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Smartphone Kill-Switch Could Save Consumers $2.6 Billion

itwbennett (1594911) writes "Creighton University professor William Duckworth has released a report finding that kill-switch technology that remotely makes a stolen smartphone useless could save American consumers up to $2.6 billion per year — mostly from reduced insurance premiums. Duckworth estimated that Americans currently spend around $580 million replacing stolen phones each year and $4.8 billion paying for handset insurance. If a kill-switch led to a sharp reduction in theft of phones, most of the $580 million spent on replacing stolen phones would be saved. And a further $2 billion in savings could be realized by switching to cheaper insurance plans that don't cover theft."

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  1. Go to hell by tom229 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Remote wiping is already possible. What they want is centralized control over the functionality for governing purposes. We're not idiots. Well... not all of us.

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    1. Re:Go to hell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Problem reaction solution... create the problem, wait for the reaction from the public demanding something be done about it, implement draconian agenda that the public would otherwise have opposed if it had been proposed without the problem stage. Cell phones and smart phones are just over glorified tracking devices. They happen to have some pragmatic uses and they're really convenient, but they're also really convenient for the new fascist surveillance state that has emerged.

    2. Re:Go to hell by imrahilj · · Score: 2

      Well said. Apparently, the price of freedom (where smartphones are concerned) is only 2.6 billion dollars. That's a lot cheaper than the TSA, Homeland Security, or the wars we are waging right now.

    3. Re:Go to hell by Theaetetus · · Score: 2

      Remote wiping is already possible.

      Remote wiping protects your data. It doesn't destroy the value of the stolen phone. This would prevent the phone from being ever reused with a new SIM card, eliminating the market for stolen phones for anything other than scrap parts, and probably drastically reducing theft.

    4. Re:Go to hell by Kenshin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This goes a bit further than remote wiping.

      It's already somewhat available with iOS devices, and is completely under the user's control. Basically, without your AppleID and password, the phone cannot be wiped and reactivated by a thief, essentially making it a fancy paperweight. (So it's not really a "kill switch", just a really strong theft deterrent.) The owner can wipe it themselves remotely, for security, but it would still *also* require their AppleID and password inputted directly into the device to reactivate it.

      It's been working since September, and no one's found a way to bypass it. (Yet.)

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    5. Re:Go to hell by tom229 · · Score: 2
      It's easy to give away all your freedoms for minor conveniences and safety when you currently have nothing to hide. The problem is that, historically, liberty is given away with the stroke of a pen, but has to be taken back with the spilling of blood.

      One day you may have something to hide from the establishment. You want a concrete example? How about allegiance with a controversial political party? You don't have to go back very far in world history to find great examples of why a surveillance state isn't a good idea.

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    6. Re:Go to hell by daem0n1x · · Score: 4, Informative

      Or the rate of shootings that go up in cities where guns are banned.

      Chicago has the strictest gun laws on the planet and they are the murder capitol of the world.

      Utter bullshit.

      World cities by murder rate

      U.S. cities my murder rate

      Gun control state by state.

      Even in the most restrictive of your states (California) the gun laws are laxer than in most of the developed world.

    7. Re:Go to hell by swb · · Score: 2

      OPs point still stands, even though his facts are wrong. I think most of the countries on the top 50 list you cite have extremely restrictive firearms laws.

    8. Re:Go to hell by davester666 · · Score: 2

      Unless they can control when it goes off...

      I bet there would be actual fistfights over which federal agency would "oversee" this feature.

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    9. Re:Go to hell by ultranova · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If there was a way to guarantee this sort of "instant karma" justice then crime rates _would_ drop through the floor, trust me.

      Death for petty theft is neither karma nor justice. It's just you demonstrating exactly why we need chaos, for example in the form of the ability to sometimes get away with crimes: humanity can not be trusted with perfect control.

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  2. expect carriers to drag their feet. by Chrisq · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A stolen phone is an opportunity to sell a replacement - and maybe persuade someone to upgrade and go onto a new contract. The stolen phones are usually sold abroad or to people who would not buy an expensive phone otherwise, so its not much of a loss - they might even use more data!

    1. Re:expect carriers to drag their feet. by Chrisq · · Score: 3, Informative

      A stolen phone is an opportunity to sell a replacement - and maybe persuade someone to upgrade and go onto a new contract.

      In what way will remotely destroying the phone remove this revenue stream?

      By discouraging theft .... which is the whole point of the kill switch.

  3. consumers benefits? LOL! by Connie_Lingus · · Score: 2

    since when do our corporate overlords ever do anything that really saves the consumer money?

    a study needs to come out how such a technology will save the corporations billions...then perhaps a change will be made.

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  4. Sure by Arancaytar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are two ways such a kill-switch could go:

    1.) It can be circumvented with sufficient effort and hardware access. Then it is useless as a theft deterrent.
    2.) It cannot be circumvented. Then it renders the handset vulnerable to the malice or incompetence of whoever controls the killswitch, and thus useless.

  5. Great in Demonstrations! by andreas.hummelbrunne · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Instead of sending everyone in a defined area a "registration" Message, you can simply kill all phones of the protesters. That way there will be almost no footage of police violence and such! Let's not forget that the batteries of police cameras are always empty when it comes to such point.

