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Anonymous' Airchat Aim: Communication Without Need For Phone Or Internet

concertina226 (2447056) writes "Online hacktivist collective Anonymous has announced that it is working on a new tool called Airchat which could allow people to communicate without the need for a phone or an internet connection — using radio waves instead. Anonymous, the amorphous group best known for attacking high profile targets like Sony and the CIA in recent years, said on the project's Github page: 'Airchat is a free communication tool [that] doesn't need internet infrastructure [or] a cell phone network. Instead it relies on any available radio link or device capable of transmitting audio.' Despite the Airchat system being highly involved and too complex for most people in its current form, Anonymous says it has so far used it to play interactive chess games with people at 180 miles away; share pictures and even established encrypted low bandwidth digital voice chats. In order to get Airchat to work, you will need to have a handheld radio transceiver, a laptop running either Windows, Mac OS X or Linux, and be able to install and run several pieces of complex software." And to cleanse yourself of the ads with autoplaying sound, you can visit the GitHub page itself.

180 comments

  1. Best/worst part is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They're anonymous, so they don't need to respect your frequency assignments.

    1. Re:Best/worst part is by n1ywb · · Score: 2

      You've heard of radio direction finding, right? Just stay out of the ham bands.

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    2. Re:Best/worst part is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From the github page:

      (remember that when you are in the middle of a massive crisis you probably wouldn't care much about the stupid FCC)

      They've got a point.

    3. Re:Best/worst part is by HornWumpus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Because Uncle Charlie is a fearsome power that is easily angered?

      I know of an idiot with 1000W linear hooked to an awful car CB that was previously modified to boost it's power (read: fuck up it's channel separation).

      You can not only hear him on the neighbors land lines/radios/TVs but on the fucking microwave!

      Less then 5 miles off the end of a military runway. Uncle Charlie doesn't care.

      If it was my neighborhood, I'd drop his tower on his house at 2AM.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    4. Re: Best/worst part is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How the fuck you hear him on the microwave? The microwave oven?! Please elaborate on that experience.

    5. Re:Best/worst part is by Entropius · · Score: 3, Funny

      In Huntsville, AL, there is a Seventh-Day Adventist college called Oakwood College that plays shitty gospel music on a radio station nominally on the lower part of the FM band, but their (large) transmitter is so badly tuned that it shits all over the lower part of the FM band -- and on people's land lines within a few miles. It's located in a very uneducated section of town, and some of the locals have said that they thought the gospel music was "something the phone company did, y'know, to be nice and give us something to listen to."

      I haven't been back with my car in a while, so I have no idea if they've fixed it.

    6. Re: Best/worst part is by OhSoLaMeow · · Score: 2

      How the fuck you hear him on the microwave? The microwave oven?! Please elaborate on that experience.

      It's actually his teeth picking up the signal when he sticks his head in the microwave oven.

      Note to OP: microwaves don't use natural gas.

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    7. Re: Best/worst part is by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      So you're saying they use unnatural gas?

    8. Re: Best/worst part is by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      Not sure, only happens when the microwave it running, so I assume the cavity magnetron is doing something ugly.

      It was an older microwave.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    9. Re:Best/worst part is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      RDF is done in ham bands, because transmitting outside of ham bands gets you a visit from the FCC.

  2. Truly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ... revolutionary. sigh.

    1. Re:Truly by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      What does he think a cellphone is?

      It's nothing but a digital radio with a rather large interconnected repeater network on the other side.

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  3. Illegal in some countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is almost certainly illegal in the UK. Encrypyted comms over citizen/public radio bands is not allowed. Steganography would be required to carry an encrypted payload without being caught, but you'd still be breaking the law.

    1. Re:Illegal in some countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Isn't virtually everything illegal in the fascist UK?

    2. Re:Illegal in some countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This post isn't ;-)

    3. Re:Illegal in some countries by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      Do we really care about the law anymore? The singular universal rule these days is, *Don't get caught - Burn the tapes*

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    4. Re:Illegal in some countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      People should follow the spirit of the law, not the letter of the law.

      If a law is unjust it deserves to be broken, regardless of what it is.

    5. Re:Illegal in some countries by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Your post is legal in Airstrip One because it doesn't insult a famous person anywhere in the world.

    6. Re:Illegal in some countries by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

      Encrypyted comms over citizen/public radio bands is not allowed.

      Would that include Cockney rhyming slang?

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    7. Re:Illegal in some countries by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Yes, and most of us ignore it.

    8. Re:Illegal in some countries by SuricouRaven · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's a nice idea, and arguably has done a lot to bring down many repressive governments and end many great injustices. The problem is that everyone believes themselves to be righteously protesting - and one man's justified cause is another's anarchy. Take the current Bundy fiasco: Bundy feels that federal land ownership is unjust, therefore he refuses to pay his grazing license (ie, tax). He also feels that protection for endangered species is an unjust law, therefore he ignores repeated court orders to stop grazing his cattle upon land which has herd density restrictions. To some, he is a hero - a brave protester, risking his freedom to strike a symbolic blow against a government out of control. To others, he is a redneck dick who won't pay his taxes and has no respect for the rule of law. It's all subjective.

    9. Re:Illegal in some countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes it is. Please shut down your computer immediately and report to the nearest Ministry of Love office for re-indoctrination, citizen.

    10. Re:Illegal in some countries by Alioth · · Score: 1

      It's almost certainly illegal anyway - do you think they are all going to go to Ofcom and get a radio license? Therefore I don't think it's going to bother them if encryption is also illegal.

    11. Re:Illegal in some countries by funwithBSD · · Score: 1

      Why not send clear text via Morse that has been encrypted or encoded?

      You can't send over scrambled/encrypted links, you can send encrypted/compressed data.

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    12. Re:Illegal in some countries by pr100 · · Score: 2

      At least the UK has enacted the Human Rights Act 1998, which gives protection where rights afforded by the European Convention on Human Rights are violated by the state.

      Whilst I'm sure bad stuff happens in the UK, it does provide a framework that prevents overt abuses such as Guantanamo Bay...

    13. Re:Illegal in some countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Overt abuses like the detention of a Brazilian citizen and reporter for carrying US classified documents through a UK airport?

      Overt abuses like the GCHQ shutting down a news paper, and destroying its computer hardware because it suspects (without evidence, or trial) that the hardware contains US and/or British classified documents?

      Overt abuses like a CCTV system over the whole nation; with facial recognition, license place recognition.... etc.

      And about GITMO... you mean like this: http://world.time.com/2013/05/29/the-brit-gitmo-u-k-admits-holding-afghan-prisoners-on-british-base/

    14. Re:Illegal in some countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Subjective? No, it isn't.
      Facts are not subjective. Bundy is breaking several laws - regardless of his interpretation of them. If he opposes the law[s], then he follows the same course that the rest of us have to follow to alter those laws. He is nothing but a vigilante, and as such, deserves nothing more than any other vigilante.
        [not posting as AnonCow]

    15. Re:Illegal in some countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Citizen's right's" aren't worth a wet fart in the UK. There's no freedom of speech and the government is the biggest media company! Even if your rights were being violated, you couldn't tell us and no one could give you advance warning!

    16. Re:Illegal in some countries by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      The federal government owns more than 80% of Nevada (some sources say 87% but that's likely high). I'm not really going anywhere with that but I though it was astounding when I read it and think it's food for thought.

    17. Re:Illegal in some countries by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Pretty much illegal everywhere. Amature bands are restricted to un encrypted communications.
      You can use the ISM bands lhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISM_band almost everywhere.

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    18. Re:Illegal in some countries by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      >Overt abuses like the GCHQ shutting down a news paper, and destroying its computer hardware because it suspects (without evidence, or trial) that the hardware contains US and/or British classified documents?

      It didn't shut down the Guardian and it didn't destroy it's hardware.

      They demanded the hardware. The Guardian said "No, we will destroy it first to protect our sources". So GCHQ said "Fine, we'll attend so we can be sure it's been destroyed.". The Guardian then did the destroying.

      It still looks stupid, but the 'who did what' of this story has been all back to front.

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    19. Re:Illegal in some countries by kqs · · Score: 2

      It's a desert. The government likely owns it because nobody else wants it. If they gave it away, people still wouldn't take it because they don't want to pay taxes on it.

      What Bundy did, using someone's property without permission... where I grew up, that's called "tresspass" or "theft" or somesuch. If he wanted to protest, he could have not used the public land and put up signs saying so, or called his congresscritters, or did any of the other things that protesters do. Maybe even used it for one year without paying as a protest. But using it for 10 years without paying means "dishonest cheapskate who wants to abuse the tragedy of the commons", not "protestor".

    20. Re:Illegal in some countries by vux984 · · Score: 1

      What Bundy did, using someone's property without permission..

