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How Apple's CarPlay Could Shore Up the Car Stereo Industry

Velcroman1 writes: "Car stereo salesmen and installers around the country are hoping Apple's CarPlay in-car infotainment system will have a big presence in the aftermarket car stereo industry. The Nikkei Asian Review reports that Alpine is making car stereo head units for between $500 – $700 that will run the iOS-like system Apple unveiled last month, and Macrumors added Clarion to the list of CarPlay supporters. Pioneer is also getting into the game, with support said to be coming to existing car stereo models in its NEX line ($700 – $1400) via firmware update, according to Twice. Given Apple's wildly supportive fan base, its likely that a lot of aftermarket CarPlay units are about to fly off stereo shop shelves. Indeed, CarPlay coming to aftermarket stereo units could bring back what Apple indirectly stole from the industry going back as far as 2006."

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  1. Wouldn't trust Apple by StripedCow · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I wouldn't trust Apple. When this becomes successful, before you know it, they will force other manufacturers out of the market. Look at how they are controlling the app-store, and forcing developers to not compete with Apple's products.

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    1. Re:Wouldn't trust Apple by green1 · · Score: 2

      CarPlay is likely to assume integration with an iphone. fewer consumers have iphones than have non-iphones. Why do you think most people would demand a system that is unlikely to work well with their phones?

    2. Re:Wouldn't trust Apple by iluvcapra · · Score: 2

      Okay here we go

      I have the following:
      $600,000 loft (and appropriate decor/rooftop pool)
      BMW 328i
      84 IMDb credits, and my crew has won three Oscars
      2 dogs
      2 iPhones
      1 Macbook Air
      2 MacPros
      (I also have a MacBook running ubuntu)

      I am uncertain of the future of tech without Apple products.
      I just don't 'get' the obnoxious contrarianism of Android products. Or their enormous screens, or their uniformly poor OS upgrade and hardware support, or Google's completely obscure roadmap for Android.

      The thing Apple is selling you, beside the hardware, is the complete integrated product. They take your money, they give you something that works, that's their sole "monetization" strategy. Unlike everyone else in the business, trying to suck you into their various creepy ad/clickstream/search front-running scams.

      I won't even go into the Google tracking everything you do to, you know, "help" you.

      This isn't the 1990s, competitive Apple products are always competitively priced. It's the feature packages on Apple kit that people get upset about.

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    3. Re:Wouldn't trust Apple by nomanisanisland · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Most of Apple's customers are children, yuppies, and idiots. No one who actually understands technology[hardware and software] and mathematics buys Apple products.

      That's interesting, since I meet a lot of software developers at other companies and the most common laptop maker they have (by far) are Apple ones: MBP or Air. Now maybe it's the tech industry I'm in (networking), or the type of developers I meet (highly paid ones who travel), but they can't all be stupid.

      I used to tease them about it, until I got one because I was fed up with my employer-supplied laptop... and I have to say they are really, really good. There are some very frustrating things about Apple, no debate, but compared to the competition? Not even close. If I want to boot to linux or run it in a VM I can, but sometimes you just want something that works well without being a sysadmin; and the physical design is really good.

      They're way expensive, but it's the thing you use all day, every day. If you can afford it at all, I think it's worth it. If you can't afford it, there's nothing to argue over.

      It's like arguing over monitors. If you can afford a 30" or bigger IPS and you would use it all the time, get one. If you can't, don't complain that you don't need the extra inch or two.

    4. Re:Wouldn't trust Apple by nomanisanisland · · Score: 2

      Probably because it's geared towards the high-end of the market. The aftermarket stereos and cars this is geared toward are luxury ones, not economy brands. My guess is the demographics of that market are more in Apple's iPhone/iPad sweet-spot than Android's. But I have no data to back that up, just personal observation.

    5. Re:Wouldn't trust Apple by the_B0fh · · Score: 2

      But but but... there's over 1 billion Android phones out there!!! That only 2%-5% are running the latest Android, and they're still selling Android v2 phones? *IRRELEVANT!!!*

  2. The Real Breakthrough - non auto-maker Maps by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    I don't know if CarPlay will gain any traction. Since Apple has no control over quality of implementation, we'll see some really awful interfaces on top of CarPlay...

    But one great aspect of CarPlay has already done something I thought would not happen for a while - breaking the car manufactures monopoly on in-car mapping. Car makers have been constantly pushing very over-priced terrible in-car GPS systems for a while, and CarPlay at least brings a reasonable and cheap mapping system into cars without having to replace the whole stereo system and/or shoe-horn in a screen. I could see many people adopting a CarPlay stereo just for that.

    One thing I really wish would happen would be to have the car industry be also mandated to provide third-party access to all of the screens that will be mandated in cars soon because of the back-up cameras... that could lead to a real renaissance in what smart-phones can do for you in-car.

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    1. Re:The Real Breakthrough - non auto-maker Maps by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

      This won't stop the car industry.
      I can't easily replace the navigation system in my car, because it controls the air-con.
      The whole system is integrated in to the dash, the steering wheel controls, the trip computer and air conditioning.

