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Comcast Offers To Shed 3.9 Million Subscribers To Ease Cable Deal

An anonymous reader writes "In a bid to win regulatory approval for its proposed $45 billion takeover of Time Warner Cable, Comcast has offered to sell 1.4 million pay TV subscribers to Charter Communications for $7.3 billion. From the article: 'Comcast also said it would divest another 2.5 million subscribers into a new publicly traded company, dubbed SpinCo for now, to be one-third owned by Charter and two-thirds owned by Comcast shareholders. The deal will make Charter — whose own bid for Time Warner Cable was thwarted by Comcast's higher offer — the second-biggest U.S. pay TV company with 5.7 million customers, overtaking Cox Communications Inc.'"

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  1. Comcast users are the new currency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    To think that I was wasting money on bitcoin ... when I should have been trading Comcast users ...

  2. Don't care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It isn't the subscriber base. It's the control of content creation.

    1. Re:Don't care by fortfive · · Score: 2

      Indeed. Also, content distribution at the levels above last-mile/individual subscriber.

      On the other hand, it seems reasonable to accept that content distribution, and internet/TV service providing, are natural monopolies, and we may as well turn it over to a single company with tight consumer-interest regulation.

      On the third hand, and way old-timers help me out here, it seems that telephone service under Ma Bell was somewhat expensive when compared with today's prices (even accounting for inflation). I suppose a better analysis would be to look at actual costs of providing equivalent service, and consumer price to cost ratios then and now.

      But your essential point is accurate: it's really is not about competition for subscribers.

    2. Re:Don't care by SuricouRaven · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's the UK approach: We have the 'company that runs the wires' and the 'company that moves the data.' The BT infrastructure division is obliged to allow any ISP to rent their telephone lines on equal terms*. The company running the last mile service doesn't care about content - they just connect the end users and the ISPs together.

      I can't see it taking off in the US though. The political situation isn't favorable to that sort of regulation, and the lobbying influence too strong.

      *Though there have been many problems with unofficial sweetheart deals for BT internet, as they are another division of the same company.

  3. So lets sell off the unprofitable areas. by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why do I get the feeling that the Rural locations are going to be part of this group. You know the group that may have miles of cable to maintain, for a less populated group of people. And giving up that group, to the competition prevents them from keeping their costs down, as they are covering more expensive areas to maintain. Thus making them seem less appealing. Causing people in that region to try to get a more affordable service in that area. Thus making Comcast look like the savior coming in to save the day!

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    1. Re:So lets sell off the unprofitable areas. by alen · · Score: 2

      and why would another company want to buy these customers?

    2. Re:So lets sell off the unprofitable areas. by barlevg · · Score: 2
      Indeed, from TFA:

      The divestments, mostly in the U.S. Midwest, would deliver about $19.5 billion in value to Comcast shareholders, the companies said.

      So yeah, they're "divesting" flyover states.

    3. Re:So lets sell off the unprofitable areas. by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The smaller companies, tend to pick up the less profitable areas, because the big guys get them all. Think of it as an Easter egg hunt. The more aggressive stronger boys will often get all the easy to find eggs, leaving the little smaller kids, trying to find the harder to find eggs...

      However they usually end up with something so they are happy. The same thing with cable companies. If they can expand their range all the better. If they get lucky a particular area could start growing thus give them something more valuable. However more people who know their name the better.

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    4. Re:So lets sell off the unprofitable areas. by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 2

      Like I said, they hate it here.

      They have spent very little money keeping their systems up in Indiana. They constantly oversell their services with push salespeople who don't know their product. Their local offices spend their days on the phone with angry hicks.

      In some ways I am fine with seeing the backside of Comcrap, but Charter has a pretty bad reputation itself.

      Fiber is supposed to go into my town... and this just wears my patience thinner...

    5. Re:So lets sell off the unprofitable areas. by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 2

      Oh God, please let it be true. Deliver us from the Scourge of Comcast, and make haste unto thy busom of Charter.

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    6. Re:So lets sell off the unprofitable areas. by pr0fessor · · Score: 3, Informative

      Telecommuting is becoming more common and you can do it from anywhere, which is what makes the sticks appealing.

      I live in a rural place but not so rural that I can't get gas or go to a grocery store 24/7 and telecommute to work. I drive my car a few times a week and rarely over 50-60 miles/week. I enjoy a small mortgage payment, lower property taxes, and less crime. I'm much better off financially than co-workers in higher cost of living areas.

      I spend time throwing BBQs and tending my lawn which is much bigger than anything you get with a city apartment {when I was in college the dorms where barely larger than my patio}. This week end I may go fishing if the weather is good... it's not far to drive.

  4. Comcast sets some free by borcharc · · Score: 2

    This is a good deal for those who are getting Charter or Spinco (will be managed by Charter) out of the deal. Charter has a fairly open peering policy https://www.charter.com/browse....

