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Tech People Making $100k a Year On the Rise, Again

Nerval's Lobster (2598977) writes "Last month, a report suggested that Austin has the highest salaries for tech workers (after factoring in the cost of living), followed by Atlanta, Denver, Boston, and Silicon Valley. Now, a new report (yes, from Dice, because it gathers this sort of data from tech workers) suggests that more tech people are earning six figures a year than ever. Some 32 percent of full-time tech pros took home more than $100,000 in 2013, according to the findings, up from 30 percent in 2012 and 26 percent in 2011. For contractors, the data is even better: In 2013, a staggering 54 percent of them earned more than $100,000 a year, up from 51 percent the previous year and 50 percent in 2011. How far that money goes depends on where you live, of course, but it does seem like a growing number of the world's tech workers are earning a significant amount of cash."

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  1. $100k today the equivalent of $80k in 2004 by bigpat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Making $100k today is about the equivalent of making $80k in 2004 or $72k in 2000. A decent salary... but making "six figures" ain't what it used to be.

    1. Re:$100k today the equivalent of $80k in 2004 by Charliemopps · · Score: 4, Funny

      What?!? According to the whitehouse, inflation's been at 0% since Jimmy Carter!

    2. Re:$100k today the equivalent of $80k in 2004 by bobbied · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Making $100k today is about the equivalent of making $80k in 2004 or $72k in 2000. A decent salary... but making "six figures" ain't what it used to be.

      And it never will again... The Bureau of Engraving and Printing is working 24x7 making sure of that.

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    3. Re:$100k today the equivalent of $80k in 2004 by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm sure anybody not currently making six figure salaries would still love to have one.

      And since that includes an awful lot of people, I'm sure there isn't any collective sympathy that "six figures ain't what it used to be".

      Because, really, neither is five figures.

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    4. Re:$100k today the equivalent of $80k in 2004 by scorp1us · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Oddly, I seem to exemplify this. I was on track up until the financial crisis then chaos ensued. But if we look at where I was in 2004 making ~$80k, then went higher, then back down at the crisis, and comparing my standard of living to now, it's completely the same. I have the same small house, paid-off car (but not the same paid off car) and the same or worse lifestyle. The only real difference is the economy is shakier and anyone can lose their job at any time. I know, it happened to me twice last year, despite stellar reviews. I spend way less money at the bar and I hardly eat out. The only positive is I am 10 years more into a mortgage. But I did get a dog.

      Treading water, I'm doing it right.

      This is all despite a very energetic attitude, high work ethic, and high work drive. I'm trying to get ahead. Even my dog has a higher work ethic than most people. But I'm still delightfully average. And even less secure than ever.

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    5. Re:$100k today the equivalent of $80k in 2004 by bobbied · · Score: 2

      You would prefer a fixed money supply?

      Not exactly, but certainly not the extremely loose monetary policy we now have. Perhaps just two shifts at the BPE and stop buying our own bonds with printed (or just made up digital equivalent) dollars? That might be nice...

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    6. Re:$100k today the equivalent of $80k in 2004 by scorp1us · · Score: 2

      He's got one. It's called bitcoin. How'st hat coming along?

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    7. Re:$100k today the equivalent of $80k in 2004 by buddyglass · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If someone will do the job for $X and not leave for greener pastures then $X is what they're "worth".

    8. Re:$100k today the equivalent of $80k in 2004 by buddyglass · · Score: 2

      Inflation since QE has not been outside historical levels. QE started around late 2008.

    9. Re:$100k today the equivalent of $80k in 2004 by bobbied · · Score: 2

      Yes, but inflation will be the result of QE, like it or not.

      I understand the hope is that we will return to growth by increasing the money supply, but there will be a down side to this eventually. I just hope the cure is less damaging than the disease. IMHO, QE is a short term tactical ploy with negative long term implications, but politics as they are, we are in a play now pay later game plan. It's all about the election coming up and not what really needs to be done, especially if it takes more than 10 words to explain because that doesn't fit in a sound bite.

      But hey, I'm just a lowly software engineer.... What does it matter what I say or think?

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    10. Re:$100k today the equivalent of $80k in 2004 by lgw · · Score: 2

      If you're single and have had a professional salary for 10 years, you should be halfway to retirement by now. Your wealth should be at the point where, while's there no way you could get by on it long term, there's simply no short-term financial stress in life.