      Property that you just said is owned by its current owner because nobody else wants it and that the current owner couldn't give away?

      Maybe the government should have just said, "Wait, what, you want this land? Great! its your land now. We've forwarded you title, and you can start paying property taxes on it."

    21. Re:Illegal in some countries by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      I also read there's a movement in Nevada for the federal government to release more of the land. In fact, that's part of the reason the 87% is a high estimate, because some of it has been sold off.

      And you know what, if nobody wants it, maybe it should be owned by the you-know, state of Nevada. Just a thought.

      I have no comment on Bundy other than the guy sounds like an ass.

    22. Re:Illegal in some countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't virtually everything illegal in the fascist UK?

      No. That's the USA.

    23. Re:Illegal in some countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you can't.

      You really don't understand the difference between scrambling and encryption. Encrypted radio links can be demodulated just the same as in-the-clear radio links. You can receive the encrypted US army HF comms with a STANAG receiver, you can recieve the links with US and russian submarines with a soundcard and some RTTY software.

      What you can't do is get any comprehensible information from the messages. In the rules for both HAM and CB, you can't use encryption. Note this doesn't apply to civilian radio in general, which is why your car alarm can use encryption, your wifi can use encryption and your pay tv provider can use encryption.

    24. Re:Illegal in some countries by funwithBSD · · Score: 1

      It says you cannot use encrypted transmission techniques, like hiding the CW in a modulation of some sort.

      The message itself can be "encrypted" even if you just do a ROT13. Nothing says it has to be human readable.

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  4. Communicate without need for phone or internet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Maybe he should call it "Talking".

  5. Licensing by bradgoodman · · Score: 2
    Use of this would (to my knowledge) require some sort of HAM licensing - and said regulations would have restrictions on things like frequencies (i.e. the whole "FM Pirate Radio" thing discussed on the README) or encrypted data.

    So the NSA couldn't necessarily snoop your data - but the FCC could (and if you pissed the NSA or FBI off, probable WOULD) come after you for these types of violations. They couldn't get your by IP address - but if your were operating this from a fixed-base - they could find you.

    1. Re:Licensing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just an FYI - maybe for future use. But 'ham' is not an acronym like NSA or FBI - it's never written in all caps. Correct usage would be Ham, ham or even Amateur Radio. Also, you are correct on the radio location implications. Finding a fixed station is trivial. Even a low power station. Finding a moving station only slightly more difficult, but eminently doable even with minimal resources. Just takes equipment actually designed for that purpose and in this century instead of simplistically body nulling an HT as you'd attempt at a Hamfest fox hunt or Field Day exercise. But, to give credit - even that archaic method is surprisingly useful.

    2. Re:Licensing by pinkstuff · · Score: 1

      Spies are already using shortwave radio, albeit using mostly goverment owned frequencies. This would be a great tool for them.

    3. Re: Licensing by idshabbedign · · Score: 1

      What if you broadcasted an encrypted signal that was indistinguishable from random noise?

    4. Re: Licensing by Roxoff · · Score: 0

      So... you take your broadcast and 'encrypt' it by replacing it with random (I'm presuming white) noise. How does this help?

      Surely, if it's indistinguishable from random noise, then it really is random noise? Unless you -can- distinguish it because you know how the encryption algorithm works?

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    5. Re:Licensing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But that's a lot more work than tracking someone down by IP, so users would probably gamble that the government is unlikely to invest the resources to do it.

    6. Re: Licensing by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      They'd still pick up the carrier - they couldn't tell what you were saying, but they could track where it was coming from. If you want to evade tracking you could use something like very broadband, rapidly-hopping spread spectrum - that would certainly get in the way of any tracking efforts, but it would also need a lot more specialised equipment and skill.

    7. Re: Licensing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because is sounds like white noise and doesn't draw attention to itself. So no one cares to track and report it. You ignorant little faggot.

      God damn nerds all lack basic intelligence and common sense.

    8. Re: Licensing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think somebody would figure it out when your "background noise" comes in with a transmission power significantly above that of... well... background noise. If you're transmitting over distances great enough to actually give a crap about eavesdropping, then it's only a matter of time before you overpower another operator with white noise, and then the game is up. By trying to blend into the background, you'll actually stick out like a sore thumb.

      Oh, yeah: go fuck yourself, you ignorant twat.

    9. Re:Licensing by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      Actually named for the astounding amount of bacon it takes to keep a rig running correctly.

    10. Re: Licensing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They'd still pick up the carrier - they couldn't tell what you were saying, but they could track where it was coming from. If you want to evade tracking you could use something like very broadband, rapidly-hopping spread spectrum - that would certainly get in the way of any tracking efforts, but it would also need a lot more specialised equipment and skill.

      Even then you would still create an underlining AM signal that could be tracked.

    11. Re: Licensing by Roxoff · · Score: 1

      Well, name calling certainly won that argument. Oh, hang on, no it didn't.

      Noise that is indistinguishable from white noise is -actually- white noise. If you can't distinguish a signal from noise, then it's not a signal.

      If you can distinguish, then you can recognise it as a signal. Even in a signal that looks a helluva lot like white noise contains the traits that allow you discern the difference. Even if they are well hidden, they're still there, which -actually- allows you to distinguish between the signal and nose. The casual observer might walk past such a signal, but we're talking here about an signalling method that will be available to read - anyone who knows what the signal looks like and is looking for such signals will be able to see it, even if they can't decrypt it because they don't have the encryption keys.

      The problem here is that you've (rather stupidly) assumed that the poster I replied to may have meant that an encrypted signal could be indistinguishable to the casual observer. But they didn't say that, it was -your- assumption. Fortunately for you, there are some smarter people here to put you right.

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  6. And on many bands.. by ElectraFlarefire · · Score: 1

    Try doing this on the HAM bands and you'll have a bunch of Radio Amateurs tracking your location and reporting you in to ACMA/FCC/Whatever the UK has.
    Encryption is explicitly excluded in the regs. Doing so will actually have people tracking your location and gathering logs on what they find.

    1. Re:And on many bands.. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Will they actually do something though?

      An associate has a problem neighbor with a 1000W linear that Uncle Charlie has been ignoring for over a decade. We could stick some crytpo on him if necessary.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    2. Re:And on many bands.. by Roxoff · · Score: 1

      I can see it now. A four or five middle aged or older, possibly bearded men (a generation of geek ahead of us) turning up to wag fingers and generally tut at hundreds of Anonymous protesters.

      Of course, there is absolutely nothing to stop them reporting the Anonymous protesters to the authorities for this. Only two problems with this. 1. The 'perpetrators' are Anonymous, so you don't know who they are. 2. The perpetrators don't give a shit.

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    3. Re:And on many bands.. by TWX · · Score: 2

      Encryption is explicitly excluded in the regs. Doing so will actually have people tracking your location and gathering logs on what they find.

      Only if you do it on a band that's popular enough to have people notice your transgressions. If you either use a sparsely-used band or use a band that amateur radio is a secondary user of, and it's quite likely that you could operate or some time without anyone reporting you. If you were to use the 900MHz/33cm band it's likely that your usage would be chalked up to some proprietary part-15 device and wouldn't be given much priority.

      Thing of it is, leaving the medium of the Internet and actually operating in meat-space is not where most l33t h4xx0r types want to be. They're not going to spend the money and go through the physical effort of setting up antennas, running cables, and dealing with things in the physical world when they don't really have to. It's a lot of work and probably won't result in anything more secure than using new methods on an existing medium.

      After all, the boot-CD and the wireless ethernet PCMCIA card kept in a safe deposit box somewhere near a coffee shop with open wifi would probably work just fine for a long, long time.

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    4. Re:And on many bands.. by ElectraFlarefire · · Score: 2, Informative

      Considering the current generation of geeks is developing all the software defined radios used by Amateurs and with digital modes becoming a whole new area to play with, there's a lot of younger people involved.
      The older people have the contacts in government departments to get things done, the younger have the equipment to do a lot of the tracking all automatically.
      I know this from helping a group deal with some people being abusive on some bands in my area. They now have no radio gear and a few thousand dollar fine that gets remarkably large if they ever do it again..

      That being said, if they stay off the used areas and are courteous to other users of the spectrum.. THEN no-one will care enough.. You can get away with a lot, if your discrete and do it somewhere no-one cares.

    5. Re:And on many bands.. by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      Encryption is explicitly excluded in the regs.

      Why?

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    6. Re:And on many bands.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spoken like somebody who's never had a run-in with the FCC. The middle-aged bearded men track and report you; the FCC is the one that shows up to wag a finger... and confiscate all of your transmitting equipment... and levy fines. This is what they do; it's their job, and they're very good at it. Piss off the right people, and you'll find yourself out thousands of dollars in equipment, with a fine on top.

