! by unixisc · 2014-03-20 08:33 · Score: 1
  
  Russia has all the real estate in the world to host all software liberators in the world. In fact, all that the Kremlin has to do is outlaw all ownership of all intellectual property, and everybody who violates it in their own countries can move to Russia, where they'd no longer be in violation of their country's law. Russia can then become the world's new fountainhead of knowledge.
  Also, maybe RMS could get a home in Chechnya
30. Re: Well done, Vladimir! by unixisc · 2014-03-20 08:37 · Score: 1
  
  They are more than regional - they are now the world's #1 power. I'd hardly call a nation capable of causing damage in places as varied as Ukraine, Syria, Tajikistan, China, Korea and Alaska as regional
31. Re: Well done, Vladimir! by unixisc · 2014-03-20 08:38 · Score: 1
  
  Okay, China may not go to war for Russia, but is there anything major that China & Russia differ on today?
32. Re:Well done, Vladimir! by Anonymous Coward · 2014-03-20 08:41 · Score: 0
  
  Self-governing regions, whether called republics or whatever, generally don't get to ask foreign militaries for "assistance". (Did Crimea have it's own foreign affairs?) And when that foreign government "assists" by sending in troops to secure the local government's power and help it achieve independence, it's still an invasion.
  Which isn't to say Crimea shouldn't be able to decide whether to be independent, part of Russia, part of Ukraine or anything else. But that shouldn't be done while foreign troops are on the ground, free debate is squelched, and there's little discussion about what form the referendum should have taken.
33. Re:Well done, Vladimir! by unixisc · 2014-03-20 08:47 · Score: 1
  
  You are conflating Kosovo w/ Bosnia. Unlike Bosnia, which was a separate republic, Kosovo was an autonomous republic, and an integral part of Serbia, until the US decided to recognize their independence. Nor was there a genocide there, except of Serbs by Albanians. So why is Kosovo entitled to self determination, but not Russia?
34. Re:Well done, Vladimir! by Anonymous Coward · 2014-03-20 08:52 · Score: 0
  
  How about Haiti in 1994?
35. Re: Well done, Vladimir! by LordLimecat · 2014-03-20 08:57 · Score: 1
  
  At this point it isnt relevant. We announced to the world that we DO care, and have shown an inability to enforce our will: that weakens our position in foreign relations substantially.
  Its also pretty weak to justify Russia's bad behavior by pointing out some of ours. Are you aware of the atrocity of the trail of tears? Or that that in no way justifies Hitler's conquest of europe and the holocaust?
36. Re:Well done, Vladimir! by TrueRecord · 2014-03-20 10:03 · Score: 1
  
  Russia did not invade it. Russia has been there for centuries and for the recent decades the Russian fleet has been there in accordance with the intentional treaty between Ukraine and Russian. It would further have been that way if the Ukrainian nationalists had not proposed to ban the Russian language and the Russian people that is a majority in some of the lands. And many people did not what to be associated with the heirs to the Hitler's former Nazist ally which now took power in Kiev. So the Crimea revolted and sought independence. Being always Russian they naturally wanted to 'go home' and reunite with Russia.
37. Re: Well done, Vladimir! by lgw · 2014-03-20 10:09 · Score: 1
  
  Dictators don't care about national interest, but personal interest. Nothing about invading Ukraine helps the average citizen (wait, Putin calls them "subjects") of Russia - it's empire building for the boss.
  Sane people don't further their personal interest at the cost of the deaths of thousands or millions.
  
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  Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
38. Re:Well done, Vladimir! by shutdown+-p+now · 2014-03-20 10:25 · Score: 1
  
  Yes, and Kosovo was also invaded by NATO forces.
39. Re: Well done, Vladimir! by Anonymous Coward · 2014-03-20 10:50 · Score: 0
  
  Godwin'd in 3 posts. GOOD JOB.
40. Re: Well done, Vladimir! by genepro77 · 2014-03-20 11:49 · Score: 1
  
  Who's tears? What this has to do with Hitler? Are you folks are really that brain washed?! Or you still think we are living in a paradise of democracy ? Try this: start saying what you really think and see how fast you will be shut up and will lose your job etc.
41. Re: Well done, Vladimir! by murdocj · 2014-03-20 13:16 · Score: 1
  
