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Snowden to Critics: Questioning Putin Has Opened Conversation About Surveillance

The Guardian carries Edward Snowden's detailed rebuttal to critics who say that his recent live-TV interaction with Vladimir Putin, in which Snowden asked whether the Russian government was engaged in spying on Russian citizens' communications, was a scripted moment intended to curry or maintain favor with Putin. After all, Snowden is currently living in Russia, where he has been granted only temporary harbor, goes this argument, so he is at the mercy of the Russian government, and has just gamely thrown Putin a softball. (Slashdot reader Rambo Tribble said the exchange had a "canned quality," a sentiment widely echoed.) Snowden writes that, far from being a whitewash of actual policies by the Russian government, his question ("Does [your country] intercept, analyse or store millions of individuals' communications?") "was intended to mirror the now infamous exchange in US Senate intelligence committee hearings between senator Ron Wyden and the director of national intelligence, James Clapper, about whether the NSA collected records on millions of Americans, and to invite either an important concession or a clear evasion"; he decribes Putin's answer as a combination of inconsistent denial and evasion. Snowden writes: "I blew the whistle on the NSA's surveillance practices not because I believed that the United States was uniquely at fault, but because I believe that mass surveillance of innocents – the construction of enormous, state-run surveillance time machines that can turn back the clock on the most intimate details of our lives – is a threat to all people, everywhere, no matter who runs them. Last year, I risked family, life, and freedom to help initiate a global debate that even Obama himself conceded 'will make our nation stronger.' I am no more willing to trade my principles for privilege today than I was then. I understand the concerns of critics, but there is a more obvious explanation for my question than a secret desire to defend the kind of policies I sacrificed a comfortable life to challenge: if we are to test the truth of officials' claims, we must first give them an opportunity to make those claims."

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  1. Dumbass by ZouPrime · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's Russia, you twit! How can there be a Russian conversation about domestic surveillance when they have trouble having political opposition, let alone a free press! The Russian Federation is 148th in the 2014 Reporters Without Borders World free press index, and here you are, talking about how you asked a tough question to a leader who doesn't give a shit about looking hypocritical or lying, and has been using you for the last 10 months to discredit the West while he goes forward with his project of grand russian unification.

    1. Re:Dumbass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The only way there can be such a conversation is if people try to start it.
      If you have a better idea, feel free to go to Russia and try out your idea.
      Frankly, I don't think you are even one tenth as brave as Snowden who has now deliberately and explicitly "bit the hand that feeds him" in public.

    2. Re:Dumbass by Thruen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm not sure I understand the issue here. Russia has a seriously limited press, yes, but how does that lead to believing he shouldn't have asked the question at all. Wasn't this broadcast live? Even if many Russians couldn't watch it, many could and did. When a country has such a restricted press, the solution is not to stop trying to get the truth out. Sure, there are bigger issues, in Russia and elsewhere. But Snowden is now famous for revealing his home country's mass surveillance program, wouldn't it make sense for him to try and continue down that path? Would it have made more sense to you if he went to Russia and then started fighting for freedom for homosexuals and forgot all about mass surveillance?

      Even in the US, we haven't done much about what he exposed, we haven't thrown anyone in jail for lying through their teeth about the program, instead we (and you, right now) have been focusing on discrediting the person who gave up everything in order to tell the truth. How can you sit there and say he should stop trying to expose corruption because the corrupt are too corrupt to care? Why don't we tell everyone under an oppressive government they should just give up and live with it?

      Maybe instead of complaining that Snowden should've known better than to ask, you should be complaining that Putin is lying yet again, considering that's the actual problem. I can't understand why people think he should've just not bothered asking when he had the opportunity.

    3. Re:Dumbass by mi · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Imagine for a minute, an associate of Alan Turing escaping Bletchely Park in 1944 with files recording the facility's activity — and with details of its capability to decrypt Enigma traffic.

      He is outraged about the government's attempts — often successful — to intercept other people messages (some intercepts leading to deaths of hundreds) and is smart enough to envision the future, where such ungentlemanly conduct will become common place. And so he goes public with the materials he took with him, holding a press-conference somewhere — say, in Switzerland.