      That's not to say that I disapprove of the concept. For feck's sake, though, use directional antennas, and control your transmission power. Staying under the radar is the whole point to obfuscation, and you're defeating the purpose entirely by bleeding all over the spectrum.

    7. Re:And on many bands.. by wganz · · Score: 2

      Tracking down illegal transmissions is a mix of Geritol & Viagra for these 'Fox Hunters'.
      If done on the 11m CB bands, no one will care.
      Since no one uses the 70cm frequencies, it could be done there and still no one will ever notice.

    8. Re:And on many bands.. by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      A little thermite might be the better option.

    9. Re:And on many bands.. by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      The UK government doesn't think you are entitled to secrets. Hence criminal penalties for failing to reveal encryption keys.

    10. Re:And on many bands.. by sunderland56 · · Score: 1

      Encryption is explicitly excluded in the regs.

      Unless your name is Icom. Then it's okay.

    11. Re:And on many bands.. by sunderland56 · · Score: 1
    12. Re:And on many bands.. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      I'd like to know that whole story. Because the FCC has been ignoring complaints about this asshole for more then 10 years.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    13. Re:And on many bands.. by AsylumWraith · · Score: 1

      Not so here in Dallas, 70cm is actually pretty active. 1.25m on the other hand...

    14. Re:And on many bands.. by AsylumWraith · · Score: 1

      Mod this up insightful. DSTAR is expensive, ridiculous crap.

    15. Re:And on many bands.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This, sadly.

    16. Re:And on many bands.. by Ozoner · · Score: 1

      I doubt that the FCC has been ignoring it, it is more likely that they have investigated and found that the fault is with the crappy domestic equipment.

      I worked as a government Inspector for many years. I can tell you that the fault is almost never with the transmitter.

      But once people decide that the problem is a "1000W CB booster", there is nothing you can do to convince them.

    17. Re:And on many bands.. by cdwiegand · · Score: 1

      What?? 70cm is alive in most places, since most places with repeaters don't have any free 2m frequency pairs for repeaters. Shoot, here in Denver even 70cm (440) is full, unless you want to deploy digital (DStar/MotoTrbo). Even then there's not a lot of room.

      220 (222?) is pretty empty, according to my handy-dandy ARRL Repeater Directory. With almost as much room as 2m you'd think it would be better utilized.. :(

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    18. Re:And on many bands.. by Roxoff · · Score: 1

      No, never had a run-in with the FCC. I, like most people on the planet, do not live anywhere they have jurisdiction.

      You're assuming that the gear produced here will be huge radio sets of the kind used by ham enthusiasts. I think the target here is for much smaller stuff. Even in the -very- unlikely even that the FCC could indeed demonstrate who had generated any given signal, then confiscating $50 or $100 worth of cheap radio kit and trying to fine them will make no difference to the project.

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    19. Re:And on many bands.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever looked at a spectrograph of a decent wideband RF receiver? There's all sorts of random anomalies, along with the usual sweep-spectrum ionosondes and over-the-horizon radars. Many of these are military CSS, others are clandestine CSS, and some are just ionospheric weirdness.

      Unless you suck really bad at using ultra-wide-band CSS, nobody is even going to detect you transmitting, let alone triangulate your position. I guess over a long enough period, with spatially dispersed coherent receivers, you could triangulate the location of a UWB-CSS/CFHSS transmission. The problem is the spreading is unpredictable, and there's so many CSS transmissions, that working out which ones are correlated is mathematically difficult.

      The thing is, the data-rate sucks on HF, you have to use a low symbol rate so that your symbols have a narrow enough bandwidth that they can be detected by your peer. You can use VHF/UHF/whatever, but then your range sucks, which maybe doesn't matter if you have a large mesh. The other issue is distributing the symbol clock, as if you lose synchronisation, you can no longer detect the signal. To get around this issue you can agree to use GPS as a reference.

    20. Re:And on many bands.. by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      OK. Maybe the problem is with the power supply feeding that kilowatt bastard booster...

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    21. Re:And on many bands.. by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      (assuming by 'regs' we are all talking about amateur radio specifically, because outside of that there certainly is encryption in use)

      Lots of commentary here, but this is US FCC-centric. Probably the same lines of thinking.

      Basically encryption (to a point) is makes it impossible to enforce... actually most of part 97 entirely... let alone detect that a violation has occurred. Keep in mind that we are (for the most part) self-policed which raises the burden even more. If the FCC couldn't decode it, you'd expect us to?

      Example: how can you be sure a communication is noncommercial in nature if you cannot understand it? You can't... and that is the first requirement - at least on the US side.

      97.1 Basis and purpose.

      The rules and regulations in this part are designed to provide an amateur radio service having a fundamental purpose as expressed in the following principles:

      (a) Recognition and enhancement of the value of the amateur service to the public as a voluntary noncommercial communication service, particularly with respect to providing emergency communications.

      The full document is here, btw.

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    22. Re:And on many bands.. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      We know who it is. We know he has a tower and 1000W linear on a very bad, previously 'tweaked' CB (he talks about it). No Ham license of any kind. Clearly in violation of about a dozen FCC regs.

      Nobody has as much as responded to my friends formal complaints. Like a black hole.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    23. Re:And on many bands.. by MooseMiester · · Score: 1

      The FCC gave up on CB enforcement of individuals a long time ago, they prefer to go after manufacturers.

      You need to find your local ham radio club and get them involved, Start at www.arrl.org.

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    24. Re:And on many bands.. by iMactheKnife · · Score: 1

      There are so many digital and complex analog signals on the ham bands, especially 70 cm and 220, that it would be pretty unusual for someone to detect an encrypted signal from all that clever noise.

      I've sent pictures on ham radio bands thousands of miles (slow scan), but none encrypted. I run software defined radios and several digital modes.

      However, any form of commercial business or encryption is against the regs.

      Hams enforce the regs in their own rules and we are pretty efficient at it.

      AB3BG

  7. Airchat, or as I like to call it, CB Radio by BenJeremy · · Score: 4, Funny

    10-4, good buddy!

    Hmmmm... might have to dig out my 150W linear amplifier I used to use to drown out obnoxious truckers with, when they needed a smackdown.

    1. Re:Airchat, or as I like to call it, CB Radio by bobbied · · Score: 2, Insightful

      CB Radio === Total waste of a good ham band. Would/should have given them something above 6 meters where linears would have been of extremely limited value. But, as it stands we bid you a fond farewell 11 meters...

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    2. Re:Airchat, or as I like to call it, CB Radio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CB is very useful on the road. I don't transmit much at all and usually don't even connect my mic, but it's great for traffic monitoring.

      With the advent of cell phones most of the idiots moved off CB. Having a "public" frequency rather than yet another ham band used by a few gummers to chat
      about each others piles is a handy thing during disasters etc. Keeps public comms and hamspace separate.

    3. Re:Airchat, or as I like to call it, CB Radio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uncle Charlie, is that you?

    4. Re:Airchat, or as I like to call it, CB Radio by bobbied · · Score: 1

      CB is very useful on the road. I don't transmit much at all and usually don't even connect my mic, but it's great for traffic monitoring.

      With the advent of cell phones most of the idiots moved off CB. Having a "public" frequency rather than yet another ham band used by a few gummers to chat about each others piles is a handy thing during disasters etc. Keeps public comms and hamspace separate.

      Historically, the CB spectrum used to be part of the Ham allocation. So it got taken from the gummers in the first place... But you missed my point.

      I do not begrudge the creation of CB radio, I do however question the selection of the spectrum for CB. There was no need to put it in the HF spectrum and should have been moved up above 6 meters. There would have been a lot less trouble with CB because they would have been limited to spectrum that was a lot less subject to long distance propagation, making it more useful for what it was intended to be, local communications. Antennas would have been smaller, and the problem with linear amps would have been greatly reduced, mainly because nobody would need them.

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    5. Re:Airchat, or as I like to call it, CB Radio by westlake · · Score: 2

      CB Radio === Total waste of a good ham band.

      CB radio at 27 MHz has been around since 1958. The radios were cheap --- remain cheap --- and have significant usable range without the use of repeaters.

      CB radio survives because the cell phone isn't the answer to every problem.

    6. Re:Airchat, or as I like to call it, CB Radio by bobbied · · Score: 1

      CB Radio === Total waste of a good ham band.

      CB radio at 27 MHz has been around since 1958. The radios were cheap --- remain cheap --- and have significant usable range without the use of repeaters.

      CB radio survives because the cell phone isn't the answer to every problem.

      Ham Radio: When all else fails, it works. I've never had an issue finding assistance on the ham bands. Even my unlicensed wife managed to get help by using my radio once. On the ham bands, it's about emergency communication and community service. They are there to help.

