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Department of Transportation Makes Rear View Cameras Mandatory

An anonymous reader writes "The Department of Transportation issued a new rule (PDF) on Monday requiring car manufacturers to include rearview cameras in all cars manufactured after May 1, 2018. The rule applies to all cars weighing less than 10,000 pounds, including buses and trucks, but does not include motorcycles and trailers. '[The cameras] must give drivers a field of vision measuring at least 10 by 20 feet directly behind the vehicle. The system must also meet other requirements including dashboard image size, lighting conditions and display time.' An estimated 13 to 15 deaths and 1,125 injuries may be prevented with the implementation of this new requirement."

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  1. I don't need this by amalcolm · · Score: 5, Funny

    I've got eyes in the back of my head, you insensitive clod!

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  2. 13 deaths? by Bartles · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's just ban cars. And scissors. How many people died from choking last year? Surely there's some way to prevent those.

    1. Re:13 deaths? by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Funny

      30 people died from choking on scissors last year.

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    2. Re:13 deaths? by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      These busy bodies are just thinking too small.

      A lot of the world's problems could be solved by banning busybodies. ;-)

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    3. Re:13 deaths? by plover · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Umm... this law is a direct result of that testing process you referred to in the phrase "time-tested". Time has shown that there are about 300 deaths per year due to backing over people. Time has also shown backup cameras to be highly effective at preventing these deaths. Backup cameras fix the "bug" (the blind spot behind and below the trunk of the car.)

      If you think this makes a car too expensive, what price do you put on accidentally running over a human being? Let's say a dead person costs $6 million. (That was the price a few years ago from my state, who figured out the amount they'd spend on an unsafe road to fix the problem after a fatality.) If you were to spread the price of 300 dead people (6*300 = 1.8 billion dollars) and divide by the number of cars sold in the US per year (estimating 20 million) that works out to $90 per car sold. Multiply that by an average 10 year lifetime of a car and it works out to $900 per car. If a camera costs less than that, it's cheaper for society to require them to fix the problem.

      Mathematically, it's cheaper to require the cameras than to live with the deaths they could prevent.

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    4. Re:13 deaths? by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Older car behaviors were fairly obvious

      Yep. Driving on ice without traction control was totally intuitive.

      Braking without ABS was the same under all conditions and road surfaces, required no driver skill in choosing the correct force to apply to the pedal.

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  3. Good.... by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They can include a dash cam and side view cameras as well along with an interface that allows me to copy filmed material to an SD card or something... That would have saved me twice from getting stuck with being 50 percent at fault (both times the other driver ignored a red light).

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  4. What society really needs to do by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What society really needs to do is admit that some people are simply unfit to be in control of a vehicle and deny them a license.

    Fail the test three times, that's it. No more chances.

    PS: I guess this isn't too expensive. By 2018 screens will be standard instead of analog instruments (they're cheaper!) and cameras will cost $0.10.

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    1. Re:What society really needs to do by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What society really needs to do is admit that some people are simply unfit to be in control of a vehicle and deny them a license.

      Eventually it will come to the conclusion that all people are unfit to be in control of vehicles, and let the vehicles drive themselves.

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  5. In Massachusetts... by srussia · · Score: 4, Funny

    they can be tilted slightly up!

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  6. this is supposed to save money? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So, an average of 7 million cars sold each year.

    About half already have these cameras.

    Using the NHTSB estimates ($43 to upgrade models that already do backup cams to meet the new spec, $143 to put them in models that don't currently do that), we get an approximate cost to implement this mandate of $650 milllion annually.

    Which will prevent ~15 deaths per year, and ~1200 serious injuries.

    So, $40 million per death, or $$500,000 per injury. Seems to me it costs less than $500,000 to treat someone for an injury, so I'm not sure how this is going to "save money".

    And 15 deaths is so trivial as to be ridiculous. Hell, we even have more measles deaths than that (60 on average, in years we don't have a massive outbreak like this year)....

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  7. Useless Most of the Time by neorush · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Our rearview camera is completely useless about 70% of the time, as the snow and mud almost always have it covered unless you physically get out of the car and clean it off. But good thing for this, lets make cars even more expensive for average joe just trying to get by.

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  8. Re:Grabs popcorn by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 4, Insightful
    We must take our freedom back! ERMGHERD! Teh NSHA is snooping on mine backup camera!

    Yeah, they probably monitor your turn signals too, so they can do turn by turn spying on you. Sheesh

    Having had a backup camera on my RV for the last several years, I can state they are an inexpensive godsend.

    Because it isn't all about safety. It's about seeing where stuff is, and to avoid it when I'm backing up Keeps the RV dent free.

    But the safety aspect is important also.It keeps me from backing over people in campgrounds. I do personally know two people that have run over and killed one of their children while backing up. Lest someone spout off with the "Won't someone think of the Children!" nonsense - It isn't about them. Those kids could care less now because they are dead. . It's about the Parent who is now tortured with knowing they killed their child.

    I detest safety culture. But a backup camera makes as much sense as having a fire extinguisher in the garage or kitchen, or car. A backup camera makes as much sense as turn signals, or brake lights, or tempered glass rear windows and laminated safety glass for windshields. Just makes sense.

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  9. One strike and you're out! by Two99Point80 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You're forgetting the non-zero cost to the economy of people who would ordinarily be stripped from the gene pool by their own idiocy, by standing behind a car, below the sight line of the driver, while the car is reversing.

    So you'd strip toddlers from the gene pool? Yeah, that's the ticket...

  10. Re:Grabs popcorn by Predius · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Of course, this is ignoring the INCREASE in accidents this will cause by people looking forward, staring at a screen rather than backwards while backing up, missing little details like traffic to the left and right, etc. I'd be much happier if they mandated a minimum visibility spec out the back than cameras, we're now mandating distracted backing up... blech.

    (Side note, I won't be riding a motorcycle on the street ever again, too many idiots not paying attention at the wheel now, this isn't going to help.)

  11. Re:Grabs popcorn by gorzek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Exactly.

    Think of the rear monitor as just another mirror. You're supposed to check all the mirrors. Well, the rear monitor is just one more to check. Big deal.