  6. Markup by WPIDalamar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    >> $580 million replacing stolen phones each year and $4.8 billion paying for handset insurance.

    Whoa whoa whoa... If every person got insurance, that's over an 8x markup for insurance. Since many don't, it's even a higher markup.

    Here's an easy way to save $4.3B - Stop buying the insurance.

    1. Re:Markup by hendrips · · Score: 2

      It says that the phone owners themselves spend $580 million - it does not say how much Asurion (by far the largest handset insurer in the U.S.) pays. Asurion's website says they handle 30 million claims per year, though they don't say how many dollars they pay out, to give you an idea of the scale. Of course, you are still correct that the insurance is "overpriced" in the sense that the expected present value of the premiums is greater than the expected payment on claims; that's true of any insurance policy, which is why you shouldn't buy insurance for things you can pay for out of pocket. But I would guess, based on what I know about similar industries, that the markup more in the neighborhood of 30% + 10% kickback to the carrier, not 8x.

  7. Governments really like Kill-Switches too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah, I think we should bake this in to all phones so that big brother can kill your phone whenever he wants to. It'll be really useful for making any anti-government protests hard to coordinate.

  8. doesn't add up by ljw1004 · · Score: 2

    This doesn't add up...

    If the carriers currently take in $2bn in theft premiums but only pay out $0.5bn in payouts, then they're pocketing a huge $1.5bn/year difference. Therefore

    (1) We can expect them to lobby strongly against anything that will reduce this free money, and attempt to water down any proposed legislation

    (2) If the legislation goes through we can expect them to try to gain that money in different ways, maybe with a "remote wipe services fee"...

  9. I can save Americans $4.3B/year by loshwomp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Americans currently spend around $580 million replacing stolen phones each year and $4.8 billion paying for handset insurance.

    At that factor of 8, folks, is why insurance is a bad investment. Americans could save $4.3B per year by not buying insurance with a poor ROI.

  10. Beliefs by Decker-Mage · · Score: 2

    The annoying facet of this topic is the repetitious use of belief rather than actual data on whether this even works. Surely this regulation exists somewhere. I neither have, nor want, a phone.so I have no horse in this race. Ask yourself how many phones are going to be remote wiped and/or killed by silly users who "think" they have "lost" or had their phone stolen. Be interesting to see which groups are pushing, and who financing, this service. Cynical much? Why yes.

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  11. North Korea, Syria, Iran, Russia all disagree by PackMan97 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They think a centralized kill switch would be a FANTASTIC idea! Just brick the phones for anyone who dares challenge the state.

    I can really see how this might be useful in the US. Instead of the IRS investigating tea partiers, we could just selectively brick their phones. Or if you swing the other way, disable those iPhones from all those annoying hispter Occupy protesters. Seriously, you have an iPhone and you complain about the 99%? You are the 1% globally.

    1. Re:North Korea, Syria, Iran, Russia all disagree by jeffmflanagan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Of course that fear doesn't apply in the U.S. No one but the deeply paranoid wingnuts and the foolish cult of Greenwald dudebros are afraid of the "state" turning off their phone.

      The IRS didn't just investigate the teabaggers, they investigated political groups on the right and the left, it was just the mentally-ill right-wingers with their persecution complexes (we're not persecuting them, we're making fun of them and their superstitious, backward, bigoted beliefs) that went nuts over it.

    2. Re:North Korea, Syria, Iran, Russia all disagree by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They think a centralized kill switch would be a FANTASTIC idea! Just brick the phones for anyone who dares challenge the state.

      I can really see how this might be useful in the US. Instead of the IRS investigating tea partiers, we could just selectively brick their phones.

      Huh? A protestors phone is far more useful to a government if they can listen in and/or use it to track your movements.

      PS: If they want to stop you making calls they can already do that, but why would they? See above.

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    3. Re:North Korea, Syria, Iran, Russia all disagree by jmcvetta · · Score: 2

      Seriously, you have an iPhone and you complain about the 99%? You are the 1% globally.

      That may have been true five years ago; but it no longer holds today: http://www.theguardian.com/tec...

    4. Re:North Korea, Syria, Iran, Russia all disagree by maccodemonkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They think a centralized kill switch would be a FANTASTIC idea! Just brick the phones for anyone who dares challenge the state.

      I can really see how this might be useful in the US. Instead of the IRS investigating tea partiers, we could just selectively brick their phones. Or if you swing the other way, disable those iPhones from all those annoying hispter Occupy protesters. Seriously, you have an iPhone and you complain about the 99%? You are the 1% globally.

      Yes, with centralized accounts, routing and billing for cell networks, the government definitely is totally unable to disable phones of people they don't like without a kill switch. /sarcasm

  12. The last time I had phone replacement insurance by nctritech · · Score: 2

    The last time I had phone replacement insurance, I was paying almost $8 a month for it (I think that was with Verizon). I think I've used phone insurance one time in the 12+ years I've spent owning a cell phone. It seems absolutely useless for someone like me who puts the phone in a front pocket and actually takes care not to drop it or put it where it will end up in a toilet or sink or coffee cup or pool.