      Because none of the UK allies will have him, and he fears the Allies' long hand in neutral Switzerland, he takes refuge in Germany, where he is promptly drained of all the information he carries (in files and head)? Germans modify their encryption practices and Bletchley Park is no longer able to decode the communications.

      Should the man's life not be hell after that? Or should he simply be hung for treason?

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    4. Re:Dumbass by ShakaUVM · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >Should the man's life not be hell after that? Or should he simply be hung for treason?

      Treason is "a citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the parent nation."

      If you seriously think that the *people* of the United States are the enemies of the United States, and aiding them is "treason", then you are completely beyond any hope of redemption.

    5. Re:Dumbass by Archimonde · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't have time to write a full answer, but I'll just give one counterpoint.

      During the 1944 there was a World War going on changing the comparison dramatically.

      Bletchley park was strictly a military/couter intelligence operation working against Axis, while the NSA is fcuking surveillance on a world scale against *everyone*.

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    6. Re:Dumbass by Maritz · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Imagine for a minute, an associate of Alan Turing escaping Bletchely Park in 1944 with files recording the facility's activity — and with details of its capability to decrypt Enigma traffic.

      lol, thanks for cobbling together one of the most tortured analogies I've seen on this. Was the Enigma machine intercepting communications of millions of civilians? I'm amazed I didn't realise that.

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    7. Re:Dumbass by Sabriel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I have mod points, but we're supposed to point out why someone is wrong rather than simply mod them down. So:

      Zimmerman Telegram? That was in 1917, during World War 1. The UK and Germany were officially at war and were _shooting at each other_.
      Bletchely Park? That was in 1944, during World War 2. The UK and Germany were again officially at war and were _shooting at each other_.
      Snowden Leaks? ... *looks around* ... I seemed to have missed the declaration of World War 3, the US and Russia are not officially at war and they are certainly not shooting at each other (to everyone's immense good fortune, because, y'know, nukes).

      Furthermore, if Russia seriously wanted to FUBAR the United States, it would not need Snowden to do it, because the American security apparatus has focused for so long on playing selfish little power games instead of remedying the nation's vulnerabilities that a precocious five year old could tell you how to cripple the country (and frankly, successive US governments have been doing a pretty bang up job of that on their own anyway).

    8. Re:Dumbass by mi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Snowden Leaks? ... *looks around* ... I seemed to have missed the declaration of World War 3, the US and Russia are not officially at war and they are certainly not shooting at each other (to everyone's immense good fortune, because, y'know, nukes).

      If you don't think, Russia is an enemy, then you have not been paying attention. You may not have anything against them, but they are sore and butthurt at the West and anxious for a revanche.

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      In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
  2. Why do people think Snowden would've done that? by Thruen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    After watching a man sacrifice his chances of living a normal life, fleeing the country he grew up in after doing what he felt was right, why did so many readily believe he was willing to give up his principals so easily? Obviously Putin wasn't going to give a straight answer, whether in the US or Russia or anywhere else politicians lie when it suits them. How often do we go after reporters, attacking them for asking questions they don't receive truthful answers to? The entire incident seemed a clear attempt at discrediting Snowden, something that should have been exceedingly obvious to everyone. I applaud him for having the courage to put his own safety on the line and ask Putin about mass surveillance. I'm sure he fully expected the dodgy answer he got, he may have even expected further consequences from Putin and his lackeys, but I doubt he expected people to turn around and say he shouldn't have asked the question to begin with. He shows more courage still coming out and challenging Putin's answer in this article. We owe him our gratitude, respect, and an apology.

  3. Re:Wrong Question by LMariachi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The proper questions to ask are those that you know something about. For Snowden to suddenly jump on LGBT rights or Chechen independence would come off as the type of issue-of-the-day “activism” sometimes seen with celebrities. It would make about as much sense as if Pussy Riot went on U.S. television to talk about Obamacare or the Keystone Pipeline.