  Try running for president in Russia and spending the rest of your life in jail.
42. Re:Well done, Vladimir! by murdocj · 2014-03-20 13:18 · Score: 1
  
  Yeah, the Serbs were just engaged in "ethnic cleansing". We should have done what most people do when someone is getting mugged, and just looked the other way. Right?
43. Re:Well done, Vladimir! by Anonymous Coward · 2014-03-20 13:27 · Score: 0
  
  ..which more than makes up for a Western sponsored coup in Ukraine, and staged Russian "terrorist" attacks in Ukraine.
44. Re: Well done, Vladimir! by Anonymous Coward · 2014-03-20 13:57 · Score: 0
  
  So what do you think the US should do? Start a World War? Why don't you travel over there and join the Ukraine army? Seriously, the stupid hawks in the US have to realize that they do not have the right or ability to control what happens in every corner of the globe.
45. Re:Well done, Vladimir! by cheesybagel · 2014-03-20 14:51 · Score: 1
  
  Yeah. It only became a puppet state like the Republic of Abkhazia.
  Puerto Rico joined the US though.
46. Re: Well done, Vladimir! by manu0601 · 2014-03-20 14:54 · Score: 2
  
  Russia is able to grant asylum to Snowden, while China wanted him to leave Hong Kong to avoid upsetting the US too much.
47. Re:Well done, Vladimir! by mirix · 2014-03-20 16:51 · Score: 1
  
  Kosovo was only made autonomous during communist yugoslavia, so sometime after 1943. I don't remember when exactly.
  before that it was always part of serbia, since middle ages. (though all of serbia was under ottoman rule for many years).
  
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48. Re:Well done, Vladimir! by afxgrin · 2014-03-20 17:37 · Score: 2
  
  Still incomparable:
  a) Kosovo doesn't share a border with the United States
  b) Crimea had an ethnic cleansing attempt by the Russians - you can't argue that Kosovo had all sorts of Americans move to Kosovo to make a majority American population so they can vote to be annexed by America....
  c) Kosovo is recognized by 108 UN member states. Crimea ... I think only by Russia so far.
  d) Kosovo, another "autonomous region" was part of a country that was falling apart. Funny how Milosevic revoked Kosovo's autonomous status triggering the breakup of Yugoslavia to further his "Greater Serbia" agenda.
  e) If you want to compare Puerto Rico, I guess lets go back to the 19th century and compare things:
  The Imperial census of Crimea in 1897 found that the population of the governorate consisted of 1,447,790, with 762,804 male and 684,986 female.
  Language Number Percentage (%)
  Ukrainian (Little Russian) 611,121 42.21
  Russian (Great Russian) 404,463 27.94
  Belarusian (White Russian) 9,726 0.67
  By this standard Crimea belongs to Ukraine.
  It is grossly undemocratic and unethical to hold a referendum in Crimea when:
  1) the Parliament of the so called "autonomous region of Crimea" was raided by Russian paramilitaries
  2) the federal government which the "autonomous region of Crimea" lies within: Ukraine, is under civil strife and is holding elections in a few months.
  3) Russia itself conducts massive military exercises near the border, in addition to holding a port they lease from the Ukrainian government while having their own forces step off the base and surround Ukrainian military bases.
  For the above reasons no one at the UN should recognize Russia's annexation of Crimea, and no referendum result should be observed until Ukrainian federal elections are held under international supervision until international observers agree on the election result. All of this is bullshit otherwise.
  "Russian self defence forces" - what a fucking joke.
49. Re: Well done, Vladimir! by Hognoxious · 2014-03-20 22:52 · Score: 1
  
  How many nuclear missiles did Austria-Hungary have?
  
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50. Re: Well done, Vladimir! by Hognoxious · 2014-03-20 22:57 · Score: 1
  
  Agreed. Anything more than a few dozen is just vulgar.
  