      CB? Good luck finding somebody who 1. cares and 2. knows how to get you help when your cell phone dies. Last time I listened to CB it was a pile of mindless operators who where jawing all the time and never listening. Heaven help you if you needed help. Few cared to listen long enough to ever be helpful, and many where running so much power arguing with the guy next door that I doubt you would actually need a radio to hear them because the light bulbs would be making enough noise.

      So I think it was a mistake to give 11 meters to the crazies on the CB band. Wasted some great HF spectrum space on what turned into a horrible mess. But, alas, it's done now and there is no going back.. Which is why I bid 11 meters a fond farewell...

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    7. Re:Airchat, or as I like to call it, CB Radio by VAXcat · · Score: 1

      It's a good point, that VHF allocation for CB would prevent some of the abuses it is prone too. But when it was allocated, radios that operated at 50 Mc and above . were exotic and expensive. Gear that would operate at 27 Mc was a lot cheaper and ruggeder than VHF gear would have been.

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      There is no God, and Dirac is his prophet.
  8. Hey gubmint by OzPeter · · Score: 1

    I'm here sending out propaganda with this supa sekrit radio transmitter. Betch'a can't find me .. nyah nyah nyah

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  9. The ARRL wants its technology back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Uh, amateur radio, anyone?

    1. Re:The ARRL wants its technology back by bobbied · · Score: 4, Informative

      Armature Extra here, how can I help you get licensed? It's not that hard and these days you don't even need to learn Morse code like I had too. Entry level license requires only basic understanding of Ohms Law and Power calculations, a little about RF safety and some basic things about the rules (like what privileges your license gives you, who the FCC and ITU are.)

      Great hobby with lots of interesting things to look at. We do community service like weather spotting for the NWS, event and emergency communications. Don't like talking on the radio? There are lots of computer based things to play with, Digital modes like PSK, packet or HSMM stuff. We have software defined radios you can build and program too. I'll bet we can find something of interest for you to play with.

      Don't like taking tests? Well, what if I told you all the questions and the correct answers are published in advance and the test is multiple choice. 35 questions are asked and you only need 26 right. You can practice online (usually for free) and know almost for sure if you will pass or not before taking the test. Tests are likely given regularly and very close to you, no matter where you live and cost $15 for as many as you can take and pass. Pass all three to get your Extra and enjoy the full set of Armature privileges available. If you pass, your license will be good for life as long as you keep requesting renewal every 10 years (renewals are currently free if you file yourself online).

      Go ahead.. Take a look!

      http://www.arrl.org

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      "File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
    2. Re:The ARRL wants its technology back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But if you take the test,
      If you get a license,
      Then they know who you (claim to) be,
      And where (you said) they could find you.

    3. Re:The ARRL wants its technology back by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      Not really any more so than they did anyway.

      You can argue it shouldn't be licensed and you would have a point but it doesn't really mean much overall. It's not like it isn't trivial to triangulate radio anyway.

  10. oh yeah..... by kamcgough6582 · · Score: 1

    We call it Ham radio. If you communicate, do so with a name.

    1. Re:oh yeah..... by MichaelWilliamson · · Score: 2

      I was active with ax.25 packet radio 20 years ago. What is actually useful is the ability to do this on HF radio. Here in South Texas I can connect to a gateway node somewhere in the country practically at any time and get a message out. Since the gateways are sometimes several hundred miles away, it would be impervious to any local disaster, provided I can get 12v at a few amps to run my gear.

    2. Re:oh yeah..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I prefer Beef Radio, myself.

    3. Re:oh yeah..... by rezme · · Score: 1

      Bacon Radio FTW...

  11. Congratulations. You've just invented packet radio by EmagGeek · · Score: 5, Informative

    Packet radio is done every single day on HF on up. With APRS, you can get messages from one coast to the other and back again without any internet or phone connection.

    If you DO have an Internet connection, http://www.aprs.fi/ even shows you where all of the beacons, digipeaters, and stations are at a given time, and allows you to see all of the packets that are sent.

  12. System requirements by Vermonter · · Score: 1

    "...a laptop running either Windows, Mac OS X or Linux" Aw crap, I guess my DOSbook is out :(

    1. Re:System requirements by safetyinnumbers · · Score: 1

      People are comparing this to packet radio. Well, the first software I used for internet access was ka9q, originally for HAM use. And it ran on DOS. So there's no need to feel left out.

  13. Re:Communicate without need for phone or internet. by bobbied · · Score: 1

    Maybe he should call it "Talking".

    Or waving flags if you can use signal flags. I hear smoke signals can work too..

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  14. Re:Congratulations. You've just invented packet ra by madshot · · Score: 1

    Yup, i was thinking the same thing as well as "I hope they are not using HAM frequencies". Go pick someone elses band to screw with like GMRS or FRS :)

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  15. I don't understand the point by GlennC · · Score: 1

    Why use this when I can get some cheap ham radio gear, or even a CB radio setup?

    It looks like a solution in search of a problem.

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    Go on, citizen, stamp the vote card. R or D, your choice.
    1. Re:I don't understand the point by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Well, TFA says they've been able to set up encrypted voice chats in low bandwidth,

      My guess, if Anonymous is using this, and it's intended to get around surveillance, it's explicitly *not* sending stuff in the clear.

      Which makes it different from a CB radio.

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      Lost at C:>. Found at C.
  16. Here is some information you may want to know by MindPrison · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's a great idea, I'll accept that, it's also not new - this has existed in some commercial form one way or the other (various calculators could communicate images & chat freely via the airwaves, Nintendo DS could also seek players within a certain range to do some picto-chatting or game with each other). Radio Amateurs have done this since the 80s, me too... I did it with a Commodore 64 + a home made 1-transistor modem and a walkie talkie, worked like a charm, but hey...it's good to see the kids of today doing something else than chatting on the internet.

    1). You may want to check with the laws of your country, transmitting on most bands are illegal and could potentially disturb or disrupt ambulance communication, police or other important communications. Becoming a licensed Radio Amateur the legal way, is a good step in the right direction.

    2). There are existing options you can use to chat & send files via radio today, Ham Radio enthusiasts knows all about this, visit your local (ARRL or equal ham-radio club in your neck of the woods).

    3). If you want to chat worldwide, you could get a shortwave radio - or satellite antenna with the appropriate transceiver and a packet modem, with this - you can chat digitally, send pictures, send files as long as you have a radio amateur license to do so. Basically you need this to operate on the bands, in most countries you can listen in on radio amateurs communicating via packet-radio without a license, but you DO NEED A LICENSE TO TRANSMIT.

    There are many more things you can do, there are a lot of commercially available radios, digital radios and much more. And none of them require the internet.

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    What this world is coming to - is for you and me to decide.
    1. Re:Here is some information you may want to know by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      On 1, how honest is the "it will interfere with emergency services" reason? I've heard police in particular have unofficially switched to cell phones for sensitive information. And I'd imagine that there are always people willing to sell the government new and improved technology to "protect" against nefarious "terrorists" who might theoretically stage an attack and then mess with ambulances (and the lobbyists would of course assure everyone that this was 800% likely to happen.)

      I'm just wondering if that's actually a nonsense argument the FCC uses to hold onto every bit of power they have. But I know nothing about it, which is why I'm asking.

    2. Re:Here is some information you may want to know by jittles · · Score: 1

      On 1, how honest is the "it will interfere with emergency services" reason? I've heard police in particular have unofficially switched to cell phones for sensitive information. And I'd imagine that there are always people willing to sell the government new and improved technology to "protect" against nefarious "terrorists" who might theoretically stage an attack and then mess with ambulances (and the lobbyists would of course assure everyone that this was 800% likely to happen.) I'm just wondering if that's actually a nonsense argument the FCC uses to hold onto every bit of power they have. But I know nothing about it, which is why I'm asking.

      It depends on what frequency you are transmitting on. If you're on the same frequency, you may be interfering. I think a lot of larger cities are using the same type of radio technology - radios that support frequency hopping. They hop channels so fast that they are very difficult to jam without blanketing a huge swath of the available spectrum. More than likely any switch to cell phones would be to prevent the "sensitive" conversation from being recorded by their government agency. You wouldn't want to talk about your big drug deal, even in code, over the department radio channel if you can just call a cell phone.

    3. Re:Here is some information you may want to know by CrAlt · · Score: 1

      On 1, how honest is the "it will interfere with emergency services" reason? I've heard police in particular have unofficially switched to cell phones for sensitive information.

      It is honest. Public safety is all up in VHF,UHF, and the 700/800mhz bands. Other then going to digital voice (P25 mostly) there hasn't been much change in the tech. Its just radio.

      Cops may use cellphones for sensitive stuff but dispatch and calls for help still use radio. Ambulances still use normal radios and "MED" channels in the clear to talk to doctors on the way to hospitals. FD's use normal low power portables while on site working a fire. If they get stuck that is how they call for help.
      If a boater needs help he is still going to call the coastguard on VHF.