      There are aftermarket options on ebay, but the risk it won't work is high - The car is made in Japan with several options for air con (single/dual zone) and is visibly identical to other models made in USA which may or may not be wired the same. Added to the fact the model name of the Japanese car is the same as a completely different USA model and the one that's physically the same as a different name.

    2. Re:The Real Breakthrough - non auto-maker Maps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      I can't easily replace the navigation system in my car, because it controls the air-con.
      The whole system is integrated in to the dash, the steering wheel controls, the trip computer and air conditioning.

      This article is a load of toss. The problem is right here. Even before apple/android devices were around, automakers did their best to frustrate after-market installers by using odd dash shapes, surrounds, and separate control panels. With the advent of Nav and touchscreen controls(and the various iDrive systems on some makes), the problem is swiftly getting worse.

      Nearly all new Ford, Chrysler, and GM products have some sort of touchscreen "radio" that also contains the environmental controls, adjustable seat settings, Nav (if equipped), and various other things that no longer have separate dash controls. Foreign makes have been going this way for several years in higher end vehicles. The only way to get a radio that can be removed without affecting other equipment is to buy a base, fleet-trim vehicle that doesn't have any other options to begin with.

      CarPlay is too late; it is no longer possible to install aftermarket head units in more than 90% of new cars on the market.

    3. Re:The Real Breakthrough - non auto-maker Maps by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 2

      The point you're missing about maps is that maps in car play is fed via Apple maps. Which updates more frequently than maps for car systems.

      Car manufacturers don't mind giving up control over things like the entertainment system provided it works better than what they can do. A lot of makers are signed up for it. From BMW to Hyundai to ford and GM.

      How it'll do in the future... No one knows.

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    4. Re:The Real Breakthrough - non auto-maker Maps by dk20 · · Score: 2

      "breaking the car manufactures monopoly on in-car mapping..."

      Will this be similar to how apple "broke the monopoly on ebooks" http://online.wsj.com/news/art...
      Or how they "Broke the monopoly on hiring". http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/...

      Ever heard of getting a third party GPS for like $99 at costco with lifetime maps? When it gets old i just throw it out and get a newer/faster/whatever one.
      Far cheaper then getting the fancy in-dash model and not being able to replace it.

      "One thing I really wish would happen would be to have the car industry be also mandated to provide third-party access to all of the screens"

      Really, you think that is fair? Would it work the other way as in i think apple should be mandated to provide third party access to their very lucrative add-on market (cords, chargers, etc).
      Why should the auto industry be "forced" to open up to a company which is known for vendor lockin?

    5. Re:The Real Breakthrough - non auto-maker Maps by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

      Will this be similar to how apple "broke the monopoly on ebooks" http://online.wsj.com/news/art...

      Possibly, Apple tried to save us from an Amazon monopoly and failed.

      Ever heard of getting a third party GPS for like $99 at costco with lifetime maps?

      Yes, and they suck compared to a smartphone because they aren't integrated with anything. I have some left over from the Old Days.

      Really, you think that is fair? Would it work the other way as in i think apple should be mandated

      Get the stick out of your ass man. I was talking about car regulations. Any device can charge by USB now so your griping looks like lunacy.

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  3. Less apple more ISO standard interface please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I recently bought a new car with the USB dongle in the glove cabinet to hook stuff directly to the car stereo. (a 2000 bucks option)

    They failed to mention it only supports apple products.

    Its time that a ISO standard arrives for cars so i can hook any device to it that supports the standard.

  4. If Apple infotainment is great why dont we see it by Trachman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If Apple infotainment is great why don't we see it in the airplanes. We don't see it because it is damn too expensive. I do respect Apple's commercial acumen, quality, design and innovations, but I don't own any of the apple's products nor am I planning to, and I have tried..... No offense to Mac owners and I have heard a lot about their quality and durability. When someone is buying and Iphone, it is easy to bury equipment depreciation to service provider fee. When someone will buy a car in the nearest future, apple infotainment will be one of the many junk services that people will just cross out. I quietly hope that Apple infotaintment will take the same place among junk fees and services such as extended gold service plan, super coated seat protection, anti-theft glass engravings, floor plan fee and other.

  5. Siri in my car? by PPH · · Score: 3, Funny

    After listening to the kids for a while, all she says is, "Don't make me pull over and come back there!"

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  6. Re:If Apple infotainment is great why dont we see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Like this? Where it's free? Across a whole airline?

    http://www.cultofmac.com/26985...

  7. Why spend another $700 for a car stereo by plebeian · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What I really want is someone to design a micro USB car dock and app so that I can plug my android phone in and have it replace the Stereo and GPS, charge, and allow me to display performance data (a la Torque) at the same time. All I really need mounted in the dash is an AMP and speakers. P.S. make it compatible with tablets as well..

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    1. Re:Why spend another $700 for a car stereo by Scowler · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How is this better than vanilla Bluetooth Audio?