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  Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
51. Re: Well done, Vladimir! by Anonymous Coward · 2014-03-21 00:04 · Score: 0
  
  Yes, a "regional" power as big as a half of europe and asia put together, with an amount of natural resources of any kind (energy, rare earths, precious metals, whatever) that the US can only dream of, with an average 5% growth rate in the last decade, almost no public debt, a defense budget that has been tripled since 2000, and with nuclear capabilities sufficient to turn any other country in the world (US included) into ash.
  "Regional" powers have very long dicks nowadays.
52. Re:Well done, Vladimir! by Hognoxious · 2014-03-21 01:09 · Score: 1
  
  The Crimean parliament asked for Russian support, the Crimean parliament has that authority, that's the point of autonomy
  
  Foreign policy is one of the things that autonomous regions generally don't have power over; if they did, they'd be actual countries.
  The Crimean parliament had no more right to call in the Russians than Lincolnshire County Council has to request Norwegian military intervention.
  
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  Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
53. Re:Well done, Vladimir! by Hognoxious · 2014-03-21 01:18 · Score: 1
  
  Then you should learn the correct one.
  
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  Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
54. Re: Well done, Vladimir! by Luckyo · 2014-03-21 01:48 · Score: 1
  
  Yet all of the major Western powers are guilty of this. Are we all insane? And when you live in the world full of insane murderers, what good is it to be the only sane person?
  As for your strange quip, "subject" is a legal term used to describe those citizens who are subject to laws of the land in certain languages. Russians tend to use very formal language on governmental level. The english term is used in the same way in UK. Essentially you're bitching about a cultural difference, but misattribute it to Putin himself.
  Here is an example of the usage of the term:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
55. Re:Well done, Vladimir! by unixisc · 2014-03-21 04:00 · Score: 1
  b.) Crimea's ethnic cleansing happened during the Stalin era, so trying to correct that would make about as much sense as trying to roll back the borders of Islam to Mecca. The whole idea of bringing ex Crimean Taters from Uzbekistan to Crimea is a bad one
  c.) Far more members reject Kosovo's declaration for various reasons. The legitimacy of their claim is about as much as Crimea's. Also, the West has a double standard - Albanian Muslims in Kosovo have a right to 'self-determination', which includes bullying Macedonia, while in Bosnia, Serbs in Srpska don't have the right to secede and join Serbia (a la Crimea)
  d.) The Soviet Union vs Yugoslavia analogy is quite good. So a Slovenia seceding was equivalent to Latvia or Ukraine seceding. However, Kosovo couldn't secede from Yugoslavia, since it was a part of Serbia, just like Chechnya couldn't secede from the Soviet Union since it was a part of Russia
  2) How does what's happening in Kiev have anything to do w/ what's happening in Crimea and Sevastopol? The people there didn't like the regime change in Kiev, so voted to switch countries. Something that even Srpska should be allowed to do, if it was so good for Kosovo
  3) That port and everything there is Russian built & made. Ukraine's ownership of the Crimea itself is a hangover from something Nikita Khrushchev did when he came to power, completely ignoring the fact that the peninsula was heavily Russian, not Ukrainian, not Tater.
  I agree that Russia should avoid doing anything in Ukraine proper, and let them sort out their problems. However, as far as Crimea goes, it's about as Russian as Krasnoyarsk.
56. Re: Well done, Vladimir! by LordLimecat · 2014-03-21 04:40 · Score: 1
  
  Do you really not know what the Trail of Tears is?
  
  Try this: start saying what you really think and see how fast you will be shut up and will lose your job etc.
  I do. Ive had discussions about this -- and far more controversial-- topics with government coworkers. I still have a job, though basically everyone at my gov't job is aware Im not a big fan of Obama or basically any of his policies.
  Are you really so ignorant that you dont see a difference between countries like Russia where you can be imprisoned for criticizing Putin, and the US where criticizing Obama is par for course in the media?
57. Re: Well done, Vladimir! by Anonymous Coward · 2014-03-21 08:17 · Score: 0
  
  Gennady Zyuganov, Mikhail Prokhorov, Vladimir Zhirinovsky, Sergey Mironov. Any of them in jail?
How nice by cold+fjord · 2014-03-20 04:43 · Score: 0

Just think of all the additional territory that legal reform applies to as of today .... and maybe more next month?