      There are digital trunking systems that hop around on a SET number of channels but they can still be interfered with if something is operating on their band like anything else.

      There are bands like FRS,GMRS,CB,etc that you can mess around on and no one will care. The 27mhz CB band is a total free for all with guys running messy 2KW stations. Since they are contained down there the FCC doesn't care. This would be the best place to play around in IMO.. right in the middle of all the other chaos.

      No good will come of messing around on public safety bands. It will get you noticed very quickly and may actually interfere with an emergency call.

      You can look up what your area uses on sites like http://www.radioreference.com/...
      Its all public info and licensed by the FCC.

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  17. CIA beat Anonymous to it by BoRegardless · · Score: 1

    Spooks have been using radio waves 'forever'. Still, consumer progress moves onward. In effect, though, anyone with WiFi is using a shortrange version RF comm.

    1. Re:CIA beat Anonymous to it by BoRegardless · · Score: 2

      Long range WiFi >10 miles using highly directional Yagi antennas (& of course microwave transmission) is already possible and sometimes for really low cost, though primarily line of sight.

  18. Be careful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Even more so than anonymous's LOIC which didn't even bounce the attacks, this will give your position away. It is trivial to triangulate a radio signal like this, and if you interrupt legally protected radio frequencies they will hunt you down. Please be careful if you intend on using this.

    1. Re:Be careful by ClayDowling · · Score: 1

      Don't be giving it away man. Anonymous has always been a good way to identify the anarchists who aren't fit to continue being anarchists. LOIC was great for pinpointing the gullible and getting them off the internet.

  19. Military already does this by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

    US Army vehicles pass IP traffic over 2 way radios to provide tactical situational awareness and status reporting

  20. Re:Communicate without need for phone or internet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pigeons?

  21. Re:Congratulations. You've just invented packet ra by EmagGeek · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm sure they're probably using Baofengs like everyone else who likes to freeband.

  22. Uh, we've had this for long time. by Virtucon · · Score: 1

    We've had it for a long time, it's called Ham Radio. Sure you have to get a license but it's trivial nowadays.

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    Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
  23. You're doing it wrong ... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

    And to cleanse yourself of the ads with autoplaying sound

    If you have to worry about crap like this, you need to install better ad blockers and script blockers.

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    Lost at C:>. Found at C.
  24. You invented ham radio without the oxygen tanks by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    And with encryption allowed.

    The reason the ham service cannot innovate like this is that to be a worldwide service it has to operate by rules that are a lowest common denominator of all the rule sets imposed by all the countries in which it operates.

  25. sung to the tune of "Every Sperm is Sacred" by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    and corporations are people, too, right?

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    the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

  26. but... by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

    Anonymous, the amorphous group best known for attacking high profile targets like Sony and the CIA in recent years

    I thought they were best known for making grandiose claims that never came to fruition? Remember how they were going to destroy facebook?

    1. Re:but... by Roxoff · · Score: 4, Funny

      I thought they were best known for making grandiose claims that never came to fruition? Remember how they were going to destroy facebook?

      I thought they'd done that? They logged on to Facebook, decided it was already rubbish and left it as-is. Job done.

      --
      "Is the Chief Priest an Offlian? Do dragons explode in the wood?"
  27. Everyone, go to Toys R US and buy walkie talkies!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's get on this while it's "hot Hot HOT!!!" Be sure to sell them on CL and eBay as a "radio frequency modulating device that does not require a common infrastructure" or something amazing like that. GO! GO! GO!

  28. Re:Communicate without need for phone or internet. by Roxoff · · Score: 1

    I love the idea of sending a jpeg by semaphore. Can't see it working for smoke signals, though.

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    "Is the Chief Priest an Offlian? Do dragons explode in the wood?"
  29. My project involves by Lawrence_Bird · · Score: 1

    encrypted smoke signals. the hard part is keeping the decoy fires going

  30. Oh really? by Viol8 · · Score: 1

    You mean the ham bands where you're not allowed to discuss anything political, not allowed to swear or basically have an opinion on anything even slightly controversial except who's going to win best tomatoes at this years vegetable growers competition?

    Yeah, who needs CB eh?

    No offence , but the ham bands are for old men with nothing to talk about except their radios and gardens. CB back in the day was far more vibrant.

    1. Re:Oh really? by bobbied · · Score: 2

      Obscenity and talking in code is legally frowned upon, but almost everything else is fair game as long as it's not business related on the ham bands, at least between two US stations. International communications are usually limited to technical discussions or communications of a personal nature (how the kids are doing in school, the weather etc), but if you think about it, that makes good sense. Most hams do stick to noncontroversial topics, but that's not legally required. I've heard some pretty heated debates over religion and politics at times, but it's like standing on the street corner and yelling at people when you do that. You can start some lively debates, but nobody but the debaters will care. Not to mention, HF spectrum is a world wide resource, and using it to argue with somebody is a waste.

      But all that aside, the issue is the band they used, not that they gave the CBers spectrum space. I'm complaining about the spectrum they selected. It should have been higher frequency, well above 6 meters, say where FRS is now would have been great. It would have avoided lots of the troubles we have with CB radios, allowed for smaller antennas and better overall usefulness because they could have easily increased the legal power output to make local communications much less difficult. As it stands, CB is a total wasteland, with little real purpose, that takes up valuable HF spectrum.

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      "File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
    2. Re:Oh really? by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      "You mean the ham bands where you're not allowed to discuss anything political, not allowed to swear or basically have an opinion on anything even slightly controversial except who's going to win best tomatoes at this years vegetable growers competition?"
      Wow that sounds great. The combination of profanity, political opinion, and "controversial" subjects usually means an idiot.

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    3. Re:Oh really? by VAXcat · · Score: 1

      Not allowed to swear? Clearly you don't spend much time listening on 20 meters, or (at least in my local area) 80 meters. The amateur operators to be found there could teach sailors a few things about swearing.

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      There is no God, and Dirac is his prophet.
  31. anon vs hams for title of lamest by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    I'm sure this proposal was floated by some FBI agent provocateur.
    Nerd rage is the funniest rage. And hams can be quite nerdly.

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    the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

  32. Kids These Days by ClayDowling · · Score: 2

    See, when I was a kid, we had this thing called the postal service. It was great. If you had a piece of paper, a writing implement, and a stamp, you could communicate without even needing a computer, let alone a phone or internet. It was even possible to encrypt your communication using a variety of methods so that even if intercepted it wouldn't be obvious that it was some form of secure communication, let alone actually be read by the man in the middle. There were even good methods of detecting if communication had been intercepted, which this new-fangled method lacks. And yeah, there were even people who played chess via this method.

    If these kids are gonna reinvent the wheel, they should at least make it work as well as the old wheel.

    1. Re:Kids These Days by powerlinekid · · Score: 1

      The bandwidth was apparently pretty good but grandpa says the latency sucked.

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  33. Implying Slashdot isn't guilty of the same charges by vivaoporto · · Score: 1

    And to cleanse yourself of the ads with autoplaying sound, you can visit the GitHub page itself.

    Implying Slashdot isn't equally guilty of the same damn charge. About a week ago, while indulging myself in my daily fix while on my cellphone, I'll be damned if an ad on this very site (Slashdot) not only showed a video ad but the damn thing even autoplayed. I was not logged in at that moment so I can't confirm if it would have affected me while logged in.

    This kind of behaviour is not only damn annoying but also use my precious (expensive and limited) 3G limit.

    Damn Slashdot, for sure that's not the way to monetize the site. Mobile users surely get abused these days, and then when someone figures how to make an effective and pervasise ad blocker for all mobile OS the industry will come crying "we have no way to monetize the site now".

    Behave now or suffer later.

  34. And this would be... by Abalamahalamatandra · · Score: 1

    the downside of SDR. Just wait until BladeRF and HackRF and others really get spun up. No frequency will be safe.

    In an actual "Sh*t Hits the Fan" emergency, technology like this isn't a bad thing to have on tap. The fun part is managing it day-to-day.

  35. The problem with Anonymous is... by Viol8 · · Score: 1

    ... that they seem to be painfully unaware of any technology from before they were born. Which for most of them was probably the year 2000.

  36. Re:Communicate without need for phone or internet. by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

    I love the idea of sending a jpeg by semaphore. Can't see it working for smoke signals, though.

    Why not? Long/short pulses of smoke could correspond to 0's and 1's, respectively.

    Now granted, it might take 2 weeks and a helluva lot of timber to send the file header...

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    An enigma, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded in bacon and cheese
  37. Dial-up over CB, nice. by holophrastic · · Score: 1

    ...I mean, good luck with that. That's pretty old-school, not sure it'll catch on, even in places where in really should. But hey, friends have iphones that need more charging than my startac did, and that was in the days when phone chargers could charge a phone and a second battery concurrently. So what do I know?

