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The Connected Home's Battle of the Bulbs

redletterdave writes: "The current leader in smart lights is Philips Hue Wi-Fi-enabled bulbs. But the competition just heated up last week, with both LG and Samsung unveiling new smart bulbs. Not that Philips is sitting idly by—the boss of intelligent bulbs also unveiled two new products: the Hue Lux LED bulb, a cheaper, stripped-down version of its pricey original, and the Philips Hue Tap, an add-on that lets you trigger lights by touch. But which company will win the battle to illuminate the connected home?"

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  1. I'm worried there will be... by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...an app for that.

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    1. Re:I'm worried there will be... by aix+tom · · Score: 2

      Buy the new Smart Bulb App!!

      Either the free version, where you can switch your light on and off after watching just one short commercial, or the Pay-By-Switch App for those people who don't switch their light on and off that often and want to save on monthly fees, or the $5 a month Flatrate-Switching App that let's you switch on and off your lights as often as you like without any additional fees !!!!

  2. If only.. by colin_faber · · Score: 5, Funny

    There was some way to have a remote... Say attached to the wall, which would allow you to 'touch' it to have the lights turn on and off, or even possibly dim. One can dream..

    1. Re:If only.. by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Funny

      There is. Hot glue and an old iphone or old android phone.

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    2. Re:If only.. by chispito · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think the answer he was looking for was "light switch".

      That's a pretty bright idea.

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    3. Re:If only.. by CanHasDIY · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think the answer he was looking for was "light switch".

      That's a pretty bright idea.

      Especially coming from such a dim bulb.

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    4. Re:If only.. by chihowa · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's a pretty lame reason, actually. What use case (that's big enough to support an entire industry of "smart lightbulbs") involves:

      o light fixtures that don't already have switches installed,

      o users who are not industrious enough to move the lightswitch themselves,

      o users who are too cheap to just have an electrician move it (this is shockingly inexpensive, by the way... typically cheaper than one of these bulbs),

      o users who are fine with accidentally flipping the wall switch and making the whole thing inoperative or covering the switch with tape or something cheesy like that to keep people from switching it (or are industrious enough to rewire the switch and install an ugly blank panel but can't move the switch),

      o and users who can afford (or rationalize) spending $60 or up on a light bulb?

      I guess the intersection of most of that is gadget-addicted renters. Is that really a very lucrative market?

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    5. Re:If only.. by billstewart · · Score: 2

      I've lost a light switch before. My apartment has a hallway with switches at both ends, one of which was at the natural location for a laundry-sorting table by the washing machine. Stuff gradually accumulated, hiding the switch that we didn't use much anyway. At one point, the light stopped working, and when replacing the bulb didn't help, I was getting ready to tear apart the switch box to replace that one and another that was occasionally flaky, and then I remembered the other switch - which had gotten pushed to an intermediate position between up and down.

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  3. The Connected Browser's Battle of the Mute Button by CaptainStumpy · · Score: 2

    Now do they really think "They're lazy! Instead of not reading the article, they will just sit back and listen. No-more bad comments, problem solved" They underestimate our power. Begin the rants!

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  4. ..and we need this technology why exactly? by kheldan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Honestly, this sounds like a solution in search of a problem. Why would the average person want or even need to control each bulb in their house individually? Also, won't this make each bulb very expensive, and as others have pointed out, more of a security problem? I just want lighting that's inexpensive and efficient, and I think I represent the majority in this case. You want to remotely control your lighting? There are already products and systems to do that, you don't need the bulbs themselves to do it.

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    1. Re:..and we need this technology why exactly? by bkmoore · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I also want lighting that fits in the fixtures that I have and doesn't protrude beyond the shade. Almost all of these "better lightbulbs" are just too large. Also why make intelligent light bulbs? Wouldn't it be better to put the connectivity into the light fixture, especially if it has more than one bulb?

    2. Re:..and we need this technology why exactly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      The remote gimmick is to distract you from the hidden microphone and cameras built into the bulbs. The "problem" they are addressing is that they can't hear you when you're in the bathroom with the water running.

    3. Re:..and we need this technology why exactly? by Ravaldy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The major advantage I see of having lighting controlled is to allow automatic management of such. Does a bare bone interface to turn on individual lights make sense? IMHO, NO. But with the right software and hardware managing lighting and other devices in a home is an essential step to reduce the bill.

      I can tell you that by simply putting a timer on the exhaust fan, I have managed to save at least $4.00 per month. This is based on local rates and assumes one of the 3 fans was left on for 8 hours. This used to happen all the time where I'd get home and my wife or kids left the fan on after a shower or a number 2. At 160 watt hour that's almost $4.00 per month let alone the cost of replacing the fan, the lost of heating and the list goes on. The switch was expensive (I believe it was $20) but if you think about it I've had them now for 5 years so I've paid all 3 switches many times over.

