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The Graffiti Drone

tedlistens writes: "KATSU is known for his adventurous and speculative vandalism, but his new project is not fake or hypothetical, though it does elevate his work to new heights. He has developed a system to attach a spray can to a quadcopter, creating one of the world's first graffiti drones. The drone is capable of spraying canvases or walls hundreds of feet high, granting the artist access to spaces that were previously inaccessible. At the Silicon Valley Contemporary art fair, which opened Thursday, KATSU is showing a series of drone-painted canvasses — and preparing to take the drone out on the town. 'There are a lot of disadvantages to drones, you know. It's not like, "oh, I'll slip off the edge of this bridge and die,"' he tells the Center for the Study of the Drone at Motherboard, which also has a video. 'Its like, "I might have the drone drift off and I might kill someone."'"

126 comments

  1. Heh... by the_skywise · · Score: 1, Funny

    Demolition Man was off by about 20 years...

  2. For the Swarm! by Baby+Duck · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I will be more impressed by a dozens of drones simultaneously spraying, crossing streams to make more colors.

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    1. Re:For the Swarm! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You said crossing the streams was bad!

    2. Re:For the Swarm! by Buck+Feta · · Score: 2

      Don't cross the streams it would be bad.

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    3. Re:For the Swarm! by invictusvoyd · · Score: 1

      Which would mean a dozen nozzles .. The recoil .. I'd be surprised if they can achieve any form of art unless there is some AI component involved.

    4. Re:For the Swarm! by cusco · · Score: 0

      They're taggers, it's not like they're doing art now either.

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    5. Re:For the Swarm! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which would mean a dozen nozzles .. The recoil .. I'd be surprised if they can achieve any form of art unless there is some AI component involved.

      No AI, it's called cybernetics. It's the same field that keeps the drone flying, and it's trivial to find the force of the spray can and calculate positive feedback to counter it.

    6. Re:For the Swarm! by gnick · · Score: 1

      Which would mean a dozen nozzles .. The recoil .. I'd be surprised if they can achieve any form of art unless there is some AI component involved.

      Building an "inverted pendulum" is a pretty common engineering school assignment. Not too sophisticated, but neat and far more complicated than simply compensating for propulsion from spray paint.

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    7. Re:For the Swarm! by GTRacer · · Score: 1

      [...] it's not like they're doing art now either.

      Wait, are you saying it isn't art because:

      * They're tagging and therefore it can't be art
      * Grafitti isn't art no matter how it's executed
      * This particular tagger isn't talented enough to be an artist

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    8. Re:For the Swarm! by mlk · · Score: 1

      Tags as a general rule are shit. Wow you wrote you name on a wall. Well done. Have a cookie. Some times effort is put into a tag, but lets be honest, most people do not.

      It is still "art", it is just shit art. That should be painted over.

      That not the case for all tags (but 99.9999% of them). Grafitti however as a general rule is meh. Some of it can be great, some of it can be shit (wow it is a very good dick you just spray painted on a wall).

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    9. Re:For the Swarm! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Crossing the streams would be bad.

    10. Re:For the Swarm! by unrtst · · Score: 1

      [...] it's not like they're doing art now either.

      Wait, are you saying it isn't art because:

      * They're tagging and therefore it can't be art

      * Grafitti isn't art no matter how it's executed

      * This particular tagger isn't talented enough to be an artist

      Pretty creative quoting there... you snipped our a whole two words so you could exclude the main point/categorization - they're taggers. That invalidates the latter two points, and the first point is much easier to approach - is tagging art?

      Defining "art" is completely subjective. Was Duchamp's "Fountain" art? IMO, that piece is about as far as I'd push the definition, and I'm still not sure if it is. It did make a significant statement, but it did far more with the piece than tagging a building. (almost) anyone can sign their own name, and can do so anywhere, so there would have to be something else to justify a signature on some random piece of property as "art". In "Fountain", there was timing involved in what was happening at the time, the exhibit in which it was displayed, and a very minimal level of object manipulation to justify a change to the original (turned on its side, placed in a different environment than it's normally seen, and signed).