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1. Re:How nice by genepro77 · 2014-03-20 07:12 · Score: 1
  
  And the US should be concerned why ? Of course as long as it civil and bloodless.
Vandalism! by Anonymous Coward · 2014-03-20 04:45 · Score: 1

Their changes will be reverted for not being notable.
Russia has very low rule of law by sinij · 2014-03-20 04:49 · Score: 1

Russia has very low rule of law, as such if this was ISO spec - they are not following it.
People crushing on Russia.... by Anonymous Coward · 2014-03-20 04:55 · Score: 0, Troll

...... Russia crushes people with sence! They took over Crimea without a fight, unlike the west who frees an area by destroying it and enforcing it's own will on it! Russia annexed an area without this..... sure..... there is a bit of side details, but still...... they are doing it better then any western country so far!
1. Re:People crushing on Russia.... by Anonymous Coward · 2014-03-20 05:23 · Score: 0
  
  You'll have to forgive the West for its shortcomings. They are not as practiced in imperialism as Russia is these days. The West hasn't even been annexing territory in which it takes military action against dictators slaughtering people. What kind of a beginner mistake is that? Russia, on the other hand, comes like a thief in the night to steal the jewels of other countries. I can understand your admiration.
2. Re:People crushing on Russia.... by Anonymous Coward · 2014-03-20 05:28 · Score: 0
  
  How many people did Russia kill abroad since the end of USSR and how many people was killed by the USA in the same time?
3. Re:People crushing on Russia.... by genepro77 · 2014-03-20 07:16 · Score: 1
  
  Well, not a fair comparison, given that Crimea was Russian for 2,5 centuries and has a Russian population majority. If Russia dared to behave like us in Iraq or Afganistan the hysteria in the media would be 100 times louder ))
4. Re:People crushing on Russia.... by Issarlk · 2014-03-23 01:13 · Score: 1
  
  "military action against dictators threatening to sell their oil for something other than dollars"
  
  Fixed that for you.
Stronger author rights... by ackthpt · 2014-03-20 04:59 · Score: 1

So long as they don't run afoul of Mr. Putin's views. Or views of people who believe they may be acting sympathetic to Mr. Putin's views.
It's like a double edged sword, sharper on one side, but blunt on the other.

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1. Re:Stronger author rights... by genepro77 · 2014-03-20 07:22 · Score: 1
  
  There is no difference between Putin's views and any other national leader who care. The difference here is that Russia, supposedly "defeated" in the Cold War dares to challenge the US and not play along anymore. This the root of all bitching that we enjoy since the beginning of Ukranian crisis.
In Soviet Russia ... by PPH · 2014-03-20 05:06 · Score: 2

... published works take down you!

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Why bother? by T.E.D. · 2014-03-20 06:35 · Score: 1

It sounds like they went through a lot of effort to make this agreement with Russia. Why on earth someone would do that, when the country doesn't operate under Rule of Law anyway? The current regime has shown time after time that it considers itself bound neither by its own laws, nor its signed treaties. When a company starts to do well, they nationalize it and throw the former owners in jail. When they want some territory, they take it.
If you agree to any of their laws or treaties, they only bind you, not them. So why bother agreeing to anything with them?
1. Re:Why bother? by shutdown+-p+now · 2014-03-20 10:27 · Score: 2
  
  First of all, this was spearheaded largely by the Russian Wikipedia.
  Second, while law is "flexible" in Russia, it's nowhere near as bad as you make it sound. Basically, when it gets political, then all bets are off, but otherwise rule of law applies. And even for political cases, they try to make some semblance of due process.
2. Re:Why bother? by Bite+The+Pillow · 2014-03-20 10:56 · Score: 1
  
  No worries, mate. I just reverted the change.
3. Re:Why bother? by T.E.D. · 2014-03-20 11:35 · Score: 1
  
  There's no such thing as almost having Rule of Law. If the laws don't apply to the powerful, then you don't really have laws. Constraining the powerful is what laws are for. The powerful don't need protection.
4. Re:Why bother? by shutdown+-p+now · 2014-03-20 11:52 · Score: 1
  
  By your definition, no country in the world has rule of law, since for every single one you can find some exception where someone got off.
5. Re:Why bother? by Anonymous Coward · 2014-03-20 12:07 · Score: 0
  
  You aren't catholic, are you?
  