    1. Re:Dial-up over CB, nice. by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

      Breaker, breaker, one nine two dot two four eight dot ...

    2. Re:Dial-up over CB, nice. by holophrastic · · Score: 1

      Ha!

  38. AirChat? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So,,,Sounds that travel over the air without the use of a phone or internet connexion,,,,I call it dialogue face to face but HEY,,,always new ways to re-invent the wheel

  39. Easy to detect and suppress by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These guys are talking about communication when the government is the adversary. FCC is the least of their worries.
    However, this is still possible given the state of the technology. They just need to slow down the bitrate and go below the noise level. They mention Fldigi, so I guess the bitrates are in 30..3000bit/s range (because of the modulation types Fldigi supports). Relatively high power is needed, very easy to detect even at great distances.
    Look into JT65 and WSPR digital modes, guys. The bitrates are below 1bit/s, but it provides greatly improved stealth because of the very low power needed. These modes are still narrowband and are easily detected when the black van is close enough.
    The next step would be to develop a digital mode that uses the full 3kHz bandwidth of a low power transceiver, but the signal is indistinguishable from the noise and the bitrate is low, much less than 3kbit/s. Currently the amateurs are not interested in such modes, so nothing like this is available. This is where the development effort should be applied.

    1. Re:Easy to detect and suppress by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Olivia 1000/32 is pretty close... -14 db s/n... nothing stopping somebody from going to 2000/32 or 2000/64 or greater. 5 watts of power into an NVIS antenna on the right freq and you've got nearly 100% coverage inside the donut... You can't hear it, and you've got to be looking close to even see it in the waterfall.

      DF'ing it would be next to impossible if you kept the NVIS antenna really low to the ground.

  40. SLashdot is a lie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FYI, It probably doesn't appear if logged in. If you use the disable ads button it removes ALL the right hand sidebar (ads or not) which seems to include the noisy ones. HOWEVER it still left 2 animated ads and a damn popup....not my idea of disabled.

    Looking up ad blockers now. I hadn't even used the disable ads button before that autoplay crap. You are NOT gaining much ground.

  41. Standing on the Shoulders of Giants by ka6wke · · Score: 1

    This idea has been around for a very long time:

    http://servv89pn0aj.sn.sourced...

    Green Bay Professional Packet Radio - probably has done the most work in this area.
    http://www.qsl.net/n9zia/

    Amateur Radio packet radio has been around since the late 80s. There's a new approach being tested as a wireless WAN on HF.
    http://uspacket.org/network/in...

    Yes, you do need a license, but encryption is not allowed on any amateur frequencies - unless it's the control channel for a ham satellite. ARRL tried to get an exception for ARES to transmit HIPAA data via packet encrypted, but FCC denied the petition. Anyone with a receiver and the Fldigi software can listen in.

    1. Re:Standing on the Shoulders of Giants by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Encryption IS allowed on HAM as long as you publish the keys, so as to make it a form of access control rather then message obscurity.

      The FCC doesn't exactly establish a standard for where or how the keys are published, though.

  42. Re:Implying Slashdot isn't guilty of the same char by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Worse, I've seen intermittent pop-up-like ads starting to show up at the bottom of the main slashdot page. Slashdot has been one of the few sites where I enable the display of ads because I want to support the site, and until recently the ads haven't been too obnoxious, but I draw the line at pop-up ads. They're blocked in the browser, but slashdot is obviously using some other rendering trick to make it display anyway. In most cases they aren't even different ads from the ones that I do see embedded in the page at top and sides. They're redundant and annoying.

  43. mesh networks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    mesh networks and bitcoins. problems solved.

  44. Funny, mod parent up by JigJag · · Score: 1

    n/t

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    "The hallmark of humanity is the ability to move beyond sensory inputs" - Mary Helen Immordino-Yang
  45. Huh? by davidwr · · Score: 1

    See, when I was a kid, we had this thing called the postal service. It was great. If you had a piece of paper.

    What is this "paper" of which you speak?

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    Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
  46. So Be It. by Minwee · · Score: 1

    "Hi folks! It seems we have a new listener tonight: Mr Watts of the F.C.C! Hi Arthur, thanks for coming out."

  47. There are legal ways to do this by davidwr · · Score: 2

    First off, in a war zone where there is anarchy, "everything is legal" unless the local warlord or the country or entity firing bombs in your direction says otherwise.

    Second, during times of disaster many communication rules are waived, particularly on frequencies that don't cross national boundaries and which don't cause harm to other emergency or government services.

    Third, there are unlicensed frequencies that can be used for ad-hoc metro-area connections if you have good directional antenna. CB radio works tens of miles, maybe over 100, with a good directional antenna and that's without "skywave." Highly directional WiFi antennas can give you tens-of-miles communication over "no special license required" frequencies. If you can go above RF and use visible light or near-infrared, you can either use pulses or if you are really sophisticated and the distances aren't too long, you can use lasers to do "fiber optics without the fiber." As far as I know, there are no radio authorities that regulate the use of visible light, but you may run into safety-related laws if you use laser beams.

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    1. Re:There are legal ways to do this by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      First off, in a war zone where there is anarchy, "everything is legal" unless the local warlord or the country or entity firing bombs in your direction says otherwise.

      So no different than a representative democracy then...

  48. Missing the point (many words! boiled-down...) by jtara · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Most posters here seem not to have read the details on the Github page, and are missing the point.

    This is a way to have encrypted point-to-point communication or (in some cases) network using any radio (or other) transmission equipment that will transmit/receive audio signals and allow you to tap-into the analog audio circuit of the transmitter and receiver. You could use it with:

    - telephones (landline kind)
    - mobile phones
    - radio transceivers (legal or illegal - the protocol doesn't *require* that you break the law!)
    - optical communication equipment - free air/fibre
    - etc. etc. etc.

    It just defines a common protocol and means of modulation/demodulation.

    They take a whole lot of words to say this, and throw in a lot of revolutionary rhetoric.

    And yes, it's very similar to amateur packet radio, except encrypted. So, lots of existing code to draw from.

    It's well within the capability of any PC or smartphone today. Although I let my ham license lapse many years ago, I do have a couple of receivers squirreled away somewhere, and a few years ago I experimented with listening-in on amateur packet radio. You just run the output from your receiver into the input of a Soundblaster card (I SAID this was a few years ago...) and the application handles the decoding.

    An interesting side-note: If you're near an airport, you can use similar software to decode VHF ACARS transmissions. (The kind that hasn't helped much in locating MH370). Just install some open-source software, hook your scanner up to your PC, tune to the right frequency, and it turns the squawks into somewhat-readable messages.

    It's biggest drawback is it's biggest strength, IMO. It DOESN'T define a common frequency, some complex frequency-hopping or spread-spectrum scheme, or even common transmission media. It would be extremely hard for it to gain critical mass. On the other hand, it means there are an awful lot of places one would have to look to find it. It's up to whatever group that wants to communicate to settle on a transmission media and (if applicable) frequency.

    1. Re:Missing the point (many words! boiled-down...) by MooseMiester · · Score: 1

      You are absolutely correct of course.

      It would take the NSA about a day to write an algorithm to detect the signature of an encrypted call... thus ensuring that anyone using such a device would immediately draw attention to themselves...

      Why not just do AFSK over a phone line.... same diff. About as secure as anything else, which is to say not secure at all really.

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  49. It's cute... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...how many of you think that The Law is a deterrent when Liberty is at stake.

    Correction, scary.

  50. L0pht? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Didn't L0pht already try this back in the 90's?

  51. Heh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Me and my group of peers have been experimenting with this for a long while. We were on IRC via telnet over packet radio and drop to the max distance to our setups. Fluid chat was impossible as the massive delay and data transfer rate was vastly sub par. I was complementing doing a project using a transceiver modal in the 433mhz range with a LNA (Low noise amplifier) and a custom designed directional antenna or a 2.4ghz transceiver using the nrf24l01. This would be controlled via a AVR micro controller to handle the interfaces wither it be tactile buttons and a small LCD screen, or USB interface into a computer. There are drawbacks to each, distance vs data transfer rate. If this was purely for sending text messages to people the first would be the better option.

    1. Re:Heh. by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      Something like "talk" might be better where you could actually see what people were typing as they were typing it. I always enjoyed that, it gave you a better feeling of being in direct contact with the remote person.

  52. re: righteous protest? by King_TJ · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The thing is though? The truth is typically someplace roughly in the middle.... EG. In Bundy's case, the truth is somewhere between his idea that federal land ownership is "unjust", and the idea that federal govt. should buy up huge swaths of land and just sit on them (for over 100 years at a time, in this instance, and probably many others) -- and then selectively enforce rules with an iron fist, when they suddenly deem it worthwhile.