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    11. Re:$100k today the equivalent of $80k in 2004 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If it's in a 401K, it's hard to get at. Plus, that money is earmarked for retirement, so having to dip into that or take out a home equity loan is borrowing from Peter to pay Paul. I have almost all my equity in my house and my 401K. That's already earmarked and if I were to lose my job for several months, I would have to dip into it.

      I would be covered, but that's still falling backwards, and stressful.

    12. Re:$100k today the equivalent of $80k in 2004 by bigpat · · Score: 4, Informative

      Given the trillion dollar or more per year injections of new money into the economy, the fact that there isn't more inflation is a cause of concern. The money injections seem to be happening primarily at the top and only partly trickling down into the wider economy which is showing up as income inequality and growth starting at the very top rather than being spread around which would show up in consumer inflation. I think the real threat in the trickle down way the Federal Reserve and the US government are distributing new money is that it is getting concentrated even more at the top and that is further undermining and diluting democracy and freedom.

      Certainly the new money does help to capitalize businesses and that has stabilized jobs, but the real long term sustainability of that "debt" will be premised on using Federal Reserve "profits" to balance the federal debt out over time rather than actually taking money out of the economy to pay it back later.

      Bottom line is that with all this new money being concentrated at the top because of the actions of the Federal Reserve and the stimulus, then we are going to need a set of public policies to try and restore the political and economic power of the middle income earners that has been eroding steadily for decades. Which I am arguing has happened as a direct result from the way that new money creation is distributed by the Federal Reserve and US Government.

      We need more ways to save income that are tax free combined with lower taxes on both the poor and middle class. And lower taxes or no taxes on job creating businesses. But higher taxes on very high individual incomes.

      Deficits and new money creation to support economic reforms to broaden the middle class and strengthen our democracy and freedom are a worthwhile investment in the future.

    13. Re:$100k today the equivalent of $80k in 2004 by buddyglass · · Score: 2

      Using Shadowstat's own custom formula, inflation post-QE is not significantly different from inflation in the 2-4 years prior to QE starting.

    14. Re:$100k today the equivalent of $80k in 2004 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm over 15 years into my job and most of my money is in retirement...I resent the fact that I won't be able to spend it all tax-free until I do retire though I understand rules are rules.

      With even $50K freely to spend right now, I could go travel the world, climb, skydive, bike, run along the beach...

      With $50K freely to spend when I'm 75...I could go travel the world in the airplane bathroom, climb into bed, dive into my oat bran, watch my grandson bike, and run to the doctor's office.

    15. Re:$100k today the equivalent of $80k in 2004 by lgw · · Score: 2

      Save more than what your 401K can hold. Seriously. If you're getting a professional salary, you should be saving at least 1/3rd of it. Half if you're single. Investing is a needed skill, and it takes years to develop, and you want to make your mistakes when you're starting and the stakes are low, not scramble after retirement to figure it out.

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    16. Re:$100k today the equivalent of $80k in 2004 by lgw · · Score: 2

      America has a massive cultural failing in teaching people about money. I didn't figure it out till I was 29, and apparently I'm ahead of the game. That's abominable. If I had learned all this stuff in school, I would have believed it by 25 and probably be retired now! But it's not just the schools - we need to make a real effort to teach our kids, friends, and co-workers.

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  2. ha! by Charliemopps · · Score: 2

    That's most likely due to "Tech" being considered more and more important in corporations and therefor leading clueless Directors and VPs to change their titles to include some tech sounding title to further their carers.

  3. Illustrates the need for more H1B visas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    There obviously is a demand/supply imbalance here, if salaries are heading north this quickly. Dramatically increasing the number of H1B visas would help to rein in these runaway salaries and would be great for businesses that have to compete on a world stage.

  4. factor in contractors? Then... by jaymz666 · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you factor in contractors then you need to factor in all the extra benefits of salaried workers. Such as 401k matches, medical insurance premiums, the other half of social security, etc.

  5. Contractor Vs. Employee by wjcofkc · · Score: 4, Informative

    As someone who has done a lot of contracting but has also done long stretches as a full-time employee, I would take less pay for a full-time position any day. As a contractor, insurance generally costs more and covers less. You also miss out on a lot of corporate perks. Further, contracts are usually defined as 3-months, 6-months, one-year with an unknown possibility of being hired on at the end of your contract. So as soon as you get cozy, poof! Then, if the contract does not specify a time limit, you never know when the ax will fall. There are misc. other downsides as well. So yes, I always made a lot more money as a contractor, but being a real employee is always better.