      So, what does a tagger need to do for his tag to be considered art to you? (graffiti and other works do not apply here)

    11. Re:For the Swarm! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, are you saying it isn't art because:

      * They're tagging and therefore it can't be art

      * Grafitti isn't art no matter how it's executed

      * This particular tagger isn't talented enough to be an artist

      Yes. Why does that confuse you. Graffiti isn't art and the punks that do it aren't artists.

    12. Re:For the Swarm! by GTRacer · · Score: 1

      I promise I wasn't trying to misrepresent the original - I was trying to get at the distinction between tagging and graffiti. I always thought tags were small-scale graffiti signatures. Not the larger-scale mural-style pieces to be sure, but what few I've seen have occasionally been creative.

      Hm. I guess in the usual cop-out way, I'd say I'd call it art if it seemed like art. But more seriously, if the tag was more interesting that a straight signature, or was intriguing in some way I'd call it art.

      Also also, I wasn't defending tagging (or graffiti btw) as art that should be protected and enshrined. I agree it's still vandalism.

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    13. Re:For the Swarm! by GTRacer · · Score: 1

      I guess art is subjective - I've seen plenty of graffiti I'd easily consider art. Not so sure about tags - still sorting out the distinctions.

      And as I mention above, I know it's vandalism (unless they go out of their way for permission, which does happen now and again). Doesn't preclude it being art as well.

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    14. Re:For the Swarm! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not art because it was scrawled/painted on *my* shit and so *I* get to decide. I say paint over it all. Simple as that.

    15. Re:For the Swarm! by gstoddart · · Score: 2

      They're taggers, it's not like they're doing art now either.

      Don't confuse "tagging" with "graffiti".

      Tagging requires neither skill nor talent and is done by bored kids who think they're gang members.

      Actual graffiti artists (think Banksy) can create some really good pieces which people actually collect.

      Some graffiti artists have some pretty mad skills, and create some really good pieces.

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    16. Re:For the Swarm! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because people collect it doesn't make these eyesore art or these vandals artists.

    17. Re:For the Swarm! by cusco · · Score: 1

      Murals are not the same as graffiti, even if they were done without permission. At least that's my opinion, YMMV. I used to know a muralist, and there's a lot to it. I've known a couple of taggers, and truthfully, if a crackhead can do it then I have trouble considering it 'art'.

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    18. Re:For the Swarm! by cusco · · Score: 2

      I really think the so-called 'graffiti artists' really should be considered muralists, whether they had permission to paint their mural or not. It's a constructive act, meant to create something attractive or at least meaningful. Graffiti and tagging are destructive acts, only slightly better than tossing a rock through a window.

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    19. Re:For the Swarm! by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Graffiti and tagging are destructive acts, only slightly better than tossing a rock through a window.

      Meh, by the time you learn to be one of these 'muralists' you've gone through a lot of bad graffiti.

      Sometimes graffiti is political or culturally significant (think "Eric Clapton is God"), and has been with us since the ancient Greeks. It's not likely to go away.

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    20. Re:For the Swarm! by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Just because people collect it doesn't make these eyesore art or these vandals artists.

      Just because you don't like it doesn't prevent it from being art.

      There has been graffiti for thousands of years in one form or another, and there will continue to be. Hell, cave paintings can be considered some of the first forms of graffiti.

      There are places which have dedicated graffiti walls, because some of the art is pretty damned incredible.

      Does changing it from being on a wall where you have permission magically turn it into art? Or does it just make it legitimate vandalism?

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    21. Re:For the Swarm! by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 2

      It isn't art when it defaces other people's property.

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    22. Re:For the Swarm! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just cause its art doesn't prevent it from being an eyesore.

    23. Re:For the Swarm! by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Just cause its art doesn't prevent it from being an eyesore.

      So, you're categorically saying all graffiti is an eye sore? You've seen all of the graffiti in the world and concluded none of it has merit? You've discounted the possibility that people have asked people to put up murals in some places?

      Wow, you are good. What's it like to be omniscient? Did you know I was going to ask that?

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    24. Re:For the Swarm! by marcello_dl · · Score: 1

      Art and vandalism are not compatible for my definition, in the case of tags and graffiti.

      Art is what you do for the sake of doing it or admiring the result, and, you know, there are walls in your bedroom too.
      Vandalism means satisfying the naturally present thirst for recognition by destroying/defacing stuff, or imitation of previous vandals. It's not art because it has a different purpose. The artwork is not art, the way it was produced may be art.

