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Smart Car Tipping Trending In San Francisco

First time accepted submitter hackajar1 (1700328) writes "Is it a crime of opportunity or another page in the current chapter of Anti-Tech movement in San Francisco? Either way, the new crime trending in San Francisco invloves tipping Smart Cars on their side. While they only take 3 — 4 people to tip, this could just be kids simply having "fun" at the very expensive cost of car owners. Alternatively it could be part of a larger movement in San Francisco against anyone associated with HiTech, which is largely being blamed for neighborhood gentrification and rent spikes in recent years." This sounds like a story that would catch the ears of veteran reporter Roland Hedley.

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  1. It's not trending. by Michael+O-P · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This wouldn't even be an issue if the damn local news didn't report on it. 3 cars?! A night of drunken stupidity. Now it's going to be trending.

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    1. Re:It's not trending. by LordLimecat · · Score: 5, Funny

      If it were Tesla Motors, the NHTSA would be starting an investigation.

    2. Re:It's not trending. by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 4, Funny

      And Elon Musk would be whining about how the media was unfairly targeting Tesla, making misleading claims about a correlation between toppings and high speed crashes, claiming Teslas are not tipped more than any other car in the city, all the while designing titanium tipping resistant body panels as implicit acknowledgment of reality. And Slashdot would be a boiling kettle of fanboys defending Tesla and group thinking (par for the course).

      I should say, I am biased, being a Tesla stockholder.

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    3. Re:It's not trending. by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It looks like a group of people with mental problems

      Or, you know - teenagers.

      The only "mental problem" necessary to find joy in such an activity as vandalizing cars is adolescence.

      You did stupid shit when you were a kid, too. We all did.

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    4. Re:It's not trending. by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 5, Funny

      No kidding. Back in the 80's 4-5 of us would pick up compact cars and move them onto the sidewalk out of drunken stupidity.

      One of my friends had an MG back then. A couple of people lifted the rear end off the ground right before he was getting ready to drive off. While they were all laughing, he put the car in reverse and stepped on the gas. While laughing himslef, he asked them how long they thought they could hold it.

    5. Re:It's not trending. by slinches · · Score: 5, Funny

      If it were Teslas being tipped, I think the NFL and/or the military would be the ones investigating. Those things weigh over two tons and have a very low CG, making them nearly impossible to roll over without some heavy duty lifting apparatus.

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    6. Re:It's not trending. by fermion · · Score: 4, Insightful
      This was probably just a bunch of kids 'having fun.' I blame high schools and some colleges. High Schools are still focusing on bullying instead of teaching the kids that it is often assault or criminal intent. There are kids coming out school thinking that cursing out a stranger of threatening to hurt someone if they don't get their way is proper behavior. Likewise, some colleges still call borderline criminals acts 'hazing' or 'initiation', thus leading educated people to believe that getting drunk, committing crimes, and getting away with it makes everything ok.

      Gentrification may also be an issue. When I was growing up one thing I noticed was the my friends who lived in more affluent or gated neighborhoods would talk about being taken home to their parents instead of arrested. They might be doing drugs, selling drugs, breaking into cars, whatever. We have seen a case where a teen has stolen beer, gotten drunk, and killed some people while driving, has gotten probation. The parents would pay reparations. So if a lot of wealthy parents are moving in, and protecting their kids, then those kids might be less motivated to not commit crime.

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    7. Re:It's not trending. by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Interesting

      My girlfriend at the time drove a Geo Prism. *2 people (big) could pick up and move that car... which they did... to a number of increasingly hilarious places :-)

      I had 2 of them (both 1992 models!), and yes, they were incredibly easy for 2 people to move around. I used to "impress" girls by deadlifting the ass end.

      Also, apparently Toyota wasn't real big into key security in those days, as I recall one incident where I walked out of a store, unlocked and hopped in my Prism, started it, then realized as I was backing out, "holy shit, this isn't my car!" Someone had parked one the same year and color a few spaces down from mine, and the key worked without a hitch. mind blown.

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  2. Smart Cars = HiTech ??? by esten · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Considering a Smart Car is like 12k, gets good gas mileage, and is easy to street park in the city how in the world does this equal HiTech? HiTech workers definitely make enough to afford more spacious and expensive cars along with garage parking.

    Is this another example of terrible Slashdot editorial comments distorting original story to "make news" as this alternative theory is not in the original source?
    http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/...