    2. Re:Why spend another $700 for a car stereo by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Already exists, it's called MirrorLink and several manufacturers of cars and after-market head units support it. There is also the proprietary but well hacked Pioneer AppRadio. Plug your phone in and stash it out of the way, the screen is fully mirrored with touch control in the dash and you can even use the car's GPS antenna.

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  8. Apple stole nothing by zerofoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The car electronics companies gave away the market. I was in car audio for years while in college. I sold and installed almost every brand you can stick into a dashboard - that was in the 90s.

    Mobile electronics interfaces are still stuck in the 90s. The mobile industry has completely ignored the user interface advancements of the last 10 years. Take a look at the average aftermarket radio - buttons and dot-matrix LED displays that should have been replaced years ago.

    Don't even get me started about bluetooth in car - absolutely no mobile manufacturer makes a stable bluetooth implementation. They all universally suck.

    The best thing I put into my car was a bracket to hold my smartphone. After trying 5 different headunits, I finally gave up trying to find one that approaches the functionality and usability of my Nexus and iOS devices.

    The mobile electronics companies screwed this up - apple stole nothing from them.

    1. Re:Apple stole nothing by Toshito · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Buttons are the way to go for an interface in a car. That and big knobs or switches. Something with a lot of tactile feedback. Just look at an airplane's cockpit.

      A touch interface has no place in a car, much too dangerous to use, and totally useless in winter when it's -30C and you wear gloves. The screen becomes slow as molasses and you can't control it without removing your gloves.

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  9. I recently bought a peripheral that didn't work! by mveloso · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I recently spent $35,000 on a peripheral for my phone, but I forgot to check if the peripheral worked with my phone.

    Can someone write a law that says that all peripherals have to work with my phone?

    Thank you very much.

    Signed, ignorant consumer.

  10. You do by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    You know those USB ports in the back of some airlines seats? You can use them to stream video from an iPad.

    That was from 2006... I thought I had read recently where some airline was working on a system where you could get in-flight movies on your iPad.

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  11. Dead-end Market? by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 2

    I'm confused. Wasn't the last car capable of a having an after-market head unit installed manufactured a solid 10 years ago? I fail to see the point. The number of such cars is on a rapid decline. For collectors if you're going to buy an ancient car, then wouldn't you be buying it for nostalgia's sake and want the old crappy radio that came with it?

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    1. Re:Dead-end Market? by David_Hart · · Score: 2

      I'm confused. Wasn't the last car capable of a having an after-market head unit installed manufactured a solid 10 years ago? I fail to see the point. The number of such cars is on a rapid decline. For collectors if you're going to buy an ancient car, then wouldn't you be buying it for nostalgia's sake and want the old crappy radio that came with it?

      Pretty much, unless you buy a car with just the basic radio. I traded in my 2003 Murano for a new car last summer and it was 10 years old. The A/C controls were built into the Bose radio system. It took an aftermarket company 7 years to release a control panel that would let you swap out the stereo system. Once they did, I was able to replace the crappy Bose with a Kenwood Navigation system without losing any functionality.

      My new car is a 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee and I have the Uconnect 8.4 infotainment system. It's a good system, but everything is built-in to the unit. It would be necessary to get an add-on module on top of a new stereo system to retain all of the current functionality. The only company that I know of that is on the cutting edge of developing these modules is iDataLink (http://maestro.idatalink.com/). They don't have a module for my car yet, but they do have modules for GM On Star, Ford Sync, and older Uconnect systems.

      Personally, I wouldn't replace any stereo system to get CarPlay. In my opinion, its a dumbed down system because it requires you to use your cell phone for the majority of the functionality. Plus, if you have a family who all drive the car, everyone will need an iPhone. Give me a unit with built-in Garmin GPS any day....

  12. Re:If Apple infotainment is great why dont we see by Anubis+IV · · Score: 2

    There is no service or fee associated with this feature. It's not something you subscribe to, any more than you subscribe to Windows or your Sony alarm clock. This product is simply an app that sits on top of Blackberry's QNX operating system that drives a lot of the high-end car stereos, allowing the stereo to interface more easily with iOS products. Nothing more. You're not even locked into using it, since you can exit out to the car manufacturer's QNX interface.

    Moreover, suggesting we'd see it in airplanes first makes little sense, given that retrofitting entire fleets costs a HELL of a lot more than adding a new feature to a line of cars that gets updated every single year. Besides which, some fleets actually are testing services where they offer in-flight movies free to iPad users, though that's in no way relevant to this discussion, other than that both involve Apple products.

  13. Smartphone king of offline mapping also by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    How well do the maps work when you don't have cell coverage in most cars? Just fine.

    Same is true of the phone. Either you can buy any offline mapping program ranging from $10-$20, or just use what offline maps exist in Google/Apple maps (Apple maps once it starts a nav route no longer requires a network to get to where you are going).

    Those are all updated automatically, for free, and I can chose the navigation I think works best for where I am.

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  14. Re:in-car is legacy-ware by Barsteward · · Score: 2

    Try read this for more info .... http://www.computerworld.com/s...

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