      The only art piece here might be the drone, for the guy who simply wants to try its feasibility, not for those who buy the finished model.

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    25. Re:For the Swarm! by davester666 · · Score: 1

      no problems when doing it in the men's room

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    26. Re:For the Swarm! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, you're categorically saying all graffiti is an eye sore?

      If it had merit it wouldn't be called graffiti.

    27. Re:For the Swarm! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It isn't easy to define, but I know vandalism when i see it!

    28. Re:For the Swarm! by Goaway · · Score: 1

      That definition seems to exclude anyone who paints on a canvas to hang in a gallery too.

      Pretty much all art is made for others to look at. How you do that varies. Painting it on the side of a building is just one of many ways, that happens to be illegal most of the time. But legality has nothing to do with art.

    29. Re:For the Swarm! by eric_harris_76 · · Score: 1

      Egon: Don't cross the streams.

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    30. Re:For the Swarm! by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      Actual graffiti artists (think Banksy) can create some really good pieces which people actually collect.

      Banksy is a "street artist" (who mostly copies Blek le Rat). Robbo was a "graffiti artist".

  3. Well, thats a bummer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This takes all the fun out of graffiti. There always has been some kind of mark of artists pride to have people look at a tag and say "How the bugger did they get up there?"

    Now it will just be "Oh, high-tech vandals." The magic is gone

    1. Re:Well, thats a bummer. by kruach+aum · · Score: 1, Interesting

      No, the magic has moved from the person willing to risk his life to the team of persons intelligent enough to create a machine that is controllable from a distance and not beholden to the laws of gravity.

    2. Re:Well, thats a bummer. by the_skywise · · Score: 1

      To be fair, it's STILL beholden to the laws of gravity!

    3. Re:Well, thats a bummer. by kruach+aum · · Score: 1

      "and which can fly" doesn't sound as poetic though!

    4. Re:Well, thats a bummer. by the_skywise · · Score: 1

      True... true...

    5. Re:Well, thats a bummer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...Drones still obey the laws of gravity

    6. Re:Well, thats a bummer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But not The Law. Unless they are police drones. Usually. Sometimes they ignore the Constitution.

    7. Re:Well, thats a bummer. by cusco · · Score: 1

      Oh, no, there will still be plenty of fun available. I, for instance, am getting bored with using my sling and slingshot at stationary targets, a moving target would definitely be more entertaining and challenging. I've never thrown a bolo either, but that seems like the ideal weapon to use on one of these since cast nets don't have the range. I'll have to make one this weekend in case this moron comes to Seattle.

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    8. Re:Well, thats a bummer. by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      This takes all the fun out of graffiti. There always has been some kind of mark of artists pride to have people look at a tag and say "How the bugger did they get up there?"

      Now it will just be "Oh, high-tech vandals." The magic is gone

      The "magic" has been gone from graffiti since the early 80's. In the US at least. I rarely see anything other than tags these days, and not many of those are all that impressive any longer. I've seen some pretty nice graffiti in Europe though. Germany in particular.

    9. Re:Well, thats a bummer. by mythosaz · · Score: 1

      9.8 meters per second squared. It's not just a good idea, it's the law.

    10. Re:Well, thats a bummer. by Rinikusu · · Score: 1

      What bugs me is that with the element of being "hands on", it really does discourage tagging on things like private single family housing as there's the very real possibility that a home owner and will defend his property. With a drone.. not so much.

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    11. Re:Well, thats a bummer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really turns graffiti into an even bigger scumbag move. You demonstrate having intelligence and skills that could be put to some USEFUL purpose... Or at least something someone wanted.

      Instead you wasted it by painting some crap on a building that nobody wanted there. And someone else will have to pay to remove..
      Fuck you. You useless piece of shit.

    12. Re:Well, thats a bummer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      9.8 meters per second squared. It's not just a good idea, it's the law.

      Not on the moon.

  4. Low quality art. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That graffiti looks like shit.

    1. Re:Low quality art. by oodaloop · · Score: 1

      Or you have no appreciation for art.