    1. Re:Smart Cars = HiTech ??? by Control-Z · · Score: 5, Funny

      36MPG is not good gas mileage, especially for a tiny car like that. I think that's what is bothering the vandals.

    2. Re:Smart Cars = HiTech ??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      US gallons are smaller.
      1 US gallon is 0.8 of an Imperial (UK) gallon.
      47mpg * 0.8 = ~37mpg, ergo we're talking about the same numbers for Euro and US Smart cars.
      Caught me out when I moved from the UK to the US.
      On the other hand, paying $4 a gallon rather than [quick conversion litres->US gallons] ~$8.50 is most welcome.

    3. Re:Smart Cars = HiTech ??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Do American's detune their cars or something?

      No, the passengers just weigh more.

    4. Re:Smart Cars = HiTech ??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      That would be because the UK uses a different metric for measuring octaine ratings. North america uses Anti-Knock Index (RON+MON)/2 and Europe uses just RON. This difference can account for a difference of 4-10 points.

  3. So 2001 by onproton · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This actually was a fad in Europe for a while - of course it moved to San Francisco.

  4. double take.. by Connie_Lingus · · Score: 4

    reading the headline, i thought the story was going to be about people dropping change and dollar bills on smart cars as a way to, i dunno, show their support for eco-friendliness?

     

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  5. Re:tipping them on their sides is lame by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Funny
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  6. It's not the Midwest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    There is a shortage of cattle in San Francisco. These might be the only alternative.

  7. Synergy by sjames · · Score: 4, Funny

    I've seen discussions of having electric cars play an audio track of engine noise to reduce accidents with pedestrians.

    And now, when the kids tip it, it will go "MooOOOOOOooo"

  8. Re:San Francisco: crazy again by clarkkent09 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Gentrification to me means turning filthy, crime ridden ghettos into clean and safe neighborhoods. I haven't heard any reasonable argument against it that doesn't include hidden racism or prejudice against poor people being morons who like living in dirt.

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  9. I think the meaning is less profound by maliqua · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Speaking as someone who when they first saw a smart car said to themselves "I wonder if i run out into the road and shoulder check it if it would tip over" I don't think the vandals in question are doing this to make a statement. I think its most likely that they had a similar thought combined it with youthful enthusiasm and the great decision making power that only a group of teenagers can have.

  10. Re:It happened one time in a spree. Trending? by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 5, Insightful
  11. Re:San Fran = the new Detroit by lgw · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Detroit was once a very nice city. This exact sort of behavior made Detroit the smoking crater it is today. If you drive everyone with money away from your tax base, there won't be anything left. There was a deliberate effort in Detroit's case, and while it took a decade or more to drive out the middle class, and another couple decades to run out of money, it was inevitable from just a few years in.

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  12. Re:San Francisco: crazy again by interkin3tic · · Score: 4, Informative

    Property taxes and rent rising pushes out renters who have lived there a long time. People like their neighbors and work to establish a safe community only to be priced out of it BECAUSE they made it safe. They end up having to move to a more distant neighborhood which is once again unsafe. Now they have to commute further to work and have less money from the move. Moving to a new apartment generally means paying higher rent in cities if you keep the same level of nice neighborhood, so it's likely a step down.

    I mean, it sounds reasonable to me. Not compelling enough for me to not move to a gentrifying area (which I have before and don't feel particularly guilty about), but I understand why it upsets some people legitimately. I do think a lot of it is simply entitlement or making excuses for envy. Obviously tipping over someone's car isn't a rational way of trying to keep prices for long-term residents down: people who have already moved in are just going to hire more cops which will increase taxes which will hasten the poorer residents being priced out. No, those idiots were either simply troublemakers or at best angry because they didn't have a nice shiny smartcar while their neighbors did.

  13. N-word, please by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 4, Funny

    Gentrification to me means turning filthy, crime ridden ghettos [FULL OF POOR MINORITIES]
    into clean and safe neighborhoods [FULL OF RICH WHITE PEOPLE].

  14. Re:San Fran = the new Detroit by Gordo_1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > This exact sort of behavior made Detroit the smoking crater it is today.

    Not really.

    There may be some parallels, but Detroit was mostly a different situation. The Detroit lower classes did not actively try to push away those with money the way the SF leaches are trying to do. In Detroit, there were decades of major race relation problems that culminated in black riots in the downtown core. This scared the white middle-class who pretty much all picked up and moved to the suburbs willingly.

    In SF, the complainers are a small group of mostly young, white folks who are bored, unemployed and looking for handouts to sustain their leach-like lifestyle.