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    1. Re:Contractor Vs. Employee by gstoddart · · Score: 2

      For a short-term engagement, that's not bad at all, but it's awfully high for a 4-year stint. I'd love to learn more about how you came into the position, what it entails, etc. Would you be willing to share here, or at least privately?

      I can tell you in broad generalities ... there are some cities, especially ones with a large amount of companies who do oil and gas, where all of the companies mostly use consultants as the majority of their workforce. So almost all of the IT stuff is contracted out and overseen by employees.

      The people who can sign contracts and who oversee things are generally employees. Everybody else is a contractor. There is no "us and them" mentality, since most people are in the same boat, so you tend to get treated with some respect. Everybody plays nicely, and if the company likes your work, there's a good chance they'll keep renewing your contract. It's not uncommon for a contractor/consultant to be in a position of recommending options and driving projects or to have been around for years.

      It also has the benefit of being private sector and big money industries, which means when a decision is made, and the company accepts that the cost is necessary and beneficial, things actually get done.

      Since it's a mobile, contractor work force, there's always opportunities, and sometimes you get a very strange sense of collegiality among companies as the people who are there have likely worked at several others and still have good ties, and periodically check in to see how the other guys are doing things. IT is there to enable to people who do the real work of the company, so you get a really good service/results oriented culture. If you're competent, play by the rules, and do your job well ... well, who doesn't like that?

      In my case, due to a limited amount of people with experience with a specific piece of software, I actually live and work in a completely different city ... in fact, it's about a 4 hour flight. But, I've brought my expertise to the table, and people have responded well.

      And since they've been happy with my work, I've gotten renewed several times and am one of the people who makes the technical decisions about the stuff we maintain.

      But, everything from storage, to networking, to the sys-admins are contractor based workforce. And there's multiple companies all vying for the same workforce.

      So, honest answer, do some looking, see if you can identify a large city with a lot of presence of the headquarters of oil and gas companies, and check if they have the same kind of mostly-contractor work force. There may be other industries which have similar effects on cities.

      Maybe start looking in the Denver area. And, depending on your citizenship and mobility, maybe look a little North to something similar.

      It's not true in all cities, but there are certainly a few where the consulting market is quite lucrative and stable.

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  6. Contractors skew that number... by ErichTheRed · · Score: 2

    If you look at the percentages, contractors are much higher than FTEs. They also have much higher costs and less stable working conditions, which the higher rate compensates for. Given the...uneven...quality of contractors I've seen who are nevertheless well compensated, I've often considered jumping into that lifestyle. After all, if idiot hustlers can bill $150+ an hour on a project and tank it, imagine what someone who knows what they're doing can do! Having a family really does make you stop and think about that though.

    Advantages to contracting:
    - Never the same job twice
    - Absolutely every cent you spend on anything is a deductible business expense, so you pay much less in taxes
    - Flexibility

    Disadvantages:
    - Constantly moving, never getting a chance to see something all the way through
    - You're a one man/one woman sales force
    - Future work never guaranteed

  7. In 1970... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My father paid cash for a fully tricked out Mustang (approx 1 month salary) and got a new 3000+sqft home on a large lot (125x175) for a mortgage equal to 12 months of earnings.

    Now, roughly equivalent cars cost* 3 month salary and similar homes are 5-10 years of my income - even well north of 100k.
    * on-the-road price post taxes/fees etc

    I'm doing OK, but I have MUCH less disposable income that he did AND I'm working 25% longer hours in a far higher stress environment.

    1. Re:In 1970... by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 2

      My father paid cash for a fully tricked out Mustang (approx 1 month salary) and got a new 3000+sqft home on a large lot (125x175) for a mortgage equal to 12 months of earnings.

      Your dad was doing pretty well for the time -- close to $40K, assuming something like $3200 for the car. (Not sure how "fully tricked out" you mean.) By this inflation calculator, that equates to about $240K today.

      Today, one month of an equivalent salary will get you a reasonably nice new car, and one year of an equivalent salary will get you a nice house, unless you live in Silicon Valley, DC, Boston, or another hyperdeveloped area. I'd say that the inflation calculator reflects what's going on with car prices; real-estate prices have outstripped it in many places, but not all. (If he bought a house in Detroit in 1970, you probably wouldn't be seeing a good return on that investment today.)