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    2. Re:Low quality art. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's because art died when people with no skill started calling themselves artists.

      This is a real artist.

    3. Re:Low quality art. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      As an art critic, I can say that the artist has perfectly captured the deeper essence of feces. The conflicting colors, the subtle implication of corn, you can almost smell it as you observe this metaphor for what was once a proud life, now drained of most of its resources and left to the cruelties of nature.

  5. I expect... by msauve · · Score: 4, Interesting

    He's not going to complain when the police drones provide a counterpoint by dousing him with pepper spray, right?

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    1. Re:I expect... by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      Dunno, but I think law enforcement should ideally be held to a higher standard than someone running around calling themselves the Japanese word for breaded pork tenderloin.

    2. Re:I expect... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then whatever you do, don't go to Los Angeles!

    3. Re:I expect... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Dunno, but I think law enforcement should ideally be held to a higher standard than someone running around calling themselves the Japanese word for breaded pork tenderloin.

      So, what do we infer about a poster calling themselves 'interkin3tic'?

      Does this convey credibility to you? Or should we discount your opinion as that of someone who has allowed l337 speak to become a factor in his life?

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    4. Re:I expect... by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      You probably shouldn't trust me with a badge, a gun, and a drone-mounted pepper spray.

      And I probably shouldn't trust you to get my point. My point, joking about his handle aside, was that "turnaround would be fair play" is not true when talking about law enforcement, which seemed to be what msauve was suggesting.

    5. Re:I expect... by msauve · · Score: 1

      Although it varies by state, in general pepper spray may be used wherever use of physical force is. Protecting property from damage usually falls into that category.

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    6. Re:I expect... by timholman · · Score: 1

      He's not going to complain when the police drones provide a counterpoint by dousing him with pepper spray, right?

      Or let's put it another way: does KATSU object to the police having drones in the sky, providing 24/7 surveillance?

      Because if he does, his high-tech vandalism is providing the government with the perfect rationalization for putting their drones in the sky: "See? The bad guys have drones, and they're using them to commit crimes. We need our own drones to stop them."

      Add to that argument the fact that homeowners and business owners hate taggers, and idiots like KATSU are simply making things worse for everyone.

  6. He is a seriously lame dickhead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He is a seriously lame dickhead, just wanting attention, is not an artist.

  7. People like this need to be put into the stocks by fredrated · · Score: 1

    so the public can pummel them with rotten fruit.

    1. Re:People like this need to be put into the stocks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "People like this"

      Artists? Technological tinkerers?

    2. Re:People like this need to be put into the stocks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Vandals

    3. Re:People like this need to be put into the stocks by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

      "People like this"

      Artists? Technological tinkerers?

      "People I don't like"

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    4. Re:People like this need to be put into the stocks by gnick · · Score: 1

      Depends on the target. Personally, I wouldn't so much mind these vandals white-washing road-side billboards. The casino light displays can be darned near blinding when driving at night or early in the morning. A fresh coat of paint would be an illegal public service.

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    5. Re:People like this need to be put into the stocks by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Rotten fruit thrown from drones?

    6. Re:People like this need to be put into the stocks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so the public can pummel them with rotten fruit.

      Wouldn't it be more appropriate to use drones to dive-bomb them with rotten fruit?

  8. Great, just what we need by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Insightful

    More graffitis in cities...

    I wish those so-called "artists" practised their art on canvas at home or something, instead of ruining cityscapes and costing taxpayers millions for cleanup.

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    1. Re:Great, just what we need by CanHasDIY · · Score: 3, Informative

      More graffitis in cities...

      I wish those so-called "artists" practised their art on canvas at home or something, instead of ruining cityscapes and costing taxpayers millions for cleanup.

      Methinks you are conflating "professional graffiti artist" with "idiot taggers."

      graffiti artists are the people responsible for those really cool murals; taggers are those wastes of flesh with nothing better to do than hose a wall with random lines and shapes, then claim it's some sort of "signature."

      Regarding this KATSU person, it appears from a Google image search that he's of the latter group.

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    2. Re:Great, just what we need by gurps_npc · · Score: 1
      The cities are just as much to blame as the people you insult with your quotes.

      Even just restricting it to graffiti, cities do stupid things like declaring chalk is graffiti - even though it washes away with rain - and arresting kids.