      Now if we could do this for more components in our house.

    4. Re:..and we need this technology why exactly? by CastrTroy · · Score: 2

      With the advent of LED light bulbs, I don't know why things haven't been made more modular. They could easily make individual LEDs (or small groups of them) within the bulb replaceable, and allow the AC/DC converter, as well as any other circuitry replaceable without requiring that the entire bulb be replaced every time a single component dies.

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    5. Re:..and we need this technology why exactly? by m2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You are looking at it from a engineer's point of view. Look at it from a marketing department's point of view: to change a lightbulb you need no tools. Unscrew, screw, done. To change a fixture you need tools, and need to fiddle with wires and screws, and things that can go wrong.

    6. Re:..and we need this technology why exactly? by az1324 · · Score: 2

      Dimming/hueing individual bulbs may be a luxury but there are situations when it comes in handy (leave one overhead light on for reading, leave lights at the back of the room dimmed for movies, light only every other bulb in a long hallway). The costs of a smart (white) bulb will fall to within a few dollars of a standard LED bulb. The additional complexity & components will improve the overall build quality of the bulb. There are lots of problems with cheap LED bulbs now, especially dimmable ones (flickering, humming, power supply failures). It isn't very ideal to use a dimmer to adjust the voltage waveform of a device that has to then rectify it and use PWM to do its own dimming. So smart bulbs do solve some very annoying problems in that area. The fact that switches will also need to be replaced with smart versions for best results and the additional "vampire" power consumption of smart bulbs when not illuminated are drawbacks.

    7. Re:..and we need this technology why exactly? by jshazen · · Score: 2

      There are studies showing declining sleep quality with blue light after sunset. I want my lights to cycle into the ambers and reds after dark, but to be bright and white in the middle of the day (the same way my computer does with f.lux). For now, I get around by wearing dorky orange safety glasses after 9pm, but would prefer my home not expose me to the blue parts of the spectrum. I'm still not sure HUE is the solution, because the wall switches are useless. But it at least gives me the possibility of having the spectrum shift with time via IFTT.

  5. Some reasons by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    The original Hue was nice, because as the name implied you could change the bulb to be any color.

    Or at least, as nice as the need to have bulbs of different colors. I never found that need pressing so I didn't ever get one.

    If one was single I could see possibly using them for mood lighting for "guests".

    The ability to control bulbs individually does have some practical use though - you could simulate being home when away by running a program that would turn on bulbs in different rooms in different times.

    Or, if you think you have burglars, turn on all the lights in the house at once to try and scare them off.

    Or better yet (back to color) you could color the lights red and strobe them while sounding an emergency siren... :-)

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    1. Re:Some reasons by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Take a look at some Japanese lighting from companies like Panasonic and Sharp for an idea of what real smart lighting is about.

      I bought a Panasonic smart ceiling light. It can change between daylight (6000k) and warm white (2700k), depending on what task I am doing. It also has dimming of course. The output is up to 5000lm but it is diffuse so you don't get a blinding point of light or shadows everywhere. It can direct light behind the TV too to give it some backlighting while keeping the rest of the room a bit dimmer. Naturally it comes with a remote control.

      It also has a constant illumination mode. This mode adjusts the brightness automatically to keep the light level constant as the more or less light comes in through the windows. There is a more advanced version available for offices where the angle of window blinds are adjusted too so that more light comes in without being blinding. The multiple lights in the office can adjust independently so that those at the back of the room supply more illumination to keep the whole place evenly lit during the day.

      Of course it is all 100% LED, low energy. Sharp also built in their Plasmacluster air cleaning technology, and I believe Panasonic are going to do the same with theirs. Sharp have some kind of anti-insect thing as well that somehow deters moths and the like.

      Japanese lighting is awesome. Even some toilets have little night lights in the bowl so you can see when you need to get up in the middle of the night but don't want to be fully woken by 800lm. The whole smart home thing has been around for a while here. Air conditioners sense not only when you are in the room, but where in it you are so that they don't blow cold air directly at you. Remote smart-phone control is becoming quite common so you can have the room cooled just before you get home. Sharp make a robot vacuum cleaner that takes photos of stuff it finds under the sofa and sends them to your phone, just in case you lost them.

      Meanwhile UK lighting is shit and the US is still pissing itself over the phase out of incandescents. I knew there was a reason I moved.

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  6. As one-way as X10 by Animats · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When you shut off a lamp manually, Hue may not know what state the light is in. Turn it off with the Tap, and it knows the lights are off.