      But, as the Fed inflation-metric apologists always point out, a 1970 car is not the same as a 2014 car. Compare fuel efficiency, safety equipment, reliability, and you can make the case that you get a lot more for the same money today. Real estate? Meh, a third of an acre in 1970 is about the same as a third of an acre today, and I'm not sure the superior insulation and wiring of a 2014 new house compensates for the generally inferior workmanship compared to 1970.

  8. Re:Austin, great but not my kind of town... by gstoddart · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you are young looking to have lots of fun, Austin would be great. It's a little weird at times (too weird for me) but some folks like it.

    LOL ... so, it's not unlike the rest of the world, but entirely unlike Texas?

    I've never been to Texas, but this sounds like the rest of Texas is quite boring, and not someplace most of the rest of the world would enjoy.

    Kind of like Deliverance or something.

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  9. Re:a total non-story by gstoddart · · Score: 2

    Not really. Things you buy like cars, TVs, and groceries and the like don't triple, and they represent a good chunk of what you'll spend money on.

    If you're spending more than half of your income on housing you're probably pretty screwed.

    That $100K might be something you could have a similar standard of living as someone making $60K elsewhere, but I highly doubt it's ever something you can meet with $33K.

    I think you're numbers are flawed.

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  10. The difference is Cost of Living by T.E.D. · · Score: 2

    I'd bet if you could look into those numbers, a lot of those higher earners are living in places where the Cost of Living is ridiculous. The prime example is Silicon Valley, which is gaining thousands of tech jobs a year, but there is simply no housing to be had for reasonable prices anywhere within an hour's commute. (And if you try living that hour away, you'll find locals picketing your horrible commute).

    It would be interesting to see numbers "normalized" for cost of living differences.

  11. Re:Whats the take home? by buddyglass · · Score: 2

    $100k, the minimum needed for one to be in the "six figures" bucket, is more than ~80% of U.S. households earn, many of which have two incomes. A household with two developers both earning $100k/year would be in the top 4% of all households.

    As for the cost-of-living adjustment for the Bay area, relative to Austin, I used a number of online calculators and $100k in Austin seems to be the equivalent of about $162k in San Jose.

  12. $100K is not "living the life" by schlachter · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sure, agreed. But, I think the point is that 6-figures (as in $100K+/-) used to be associated with living the good life. Now it will buy you a nice modest home in a safe area with reasonably good schools while allowing you to afford health care and vacations and 401K contributions.

    Similarly, 7-figures (as in $1M+/-) used to be associated with being super rich. Now it means you're very well off and well positioned in life, but you still have to work, and you still have to budget if you expect to keep growing that money for retirement.

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    1. Re:$100K is not "living the life" by Khoa · · Score: 2

      you still have to budget if you expect to keep growing that money for retirement.

      This never stopped being true. It's true at $20k a year and true at $1M a year.

    2. Re:$100K is not "living the life" by s.petry · · Score: 3, Interesting

      As said, it depends on the location. Making 100K in Silicon Valley will not get you a nice house and good schools unless you commute an hour to work and another hour home.

      6 figures has always been misleading, but today I fear it's more misleading. Those that live in middle class are in 6 figures even if barely. The low end of 6 figures is generally a 2 family income now, which means that a parent could be a stay at home parent. You are not out buying houses and boats on that (at least not without accumulating lots of debt) and not really living the "good life". You are going to be "middle class" with the trimmings of 'middle class'.

      That same 6 figure bracket holds the guys making 990K. The difference a middle class 2 person family income and being just shy of a millionaire is huge!

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  13. "Buy you a nice modest home" by Nova+Express · · Score: 2

    Well, it will buy you a pretty nice home in Texas, anyway. California? Not so much.

    Especially with California's much higher tax rates, including a rate of 9.3% that kicks for all those millionaires making more than $49,774 a year.

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  14. Re:Sounds about right by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

    Sucks to be you then. I'm still writing code and trolling slashdot

  15. Re:Austin, great but not my kind of town... by jedidiah · · Score: 2

    Austin and the surrounding area has been culturally distinct from the rest of Texas since civil war times. It's by no means a new thing. It's not just people that have recently fled high prices in Silicon Valley.

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  16. Re:Sounds about right by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

    Writing code is the best part. Why would you give that up? Age?
    15 years ago I was in "high school"...