      The artists don't destroy neighborhoods, the cities let them get destroyed so that they are incredibly ugly, refusing to clean them up. At least until some kid comes along and paints a wall that is falling down. Then finally the city comes in and white washes it. Simultaneously they leave the subway stations full of dirt and garbage, smelling of urine, being unwilling to whitewash them.

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    3. Re:Great, just what we need by CRCulver · · Score: 2

      graffiti artists are the people responsible for those really cool murals; [google.com]

      You know what's really cool? Getting the permission of the owner of a property (or local government) before practicing one's art. The painting can be as whizbang as one can imagine, but without that authorization from whoever owns or manages the wall, "cool" is not the word for it.

    4. Re:Great, just what we need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Real professionals get permission and permits first.

      If KATSU is doing this without pre approval then he's no different than any other punk with a spray can.

    5. Re:Great, just what we need by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      graffiti artists are the people responsible for those really cool murals; [google.com]

      You know what's really cool? Getting the permission of the owner of a property (or local government) before practicing one's art.

      Whoever said that never happens?

      Of course, part of the problem with government permission is that the people running the local government are often morons (at least, that's my experience), so they ignore the requests from good artists, and instead award the contracts to buddies of buddies.

      The painting can be as whizbang as one can imagine, but without that authorization from whoever owns or manages the wall, "cool" is not the word for it.

      That's your opinion, and you're welcome to it. I disagree.

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    6. Re:Great, just what we need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, part of the problem with government permission is that the people running the local government are often morons (at least, that's my experience), so they ignore the requests from good artists, and instead award the contracts to buddies of buddies.

      So what? If you don't get approval then tuff shit. You have no right to deface someone else's or public property with your eyesore graffiti.

    7. Re:Great, just what we need by CRCulver · · Score: 1

      Even just restricting it to graffiti, cities do stupid things like declaring chalk is graffiti - even though it washes away with rain.

      Even temporary vandalism can have an effect on property values and, assuming the broken window theory holds (which I myself am uncertain of), possibly crime rates. So, it makes sense to prosecute those creating images with chalk without the authorization of whoever owns or manages the surface they are covering.

    8. Re:Great, just what we need by I'm+not+god+any+more · · Score: 1

      More graffitis in cities...

      Not if there's a huge army of cleanup drones.. From the look of that video we'll see cleanup drones before graffiti drones.

    9. Re:Great, just what we need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      graffiti artists are the people responsible for those really cool murals;

      You are confusing eyesores with art.

    10. Re:Great, just what we need by Khashishi · · Score: 1

      Look at the video. He IS practicing on canvas at home. It just doesn't reflect in his skill.

    11. Re:Great, just what we need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He'll then leave home and start vandalizing other peoples property with his eyesore graffiti.

      That's the problem.

    12. Re:Great, just what we need by akirapill · · Score: 1

      And yet, when disgusting glass and steel monstrosities start blighting gentrified neighborhoods, the 'property rights' brigade thinks that's all well and good. I'd call that ruining a cityscape infinitely more than a little paint from someone trying to develop a positive creative outlet. (yes I am aware that some graffitti is gang-related - that type tends to have (much much) lower artistic value) I guess the rights of real estate developers to make money mean more than the rights of people who actually live there to determine what their neighborhood looks like.

    13. Re:Great, just what we need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet, when disgusting glass and steel monstrosities start blighting gentrified neighborhoods,

      One of those went though a legal approval process to get permission.

      If you don't like it you can go fuck yourself. Graffiti is just straight up eyesore vandalism.

    14. Re:Great, just what we need by CRCulver · · Score: 1

      Whoever said that never happens?

      You told your fellows here to look at a Google image search where there were both murals painted as a result of some community-authorized project and others painted without permission. For you to now claim that you were advocating for authorized artworks is disingenuous.

    15. Re:Great, just what we need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The artists don't destroy neighborhoods,

      Artists don't vandalize other peoples property with their eyesore graffiti.

    16. Re:Great, just what we need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is so much BS required to actually paint something I can see how artistic types who can think outside the box will ignore the average persons tenancy to embrace authoritarianism.