    So the "anarchy" brings attention to the initial problem, and *hopefully* brings about an end result of some modification to existing regulations, to improve things in the future for everyone.

    It's pretty well documented in historical records that when the United States fought for freedom from England and the Revolutionary War began, there was a lot of this "over the top" behavior involved too. British soldiers, ordered to simply stand guard in certain areas, were spit on, had beer bottles thrown at them from nearby taverns, etc. -- in an attempt to provoke one of them to give in and fire a weapon. Bottom line? You can't really create effective change if you just sit quietly by and follow all the rules. The protesting/anarchy isn't usually 100% right, but it serves as a catalyst for change.

  53. The problem with ham... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I understand why people are pushing ham, but licensing, required identification, etc. are incompatible with the goals of this project and will never fly with those interested. As such, we should focus on education, etiquette and convention.

  54. re: HAM ... radio for govt. butt-kissers.... by King_TJ · · Score: 1

    HAM radio has long irritated me -- because while I completely see the value in people forming clubs to learn to use it, and value in cooperation so the bands can be used constructively? I think getting federal govt. involved in it was a HUGE mistake.

    I don't care how "easy" the licensing has become. The idea I should have to earn (and pay for) a license before I have the privilege of transmitting over the airwaves disgusts me. I was always very interested in the hobby, even purchasing a hand-held HAM radio receiver at one time to play around with. But ultimately, I got into CB radio and sold the HAM gear, because it's more true to how I think it should all work.

    When I used to listen to the "regulars" on the HAM bands, chatting, it struck me as largely a crowd of entitled, older men who felt self-important that they had this govt. issued call-sign to flaunt around.

    I'm sure many others simply take HAM radio as a serious responsibility (ability to get communications through in major emergencies, etc.) -- and that's great. But I'd rather see CB radio expanded to be far more useful by turning over a bigger chunk of these licensed HAM bands for the general public. Even on existing CB, I've seen channel 9 monitored very efficiently by volunteers at local radio stations who path you through to emergency services if needed. No govt. licensing necessary to make that function.

  55. Re: righteous protest? by dkman · · Score: 1

    Well put. Mod parent up.
    In this case I lean toward "redneck dick", but each case deserves to be looked at on it's own merits.

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  56. Re: righteous protest? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't forget that we *know* that the government lies to the courts, withholds evidence, and even destroys evidence. So it's not a big stretch to imagine that Bundy was railroaded. The BLM lied to the court about important issues in the case, and Bundy has the moral high ground.

    So the way things stand, the government gets no benefit of the doubt and Bundy does. Therefore, he looks more like an American Patriot fighting an out of control government agency than a nut-job (not that the two are mutually exclusive.)

    So, while I don't support violence, I applaud Bundy for standing up and I hope eventually the whole truth comes out.

  57. Re:Implying Slashdot isn't guilty of the same char by Arker · · Score: 1

    "I'll be damned if an ad on this very site (Slashdot) not only showed a video ad but the damn thing even autoplayed"

    Not to defend the crappy code (it's been crappy from day one and unlikely to improve) the other point of failure here is your browser. You should be able to configure it to pass on any website suggestions that involve executing "active content" without your explicit approval. Which is necessary for a large and growing portion of the web, I am afraid, certainly not just slashdot.

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  58. Re: righteous protest? by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

    "and then selectively enforce rules with an iron fist, when they suddenly deem it worthwhile."
    10 years and a million dollars in fines? Suddenly?
    Dude even if you do not think the that government should own the land it sure as shooting did not belong to that rancher!
    And I would like that rancher to please pay his back rent and lower the deficit by a million dollars!.

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  59. SailMail by Animats · · Score: 1

    There's something like this already working: SailMail. This is email for sailors, using a network of small radio stations around the world that talk to boats and to each other. It's very slow by modern standards; it makes dial-up look fast. It's strictly email, being a store and forward system. But it's a cheap, effective way to get a message to or from a small sailboat in the middle of an ocean. Coverage is worldwide. People have sailed around the globe without losing connectivity.

    The guy who set it up is into yacht racing; he won the transatlantic sailing speed record in 2001.

  60. Re:Communicate without need for phone or internet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually when I first read the synopsis I thought is said "communicate using AUDIO frequencies" and it was in fact some kind of parody of geeks learning to actually use sound waves in air to communicate with each other...

  61. Re: HAM ... radio for govt. butt-kissers.... by bobbied · · Score: 1

    HAM radio has long irritated me -- because while I completely see the value in people forming clubs to learn to use it, and value in cooperation so the bands can be used constructively? I think getting federal govt. involved in it was a HUGE mistake.

    So you don't think the federal government has any right to regulate the use of radio spectrum? I think you are gravely mistaken. Radio spectrum space is a national resource that needs to be managed at the federal level or chaos would be the result. Literally nothing would work like it does now. Your cell phone, your GPS receiver, your WiFi router, the radio in your car and a whole host of things would be hit or miss, if they worked at all. The FCC is necessary. In fact, it was the FCC that created CB, and at least initially they required a license if you where using it. So, like it or not, even on CB you are subject to FCC regulations about the equipment you use and how you use it. Not that they enforce them very well.

    I don't care how "easy" the licensing has become. The idea I should have to earn (and pay for) a license before I have the privilege of transmitting over the airwaves disgusts me.

    You do realize that the fees you are charged for taking the test are NOT collected for the FCC's coffers right? The FCC doesn't get a dime of the $15 test fees, but it goes to the VE organizations that print, distribute, mail, administer and file the paperwork related to the testing. It doesn't even go the guys/gals standing their monitoring you when you take the test, who grade the test and fill out the paperwork, they are all volunteers who do this for free. Which is what the Armature radio service is all about.

    Plus, there is a *point* to what you need to learn here. RF is dangerous stuff at power levels legal for hams to use. You can harm yourself, your family and those that live around you if you don't know what you are doing. Proving you have at least SOME knowledge about what you are doing is a good idea. Also, spectrum is a finite resource, and if you don't know how to tune your radios and antennas or know what modulation techniques are suitable you are going to waste a whole lot of that resource.

    But I think you totally ignore the *purpose* of ham radio,

    (a) Recognition and enhancement of the value of the amateur service to the public as a voluntary noncommercial communication service, particularly with respect to providing emergency communications.

    (b) Continuation and extension of the amateur's proven ability to contribute to the advancement of the radio art.

    (c) Encouragement and improvement of the amateur service through rules which provide for advancing skills in both the communication and technical phases of the art.

    (d) Expansion of the existing reservoir within the amateur radio service of trained operators, technicians, and electronics experts.

    (e) Continuation and extension of the amateur's unique ability to enhance international goodwill.

    (from 47 CFR Part 97, Paragraph 1 "Basis and Purpose")

    I was always very interested in the hobby, even purchasing a hand-held HAM radio receiver at one time to play around with. But ultimately, I got into CB radio and sold the HAM gear, because it's more true to how I think it should all work.

    When I used to listen to the "regulars" on the HAM bands, chatting, it struck me as largely a crowd of entitled, older men who felt self-important that they had this govt. issued call-sign to flaunt around.

    I'm sure many others simply take HAM radio as a serious responsibility (ability to get communications through in major emergencies, etc.) -- and that's great. But I'd rather see CB radio expanded to be far more useful by turning over a bigger chunk of these licensed HAM bands for the general public. Even on existing CB, I've seen channel 9 monitored very efficiently by volunteers at local radio stations who path you through to emergency services if neede

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  62. Public Access to Airwaves by Sanians · · Score: 1

    The idea I should have to earn (and pay for) a license before I have the privilege of transmitting over the airwaves disgusts me.

    I feel the same way about it. I can understand wanting to license people who want to build their own transceivers, and maybe even those who want to develop their own modulation schemes and data protocols, but the fact that a HAM can't design and build some nice little ARPS transceivers for his friends and neighbors and allow them to use the devices without having their own license doesn't make any sense to me. Especially if the device were to transmit his call sign when in use so that people know who to talk to if the device or its user misbehaves. The radio spectrum is a natural resource, so I don't understand why less than 1% of it belongs to the public. There's no reason why we should all be paying monthly fees to cell phone companies when ARPS shows us that volunteers are more than capable of running a public text messaging system for free.

    When I looked into HAM radio, I just couldn't see anything that appealed to me. I'm not the kind of person who cares to try to see how far away I can communicate with the least amount of power just for shits and giggles. I'd want to build digital devices, using my own data protocols, and maybe experiment with new modulation schemes, but the FCC dictates what you're allowed to transmit and what modulation schemes you're allowed to use. I don't even know how they ended up with ARPS since, from what I saw when I looked into HAM radio, no one would have been allowed to start the project because, by virtue of being new, it wouldn't have been on the list of things that people are permitted to do.