    Combine dropping the handset insurance with the 50%+ savings that are had by dumping the contract carrier and moving to a "prepaid" carrier and you've got enough saved cash after four months (at ~$48/mo saved) to PURCHASE A TOTALLY NEW PHONE. Not a cheap crappy one either: I remember Virgin Mobile had Samsung Galaxy S2 phones for $200 and Galaxy S3 phones for $300 at one point, both of which are really nice phones.

    As for kill switches...meh, just use the Android 4.x full device encryption.

  13. IMEI blacklists already do this. by Jason+Pollock · · Score: 2

    Databases already exist with stolen IMEIs. This will prevent those devices from registering on a carrier's network, rendering them wifi-only.

    Both systems require the owner to report the theft, which you wouldn't do if your phone is >2-3 years old - value is > insurance deductible.

    Since the existing systems are already not used, there won't be any change by any new system.

    http://www.t-mobile.com/verify...
    https://prod.eie.net.au/portal...
    http://www.imei.info/blacklist...

    The response is that thieves change the IMEI number (which can be hard). What is says is that any new system would have the same result - the thieves would change the identification number used to lock out the device.

  14. Why stop on cell phone kill switch by Trachman · · Score: 2

    While the cellphone kill switch is a fascinating and debatable idea, with trepidation I am waiting for the first study for human kill switch devices. We saw those prototypes in the movie The Running Man. They no longer need to be intrusive and look like dog collars. They can be discreet and miniature like cardiac pacemakers. The kill switch needs not be messy and explosive: all you do is switch off the current. Human Kill switches have enormous potential. If widely adopted, billions of dollars could be saved. For all kind of fugitives from justice. For example, Mr Snowden would not be an issue, nor any stolen information in his laptop or his head. You no longer go the hard way through extradition, all you do is let the authorization not to explode unlast. Application opportunities are just... boundless: kill switches can be customized to have automatic Taser installed, for example. Or, another thought: there would be no need to have vehicle kill switches, because it would be possible to control the driver who is controlling vehicles. Police would have no need to carry handguns anymore, because you could carry remote controllers. We are talking not billions but trillions of dollars in savings here.

  15. Massive Negativity by Galaga88 · · Score: 2

    You know, if humanity in general was as negative and paranoid towards every bit of technological change as the commenters on here trying to find every reason this won't work... We'd have never come out of the damned trees.

    My iPhone 5 has a killswitch through the form of iOS 7 and my iCloud account. I like this. If you're so damned determined to believe that this feature will only be used by the government to oppress you, why do you own a smartphone to begin with?

    1. Re:Massive Negativity by ichthus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      if humanity in general was as negative and paranoid towards every bit of technological change

      There was a time when the idea that the government would capture and store every phone conversation and email of its citizens was paranoid. There was a time, not too long ago, that nobody would ever have believed that we'd have naked body scanners at the airport -- people like you would call anyone claiming this as a possibility "paranoid." Drone surveillance of the masses? Paranoid. Law enforcement roadblocks for obligatory cheek swabs? Paranoid. National database of private medical records available to unelected government entities? Paranoid

      Fuck you and your labels -- you and your naivete. If a new technology can be used for control, obviously, it will be.

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    2. Re:Massive Negativity by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

      But it's a separate problem from giving consumers a kill-switch on their phone in case it gets stolen.

      I think your problem is in assuming that the consumer will have any access to the kill-switch at all. Likely, we won't, and if we do, it will be via an intermediary at the carrier. Which, as anyone who deals with these telcos every day can tell you, means the same thing as not having access.

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    3. Re:Massive Negativity by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

      I have a kill-switch, right now, and I have control over it.

      Right - exactly why you should find the idea of a universal, legally-mandated kill switch you do not have control over to be onerous.

      Why should carriers and the government have a key to your kingdom, in addition to the one you yourself possess?

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  16. Lemmings! by gwolf · · Score: 2

    You made me immediately think on the poor Lemmings looking at the decreasing counter on the top of their heads, only to grab their heads in distress upon reaching zero... Exploding in a gory feast of blood, leaving their poor mammal corpse for their brethen to remind them of their probable fate.

    One of the cruelest games in game history. But, yes, one of the best ones as well.

  17. Lock code by MikeMo · · Score: 2

    Doesn't the existing Apple passcode with fingerprint solution solve this problem (I think Samsung is doing something like this, too)? It appears to me that the device is useless to anyone except the original owner, since it can't be unlocked, even after a wipe and a re-flash. The fingerprint makes the passcode not a burden to the owner.

    Isn't that sufficient?

  18. Re:Kill switch doesn't protect all phone parts by immaterial · · Score: 2

    Your response to the GP is a total non sequitur. AC is correct in asserting that bricked phones are still quite valuable as parts. And 42% is "a tiny percentage"?

  19. Re:Go to hell, a sidenote along the way. by leftover · · Score: 2

    Note that Chicago has its own gun laws in addition to those of IL. Some have been struck down by SCOTUS but they are still considerably more restrictive than the state laws.

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