      You can't even get a permit without paperwork and $$$ fees. We are so bad that you can't even exercise your 1st amendment rights without a permit. (no, not speech, the peaceable assembly part we don't care defend... and we didn't put up much of a fight when free speech zones were put up. no fight at all when money === speech. We tax the press but not churches. WTF? In my city the largest land owner downtown is the church, they make millions; it's no wonder they act more like a business...)

    17. Re:Great, just what we need by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      Whoever said that never happens?

      You told your fellows here to look at a Google image search where there were both murals painted as a result of some community-authorized project and others painted without permission.

      My fault, I suppose, for forgetting about all the pedants out there. Sorry for presuming the whole of my audience was not petty, and intelligent enough to understand the point I was making without requiring me to break out the whiteboard and markers and draw it out point-by-point.

      For you to now claim that you were advocating for authorized artworks is disingenuous.

      I've claimed no such thing, and in fact have implied the opposite - when you said that you believed, "'cool' is not the word for [unauthorized art installations]," I specifically disagreed with that statement.

      Your outrage is misplaced.

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    18. Re:Great, just what we need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      graffiti artists are the people responsible for those really cool murals; [google.com]

      You know what's really cool? Getting the permission of the owner of a property (or local government) before practicing one's art.

      They never got our permission to take up all the good spots.

    19. Re:Great, just what we need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless someone paid you to paint it on their building. Or asked you to. You're still just a shitbag criminal calling yourself an 'artist' and are making the world a worse place.

    20. Re:Great, just what we need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You talk like the city is the one crapping up the place... Nope. it's the people.

      Each and every single one of them that thinks THEIR "art" and THEIR "statement" is a good thing that anybody wanted. The people destroy their own neighborhoods and everyone expects someone else to pay for and clean it up.

      Just fucking stop ruining everything already.

    21. Re:Great, just what we need by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      If he did not get permission from the building owner for every piece of "art" he created, then he's merely a vandal with better PR.

    22. Re:Great, just what we need by cyn1c77 · · Score: 1

      graffiti artists are the people responsible for those really cool murals;

      The thing is, those "really cool murals" aren't as cool when you find one on your house one morning. Or on your fence that you just had painted. The day that you are having a big party at your house for your staid work colleagues, including your boss.

  9. vandals or arrogant pricks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah street "art" is all fun and games, until someone paints up YOUR property.

  10. Vice magazine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope slashdot is getting paid to link to Vice magazine.

  11. I hate graffiti! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It would be great if he'd slip off the edge of a bridge and die.

  12. Waiting... by Richy_T · · Score: 2

    For the big yellow smiley face on the statue of liberty in light-sensitive paint.

    1. Re:Waiting... by oodaloop · · Score: 1

      That's just asking for a red drop of human bean juice to be painted on it.

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  13. Not impressed. by jcr · · Score: 1

    Let us know when he can actually control it. Right now it looks like he's channeling Jackson Pollock.

    -jcr

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    1. Re:Not impressed. by bluescrn · · Score: 2

      I don't really want to give him ideas, but attaching a pair of wheels/castors to the front of the drone might allow it to roll up and down a large/smooth vertical 'canvas' with far less flying skill than required for a close hover...

    2. Re:Not impressed. by timeOday · · Score: 2
      What would be a good UI for this? Too automated, and it's just a big inkjet printer. (You will see research papers doing that in the next few years, I'm certain.) This is fine except the art wouldn't really be getting anything new from the medium, just printed in a different way.

      But joysticking in 3d to operate on a 2d canvas doesn't seem right either.

  14. Re:The countermeasures will be far more interestin by oodaloop · · Score: 1

    ultimately strafing the vandals who sent them with gatling guns full of spent U238 bullets, cleaning up both our streets and the gene pool.

    Brutally murdering people for graffiti aside, why would a gun be full of spent rounds?

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  15. Re:The countermeasures will be far more interestin by GTRacer · · Score: 1

    A DPU strafing would clean the gene pool, but I doubt it would have the same effect on the streets, gibs and all that...

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  16. I respect his talent, but .... by King_TJ · · Score: 1

    Like other people said, it's too bad these artists disrespect the property rights of others.