  The inequality of rights and of power proceeds from the very Author of nature, "from whom all paternity in heaven and earth is named."[8] But the minds of princes and their subjects are, according to Catholic doctrine and precepts, bound up one with the other in such a manner, by mutual duties and rights, that the thirst for power is restrained and the rational ground of obedience made easy, firm, and noble.
  
  http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13apost.htm
6. Re:Why bother? by Anonymous Coward · 2014-03-20 13:41 · Score: 0
  
  So why bother agreeing to anything with them?
  For the same reason many countries have alliances and treaties with the US. It's not because they want to befriend a war monger. America goes into Iraq and Afghanistan because it can. It doesn't matter whether the locals agree with it or not. This whole illusion of peace in the world is just that - it's soft war, as destruction of infrastructure is taboo for many. There's never been peace. "Peacetime" is just economic and social warfare.
7. Re:Why bother? by Anonymous Coward · 2014-03-20 14:02 · Score: 0
  
  You're right. The powerful warmongering types from Wall st. don't need protection. I'm sure they provide their own.
Lies. by Anonymous Coward · 2014-03-20 11:34 · Score: 0

Russia did not "invade a neighboring country". Cremia is a part of Russia, by history and by overwhelming popular choice. (The same applies to Ossetia as well.)
--libman
Re:Good to be back by Anonymous Coward · 2014-03-20 11:54 · Score: 0

To the next 9/11 or other bombings by religion of peace.
Has anyone paid any attention by Anonymous Coward · 2014-03-20 15:14 · Score: 0

YOu do realize that there are other new agencies in the area asking questions to the people of Crimea? Not that one can believe they're not being forced to say nothing but nice things about joining Russia. But the people in the region consider themselves Russian and what to associated with Russia, and there was a vote.
It could be a play be Russia, to end the unrest in Ukraine, that still doesn't give them the right to invade. The US does the same, and uses the excuse "we tried peaceful means""they are a threat to us"I believe Russia tried this, and the unrest continued.
You have non-uniformed "Russian backers", on top of covert military, and plain uniformed troops, and it is only getting worse, with groups claiming to be Putin backers just doing whatever they want. And reports are leaking out that these forces are executing citizens as well as Ukrainian troops. The US should stay out of others BS and worry about continuing to fuck up there own country, being sarcastic, since they do nothing to correct problems/issues.
1. Re:Has anyone paid any attention by Hognoxious · 2014-03-21 00:57 · Score: 1
  
  But the people in the region consider themselves Russian and what to associated with Russia, and there was a vote.
  
  A vote in which the two options were "join Russia now" and "join Russia next week".
  Of course no independent observers reported any coercion or other irregularities, so it must have been perfectly fair.
  
  --
  Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Re:Good to be back by TrueRecord · 2014-03-20 16:51 · Score: 1

Russia was and still is by far the truest and the strongest ally of the US.
From the very beginning of the US as an independent country till now.
It is Russia that helped the young American country determine its own future when the Civil War broke out between the southern and northern states. Russian ships came to protect the American shores to prevent England and France from the interference with the Civil War.
Also but for Russia you'd have been enslaved by the German Nazis or still at war with them at best.
Russia is your best friend stupid )
What makes you think that Russia is your enemy anyway?
Re:Good to be back by Elky+Elk · 2014-03-20 23:17 · Score: 1

You seriously think the Russian navy could have stopped Britain or France?
Re:Good to be back by TrueRecord · 2014-03-21 00:32 · Score: 1

It did not matter. Anyway that was a demonstration of force of the county that had before proved its power, good will and obligations of an ally. And it was effective.
What really matters is that the Soviet Russia did defeat the German war machine and its ruthless ideology in 1941-1945. And today's differences pale when compared with those deeds before.
Imo, Russia is the last hope of mankind :-) concerning freedom, privacy, knowledge, peace, children, love, sincerity, the truth and so on :-) I really want Russia to be Russia than like an ordinary state.
Anyway, how does it feel for the US to support the right wing crazy nationalists in Kiev proud of their founders that collaborated with the SS and used to kill the Poles, Jews, muscovites?
How does it feel to support the guys in Kiev who now rule there without the people's mandate, for nobody elected them to power? They just grabbed it.
It's beyond me.