    They've replicated the one-way communication of X10, then. That seems rather lame.

    Meanwhile, Cree's nice LED replacements for 60W incandescent bulbs are now below $10 at Home Depot. 10 year warranty. They draw 9 watts. Dimmable with existing external dimmers. Just buy a case of those and replace anything that burns out with one.

    1. Re:As one-way as X10 by Tridus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hackers controlling my lights is a feature I can live without.

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    2. Re:As one-way as X10 by az1324 · · Score: 2

      If you cut the power to a bulb, it's obviously not going to know what you are doing with the app. The tap allows you to never cut power to the bulb. Yes the tap itself is one way but it is only intended to toggle on/off and select a few presets. It does not interfere with the two-way nature of the rest of the system including the bridge, apps, api clients, etc...

  7. Re:What a waste by CycleFreak · · Score: 2

    You can still see their likes on Facebook.

  8. No Winners by jklovanc · · Score: 2

    But which company will win the battle to illuminate the connected home?"

    They all will lose as competing standards will decrease adoption. In the end there will probably be a standard that is not backward compatible and early adopters will have to buy new equipment. Maybe all companies win after all.

  9. Re:The Connected Browser's Battle of the Mute Butt by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2

    Even worst: the damn thing auto-plays so you can't open a bunch of tabs at once and they're making me download something I'm not going to use.

    Waste of bandwidth is what it is. Let's hope it's part of the stupid april first pranks. Then again it appears that beta is real, so who knows.

  10. Should this not be a bulb's job? by dmomo · · Score: 2

    But the job of the socket or outlet? I'd prefer to see some sort of USB/bluetooth-esque standard where the plugged-in device, be it a bulb in a socket, a lamp in a wall outlet, or a toaster oven could all be monitored and controlled through the same interface. A device would not even have to comply to the standard for this to be useful. We'd already be able to tell if it is on or off, and chart out power consumption. Devices in compliance could extend the functionality in the same way any number of USB devices could be controlled via the PC, so long as they have the right driver.

  11. Key Feature... by PortHaven · · Score: 2

    Ability to turn off light remotely, and have it stay off!!!!

    With this feature I'll buy a $50 lightbulb, without out it - I'm not buying.

    Why? Because as any parent knows. As soon as you put your kid to bed, the first thing they do is wait to hear your steps depart, get up, and turn on their light. Above functionality would allow parents to turn off the light. And keep it off for set time.

    Presently, all these smart bulbs have a bunch of features, but if you turn them on at the switch...they come on. We need a feature to prevent that for parents the world over.

    1. Re:Key Feature... by pubwvj · · Score: 2

      There is another solution. We don't worry about it. In the morning everyone gets up early. If you stayed up late reading or something you still get up early in the morning for chores and breakfast. We also have rules of respect. Being quiet in the evening is one of those rules because other people are sleeping so they can get up in the morning to work. If kids are raised this way it rather solves the issue.

      Back to the smart bulbs - too much technology. Wasteful. Expensive.

    2. Re:Key Feature... by geekoid · · Score: 2

      Ww, you solved the problem for everyone, becaqsue no one has a child with asleep disorder!
      Thanks for you one size fits all. I'm amazed the world functioned at all before you started spitting pearls.

      And then you solve that light issue with a simple statement with not argument.
      Wow.

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  12. Re:The Connected Browser's Battle of the Mute Butt by Physics+Dude · · Score: 3, Interesting

    1. Right click on player
    2. Add AdBlock audio filter to slashdot.org domain
    3. Problem solved! ;-)

  13. More power vampires... by HockeyPuck · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So now I've got a bulb that when i turn it off at the switch it stops drawing electricity, they want lightbulbs all over my house that are not off but in "standby" mode. Sucking on power throughout the day...

    I remember when lightbulbs were not $15 but $.50.

  14. Re:There is a problem... by csnydermvpsoft · · Score: 2

    Let me guess: You're not a parent. The best parents are always the ones without children. After they have kids, they realize that their perfect ideas don't work on actual children.

    Either that, or you've been blessed with an angel of a child. It happens, but it's far from guaranteed.

  15. Too dim by ArchieBunker · · Score: 2

    Is 60 watts the new 100 watts or something? 60 is too dim. Is anyone making 100 watt equivalents or is bright light now a victim of the green movement?

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  16. Noise, noise, noise! by Chrontius · · Score: 2

    I just loaded a half dozen /. stories in tabs, and now as many computer voices are reading submission summaries to me in some godawful cacophony.

    What the hell?

    Worse than beta, since there's no off switch.