    It takes some practice to fly these drones well, even though they have such high-tech features as on-board GPS systems and smartphone or tablet software as control devices in many cases. They're usually smart enough to do things like stop moving and hover in place, when they lose a control signal, until you catch back up with them. But flying one precisely enough to draw actual paintings with spray paint is surely not something everyone can just run out and do well.

    I'd like to see this become a new "thing" ... but in a more acceptable setting. I think people would enjoy watching or even pay to see good artists creating art with flying drones -- but spraying it on places where they were ALLOWED to do it!

    1. Re:I respect his talent, but .... by Khashishi · · Score: 1

      In the jungle there are no property rights.

      If you consider the environment some of these youths were raised in, yes, it's a jungle.

    2. Re:I respect his talent, but .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you consider the environment some of these youths were raised in, yes, it's a jungle.

      Grafitti advocates like to emphasize that graffiti is not merely the province of "ghetto" youth but is a hobby and art pursued by people of all walks of life, including squarely middle-class people from city suburbs.

  17. Baseball bat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Smack. Dead.

    If only it were that easy with the Angels of Death that the governments can afford, which hover above us and can record and kill anyone at any time. It's a dystopian technocracy, all this. The exact opposite of what the future was supposed to become like. And you're all cheering them on. Except for a few enlightened souls with zero power.

  18. touche' by mccrew · · Score: 1

    ...wish I had mod points for you today.

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  19. Re:The countermeasures will be far more interestin by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

    ultimately strafing the vandals who sent them with gatling guns full of spent U238 bullets, cleaning up both our streets and the gene pool.

    Brutally murdering people for graffiti aside, why would a gun be full of spent rounds?

    The GP is talking about depleted uranium rounds They are used mainly for armor piercing because the rounds are very dense and can be made thinner than a lead round of the same density to decrease drag. Why the GP feels we need these to hunt down some guy with a can of spray paint, I couldn't tell you.

  20. So many questions... by mark_reh · · Score: 1

    If the drone contributes 50% or more of the final output, is it still art? Even if the drone didn't contribute, would it still be art?
    How usable with this be high up in the air next to a building when the wind is blowing?
    What about the air pollution produced by spraying paint with VOCs all over the place? Are graffiti "artists" insensitive to environmental concerns?

    I think it would be better to use the quad blades to lift the drone to the desired height then use a ducted fan or other technology to adhere the thing to the building and then spray under real control, without the wind blowing the drone all over the place. After completing the "art", it would detach itself and fly back home.

    1. Re:So many questions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's graffiti. There is no point in worrying about how much the drone did because it's not even art in the first place.

  21. Can't Wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Free targets for my Beeman .25 pellet rifle. You tag, you get shot.

  22. Tagging by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 1

    I suppose that what you Americans call "tagging" is known in my country (Brazil) as "pichação". This "art" is made by animals marking their "territory", and the only thing that works well against this urban blight is a good bullet in the head. Or even better, two bullets to ensure. There is no more depressing thing than seeing your entire city tagged by these animals (And believe me, they also act and talk like animals).

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  23. That is *not* a Graffiti Drone ... by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    That is *not* a Graffiti Drone, it's an RC Quadcopter with a Spraycan attached. Hopelessly imbalanced and overladen, aimlessly spraying paint about and barely even hitting the space it's supposed to paint on, let alone drawing anything remotely resembling usefull graffity.

    These guys have a long way to go.

    My 2 cents.

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  24. Depleted uranium cleaning up the gene pool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If by cleaning up the gene pool, you mean polluting urban centers with carcinogenic depleted uranium, so that many more innocent bystanders' DNA gets damaged...

  25. Re:The countermeasures will be far more interestin by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 1

    Why the GP feels we need these to hunt down some guy with a can of spray paint, I couldn't tell you.

    Wait until your entire neighborhood get covered in gangsta-like tagging, and then you will understand the reason for this.

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  26. nothing new here, just easier then rappelling by vpness · · Score: 1

    I don't get the drone vs rappelling on rope issue. I'm open to being educated tho. What I see is that in the past, people defaced others property - public or private, up close and personal. Now with a drone, the defacer can deface others property without having to put themselves at risk. What's changed? Maybe there'll be a real issue when someone operating a drone defaces property and someone gets killed cleaning up as they had to rappel to sandblast the paint. This is similar to stealing copyrighted material from the internet vs stealing from a walmart. They're both stealing, the internet you can steal with much lower risk of getting caught. ----- full disclosure - perhaps I'm a hypocrite, but 'illegal' BASE doesn't bother me as much as there is (likely) no damage to property.