    Anyway, I eventually lost interest, but if I still cared I'd probably either use CB or FRS and just ignore the fact that what I was doing with those frequencies was illegal since it's unlikely anyone who heard the transmissions would give a shit anyway. Around here, both bands are rather vacant, so it's unlikely anyone would even notice what I was doing, never mind anyone caring about it.

  63. Body nulling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This comes in useful when you are close to the transmitter. I had no trouble tracking a signal to almost the exact spot with a simple directional antenna, but had trouble when the signal was so strong I couldn't get it to null out no matter what direction I faced.

  64. Packet radio? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like packet radio.

  65. Anonymous (and whoever else) will get in trouble.. by storkus · · Score: 1

    ...because they're too greedy. Let's go down the list of what I've read here so far:

    1a. CB radio: this band, 11 meters, was formerly an amateur radio band and was taken away to make the CB band. It became the total morass it is now when they stopped licensing it.

    1b. This also shows what happens to a band in the absence of regulation and licensing. You can get away with this in the ISM portions of the microwave bands due to the massive propagation losses; this was originally the thought for using 11 meters for the CB band, but they didn't factor in amps. giant antennas, and especially ionospheric propagation: hence the need for "CB" bands up in the UHF range (aka GMRS/FRS/etc).

    2. You "free band" too much and start interfering with people who actually care, and you'll find out how fast they come after you. This largely depends on what country you are in and what band. As an example, ask the Brazilian guy who was on US military frequencies in NYC, or the people regularly busted for jamming or at least operating on police frequencies.

    3. As pointed out repeatedly, this has already been invented both by hams and commercially.

    4. Encryption on amateur radio bands is explicitly banned in most countries including the USA and Canada; strangely, this doesn't seem to exist in the ITU regs. I'm sure the thought on this is that Amateur Radio must not be used for business or as a replacement for other communications except in emergencies; also Amateurs regularly communicate with foreign countries, so everyone wants to be able to listen to them. If you look at the preamble of the relevant section of the law, the part about "fostering goodwill" would be inherently violated with encryption. Remember, everyone getting so gung-ho with EMCOMM is a relatively recent phenomena, and the primary purposes have always been experimentation such. It's sad that newer people to the hobby and even the national organizations like ARRL/CRRL/JARL/RSGB/etc seem to have forgotten this.

    5. All nations' regulations follow (more or less) the International Telecommunications Union (ITU) regulations as a guideline, though every nation usually makes changes. As long as these changes don't impact other countries, it doesn't matter much. I believe this is part of the reason the world is organized into 3 regions: Europe, Africa, and the old USSR and its satellites are Region 1, the New World including Greenland is Region 2, and the rest of Asia and Oceania is Region 3.

    Oh, and just to drive home the interference point, I had to jump on ARRL's web site and these were on the front page:

    http://transition.fcc.gov/eb/O...
    http://www.arrl.org/news/fcc-c...

  66. Crappy domestic equipment by Ozoner · · Score: 1

    From what you say, the fault is with the crappy domestic equipment. Most domestic electronics equipment in USA has very poor "Immunity" specifications. Any nearby RF will cause interference.

    BTW, interference to non-radio equipment (eg a landline) can never be the fault of the transmitter.

    And your claim that "boosting it's power" will "fuck up it's channel separation" shows that you haven't a clue.

    1. Re:Crappy Domestic Equipment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In MEN systems like what we have in Australia/New Zealand, you can have faulty radio transmitters that radiate RF through their neutral connection instead of the RF earth connection. It still takes two to tango. Also the above posters stories sound hard to be believe; if they were AM stations it would be plausible, but FM transmitters aren't likely to cause spurious emissions that would be demodulated by crappy power supplies.

    2. Re:Crappy domestic equipment by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Really, What do you know about side bands, filters, hacking a transmitter to increase it's power and bleed over the 3 neighboring channels? Please explain, I'm only an EE. Clearly you are the cluefull one /sarc

      We could use Cat5 for phone lines. But for existing houses land lines are not twisted. It doesn't take much wire separation to make an antenna.

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    3. Re:Crappy Domestic Equipment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any non-linear electrical circuit can demodulate AM radio signals.. FM radio signals.. no way. But it can certainly cause interference. However, pre-HDTV (analog) used frequency modulation for the audiotrack so that could hypotheticaly tune some FM staitons close fo the VHF band...

  67. Crappy Domestic Equipment by Ozoner · · Score: 1

    No matter how badly a Transmitter is tuned, it cannot be the cause of interference to land-lines and other non-radio equipment.

    The cause can ONLY be crappy design of the domestic equipment.

  68. It's just Ham software re-packaged by Ozoner · · Score: 1

    If you go to https://github.com/lulzlabs/Ai... you can access the original.

    It seems they are using the Amateur Radio Fldigi software to support their Lulzpacket protocol.

    All rather sad and overrated really.

     

  69. Odd things resonate when near very high power tran by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Odd things resonate when near very high power transmitters. I used to hear my father's linear on the toaster upstairs.

  70. Using their cheap suggested setup..... by jzatopa · · Score: 1

    How far could you receive and transmit?

  71. What if people had to sleep on it? by bbsalem · · Score: 1

    Latency, even lots of latency may be a good thing and require low bandwidth and time to broadcast. I remember getting e-mail and USENET over 56KB phone lines with UUCP. The needs of a mesh or ad hoc network using packet switched radio for text and images and sound, needn't be that demanding if people adjusted to latent communication. If you goal was to have discussion free of commercial pressures, you could get by with delays, short transmission times, store and forward technology and ad hoc communication away from the Internet and the mobile network. If you didn't require voice or video, you could get text and images for much less resource, even if you had to pirate from allocated bands to do it. Maybe you do the opposite of cell-phone comm, you do narrow bandwidth very directional short burst comm even in allocated bands. If people are patient, you do this in a low demand way and it is difficult to prevent; all the better if your use of bandwidth is super efficient and you disrupt no one.

  72. Bundy grazing land by iMactheKnife · · Score: 1

    Nevada ceded administration of their state land to the Fed originally because the new state had no infrastructure to tend the land or secure it. The Nevada constitution provides explicitly for grazing on this land. It is supposed to be pubic land, not private land held by the Fed or BLM. There is a constitutional prohibition against the Fed owning land as a squatter.

    The idea was that at some future time the Fed would relinquish the land to the state of Nevada. Fat chance of that.

    Around 1993 BLM insisted on a contract that required ranchers to give up their water and grazing rights forever, except where the BLM doled them out for a fee. All but a few ranchers quit the range. Bundy refused to sign and got stubborn.

    Twenty years later, 200 armed BLM thugs showed up with snipers and SWAT teams to collect the grazing fees.....the rest is history. By coincidence, that grazing land is now set aside to mitigate tortoises for a solar power plant about 35 miles away. By coincidence, Harry Reid's son is an executive for that power plant project. By coincidence, the head of the BLM was Reid's former staffer. By coincidence, nothing was done for 20 years until those people suddenly needed Bundy gone.

  73. Re: HAM ... radio for govt. butt-kissers.... by sjames · · Score: 1

    Personally, I don't think we should declare a free for all on spectrum like King_TJ apparently does, but I would like to see more spectrum opened for unlicensed use much as the ISM band was. The rate of advance there has been startling the last few years. Adding space at 5GHz was good, but it might be interesting to allocate at least some space in a band with a better reach (still at a reasonably low power).

    This should not come out of the ham bands, they've been compressed enough.

  74. re: free for all on spectrum? by King_TJ · · Score: 1

    Just to clarify.... I don't think I ever suggested the entire RF spectrum should be made a total free-for-all. I think, clearly, the people who paid to purchase portions of it for commercial activities are entitled to use those parts of the spectrum without disruption. (And yes, unfortunately, that means we've probably got keep another initialed government agency around to manage that -- hence the FCC.)

    My main point was that I think the spectrum, by and large, should be made available for the general public's free use. Many of the complaints of illegal and disruptive use of CB radio has very little to do with the idea that its users are "untrained" (like they supposedly would be, by contrast, earning HAM radio licenses). It has FAR more to do with it lacking in usefulness with the limits on power output levels the FCC placed on it. When you're only allowed to broadcast with 4 watts of power, maximum, and the predominant use is to talk between moving vehicles -- you just don't get enough range not to frustrate users. That, in turn, leads to people slapping in all sorts of poorly designed and leaky power amplifiers of questionable origin, and broadcasting garbage all over the spectrum.

    And as I believe I said in my original message? I'm fine with HAM existing for those wishing to broadcast on the frequencies most useful for transmitting very long distances. That's a niche case though, compared to all the people who just want a free alternative to using a cellphone or some commercial walkie-talkie, for general/casual conversations and to enhance safety when on the road. These people should at least be able to use something more like what's available currently with a 2 meter HAM radio, without need of a govt. issued callsign.