  5. Straight from the Book of AT&T by Jahoda · · Score: 2

    ...wherein we find our hero offering to "sacrifice" with petty divestments to "competitors".... as if they'd ever face any true regulatory action - they spent a lot of money on those guys, after all.

  6. Don't mind being sold by penguinoid · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm sure the people in question don't mind being sold to a different company.

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    1. Re:Don't mind being sold by hAckz0r · · Score: 2

      Better if it were every other neighbour. That way there would have to a second cable company's cable in the ground and some actual competition in the neighbourhood. Satellite doesn't count as competition if what you are after is voip or Internet access. When you are the only game in town it doesn't matter how many subscribers your local monopoly has. Selling and buying any number of subscribers doesn't make any difference to the locked-in consumer.

  7. Re:offer by sensei+moreh · · Score: 2

    I would have modded you up, but just wanted to add that not only is it crappier service, it's more expensive

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  8. Worth of a cable subscriber by WPIDalamar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Does this mean a cable subscriber is worth ~ $5000 to a cable company?

  9. The Great Customer Swap by Jason+Levine · · Score: 4, Informative

    Comcast is trying to spin this as being some kind of big "we won't be a monopoly thanks to this so don't regulate us" concession.

    It's effectively carving up the markets between Comcast and Charter, though.

    Comcast "gives" Charter 1.4 million subscribers. In addition, Comcast swaps 3 million subscribers in Wisconsin, Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana and Alabama to Charter in exchange for 1.6 million subscribers in "New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, California, Texas, Georgia, North Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia, Washington, Maryland, and some smaller areas contiguous to existing Comcast or Time Warner Cable systems." [Source] Then, about 2.5 million customers will be served by a new company that is run 2/3 by Comcast and 1/3 by Charter.

    Effectively, Comcast is "dropping" about 4.5 million customers but what they are really doing is carving up the market with Charter so that each won't need to compete with the other. They'll each stay in their own little geographic area and everyone is happy. (Where "everyone" means the cable companies, of course. Not the customers who will see higher and higher bills with little to no competition.)

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  10. Re:Never going to work by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Until Comcast gets split into NBC and ISP again, no one will ever support them in expanding their business.

    Sure they will...

    For the right price.

  11. Good deal ? by frovingslosh · · Score: 2

    If you were sold to someone for over $5200, don't you think that they would be thinking about how to get paid back for that "investment"? Where do you think that money is going to end up coming from?. This is a bad deal for everyone who has cable, and indeed a bad deal for everyone who watches TV. It will only serve to drive up cable prices for everyone, and even serve as another incentive to further discriminate against the "free air" viewers.

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    1. Re:Good deal ? by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 2

      Actually, in a situation where a city authorizes a monopoly service, why aren't the people of that city consulted when that service is to change hands.

      Maybe they are consulted by consulting with the city council or commissioners, but we all know that's just as good as no oversight at all.

      You'd at least think there would be public hearing...

  12. So can we call it an oligopoly now? by water-and-sewer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's ridiculous one company can just 'sell' its customers. Customers should have the choice. This is ridiculous and unfair and shows any semblance of 'regulation' of the field is a joke. Regulation in name only.

    How about if I just sell a couple of 'bought' Congressmen? Because they weren't doing much anyway, other than pissing me off.

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  13. I'm all about free markets but... by bobbied · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Really? So we are going to let a company (Comcast) placate the regulators by doing two things? First, by selling some of their customer base to a competitor and then spinning off another competitor. This should NOT happen.

    Fist, anytime you have to sell off part of business in a merger to keep the regulators happy it should be a HUGE red flag. It means that you fully realize that your proposed merger is going to create a company that is too large. I hear shades of Microsoft trying to *GIVE* M$ Money to a competitor in order to buy Intuit in a deal that got rejected by regulators (if I recall correctly). Even if the competition is OK with the deal, any horse trading like this should pretty much be considered an admission that the resulting company is too big.

    Second, can anybody imagine why you'd want to create some new company when doing a deal like this? Why do they want two separate companies? Usually it is expensive to split a company and unless the two businesses are TOTALLY different kinds of business it usually is more expensive to run two companies over one. So what are they going to gain? One reason they spin off similar companies is to restructure debt and position future liabilities. You take the bad parts of a company (that nobody wants to buy) and spin them off to rid yourself of debt and liabilities, which you dump into the spinoff. So if you see a segment of your business is dying, or the future liabilities are looming (like expensive Union pension plans and older employees) you unload them. Then the child company dies a slow and painful death trying to deal with the debt while the parent lives on.

    Both of these actions tell me that Comcast knows that the merger will not be approved so they are grasping at straws in a vain attempt to placate regulators. This merger may still happen, but if it goes though it will be a bad deal for consumers and I'll bet that we find out that Comcast dropped some serious money behind the scenes in the form of bribes, campaign contributions, and lobbying to make it happen. Crony politics are in play and I guess Comcast didn't donate enough to campaign coffers in the last round, or they really need money badly this time around.

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