  27. Re:The countermeasures will be far more interestin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because they make the world a worse place. And it's OBVIOUS. So really easy to spot and control. Not much to interpert in the action.

    If you don't own the space or have permission to paint there. Don't fucking paint there. It's really simple.

    If you want the 'right' to paint whatever the fuck you want. Anywhere you want. You need to goto some 3rd world shithole and get to it. Here in the civilized world we like to keep our property the way we wanted it. Not the way some dipshit with a spraycan thought it should be.

  28. Just another pothead vandal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now we just need armed drones to execute vandals like KATSU.

  29. Oh. Those drones. by Lord_Breetai · · Score: 1

    From the article title I thought they could be like something out of "All Tomorrow's Parties".

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  30. Re:The countermeasures will be far more interestin by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

    Why the GP feels we need these to hunt down some guy with a can of spray paint, I couldn't tell you. Wait until your entire neighborhood get covered in gangsta-like tagging, and then you will understand the reason for this.

    So it's better to have high velocity radioactive waste flying around and fragmenting all over the place? These types of rounds are meant for use on a battlefield against tanks and armored targets where collateral damage is no little to no concern. Not in urban areas with civilians for a backstop. A stray DU round could easily go through your house, continue on through your neighbors house, through their neighbors house and come to rest half way through the engine block of their neighbors car. And that's if all of the houses are brick

    A drone that would need this type of shell to bring it down would probably be too heavy to get off the ground. And it's sure as hell not going to be what someone who wants to put their tag on a bridge is going to use. A shotgun type shell with plastic pellets would probably be much more sensible.

    Or do you think they need this type of round to target the person controlling the drone? Are they living in a armor and reinforced concrete underground bomb shelter? If not, then this is pretty damn stupid. But just to be sure, I volunteer your neighborhood for testing. Perhaps they can see how a MOAB fairs. You know, just to be sure.

  31. Re:The countermeasures will be far more interestin by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 1

    I do not believe you're so stupid ... I'll summarize for you: I agree with the idea that taggers should be killed. BUT, do not cross your mind at any time the guy overreacted INTENTIONALLY? Do you really, really think someone will use DU bullets against a civilian drone? Geez!

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  32. Saw the video by Windwraith · · Score: 1

    I expected the little widdle drone doing something...you know, that resembled a drawing or a pattern, even if it's just a signature or a smiley face or a pattern of dots or something.

    Instead the poor bugger just stumbles around with a constant stream of paint. That's not very artistic at all, it just gets the wall dirty.
    The drone in the video does what any RC quadcopter would do if you attached a permanently-on paint spray to it. For someone regarded as an artist I expected something...artistic. Or at least technologically advanced or autonomous or using a complex control system, this being Slashdot and all.

    Yeah naive me for expecting something else, I know, my fault entirely.

    1. Re:Saw the video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You just don't understand art.

      Art is anything a person with a hedonistic streak and a sense of entitlement creates, says, or even farts.

  33. Why dont you jack wagons get permission to paint. by ralphaostrander · · Score: 1

    It is ugly and ruins neighborhoods that already have enough problems. It is vandalism not art. Buy your own walls what your not that good to afford your own. Or you dont want that crap on your own wall.

  34. Re:Why dont you jack wagons get permission to pain by Windwraith · · Score: 1

    I know of a bunch of shops and bakeries that hired graffiti artists to paint something on their fence, and in all cases it was a great job. You can only see them when the shop is closed, but still. Some towns also let good stuff survive. Not all graffiti is some idiot tagging a wall.

    Although, in this very specific case it's just vandalism. The drone can't even be manipulated to draw a sorry smiley face or a square or anything, it just gets the wall dirty at random. It's not even a drone given how poorly controlled it is. It's a wannabe drone.

  35. A trained giraffe could do better. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Interesting idea, but seriously don't exhibit until you have mastered a new tool.

  36. "Speculative vandalism" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... is where I stopped reading.