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MIT Bitcoin Project To Create Cryptocurrency Ecosystem, Give $100 Per Student
rjmarvin (3001897) writes "Two MIT students have raised $500,000 to turn the campus into a cryptocurrency ecoystem, giving each MIT undergrad $100 in Bitcoin (or about 0.22 Bitcoins) starting next Fall. The MIT Bitcoin Project will make MIT the first physical location worldwide with widespread access to the digital currency. As of yet, there are no regulations governing how the students can use it."
Giving every student a fedora and trench-coat.
Unfortunately there was no money left for the "enough razors to shave neck-beards" initiative
More like they'll pool their money, buy components for and build a dedicated bitcoin harvester, invest their gains in more equipment, and virtuously circle their way to enough bitcoins to buy free weed for everyone, including the staff.
The issue with BitCoin isn't the acquisition, its the storage and spending. Giving each student easy access to a university-run "bank" with safe backed-up storage and good access would be a big step in the right direction. Having everywhere in MIT that accepts dollars also accept BitCoin would do far more.
The reason that the dollar works - that all currency works, really - is that people need it to interact with the government. Make BitCoin the easiest way to interact with MIT (for daily use stuff even) and people will use it, which will force them to acquire it, which will entice more people to take it, etc.
You're special forces then? That's great! I just love your olympics!
So, how does this work? Every time I see reference to fractional bitcoins I get confused.
Is a bitcoin an atomic or a divisible unit? I'd thought it was an atomic unit, and there wouldn't be things like 0.22 Bitcoins. How do you spend a fraction of a bitcoin?
Are there bitpennies? I don't think I understand this new fangled stuff well enough yet.
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
What does the IRS think about this little financial transaction?
If you think I voted for Trump because of this post, you're wrong. I voted for Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party. Again.
Once there was a gnarled and crooked tree in a forest of stoat oaks. The oaks made fun of him because he was completely useless and served no purpose.
Now there stands a gnarled and crooked tree on a meadow where there once was a forest of stout oaks, free to all the carbon dioxide and nitrogen he could ever want, because being useless is immensely useful.
Thank you - I now have a very amusing picture in my head of a stoat oak. Possibly some kind of bizarre animal-vegetable hybrid formed by those self-same ex-MIT students who all got rich promoting the currency of our new distributed overloads?
You're special forces then? That's great! I just love your olympics!
Well just make sure to save all your receipts for that $3 latte or whatever else you buy for 7 years along with hire a tax professional to figure everything out since you are paying with property that will have capitol gains/losses.
But you need to get out before the price goes down...
The simple fact that you are comparing BitCoin to its price, indicates to me that it is a poor imitation of an investment. If BitCoin is a currency, who cares what it costs... The question is what can you GET for them... Right now? Not much. So it doesn't really matter how many of them there are.
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Like casinos in Nevada that mint their own silver dollar size tokens
and gaming chips it may make sense for closed electronic transaction
systems.
Parents and scholarships might make deposits to the account of a student.
Time payments to ensure a meal ticket or rent budget not be blown in a weekend
might be facilitated.
Interesting.....
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Thank you for that, I foresee my gaming group encountering a pack of stoatoaks in the near future.
Really the main question is why? What was the supposed problem that this is solving? Or is this yet another solution in search of a problem.
Is to legitimize virtual currencies and get people primed for the move away from cash, because what gives those in power even more power?
Complete and utter control over your finances.
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The question is what can you GET for them... Right now? Not much.
You really need to update your anti-Bitcoin propaganda. Between Bitcoinstore, Overstock.com, TigerDirect, Fancy, eGifter, and Gyft you can get quite a bit for a bitcoin these days, and that's not counting all these other merchants:
Trade page at the Bitcoin Wiki
"The state is that great fiction by which everyone tries to live at the expense of everyone else." - Bastiat
Cryptocurrencies rely on smartphones and wallet backups and encryption and time delays and blah blah blah. It's actually less convenient and easy than cash or credit. So what they need is an NFC-like system. Just get the "credit belts" from the book A Tale of Time City or something. Those worked pretty slick! With bitcoins the delay to verify that a transmission wasn't faked is up to 10 minutes. Even in litecoin, it's 2.5 minutes. That's a bit long to hang around and make awkward conversation with the checkout person at a shop while there's a line behind you. That alone will make it not work.
I assume 'Gelatinous Cubes' were invented when someone's mom brought down snacks to the basement during a miniatures session.
Pretzel Golems didn't make the cut.
According to the IRS, bitcoin is a property, not a currency. For the IRS, bitcoin is the equivalent of real estate or shares of stock. You don't pay capital gains on currency, but you do on property.
By next fall, 100$ in Bitcoin might be 0.0022BTC or 22BTC.
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Don't think of bitcoin as a currency, something that you hold over a period of time. Think of it as a transaction mechanism, an alternative to credit cards, pay pal, etc.
Merchants already have the option to assume zero risk when using bitcoins. An exchange like Coinbase lets merchants do all their accounting, pricing and billing in US Dollars. If a customer wants to use bitcoins the merchant sends the transaction info in USD to Coinbase, Coinbase translates that to Bitcoins and provides a Coinbase payment address, sends this updated transaction info back to the merchant and when coinbase receives the coins the merchant is paid the USD amount they originally submitted to coinbase regardless of any bitcoin price fluctuations that took place in the minutes it took the transaction to occur and be verified. The merchant never sees a bitcoin, and with the new IRS guidelines this is a good thing.
On the consumer side it may not be as convenient. It can take a few days to convert dollars to bitcoins, and there will probably be a fee. So keeping a small amount of coins in digital wallet may be common. Can they be lost, yes, but so can a physical wallet with USD. Can the USD to bitcoin conversion be sped up, perhaps with greater personal identification information provided to the exchange and a track record of use. But we're probably still talking about a 3 business day ACH transfer (bank to coin exchange) becoming a 1 business day ACH transfer.
What does the IRS think about this little financial transaction?
The IRS recently released a notice regarding virtual currencies.
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-dro...
I am not an accountant or tax advisor, but my understanding is that bitcoins are considered a property and not a currency so users must keep track of their basis and gains or losses like with stock purchases.
For incoming coins the new coins have a value based on the time they were received. The old coins returning to you based on when they were new. For outgoing coins (not including those coming back) it would probably be like other accounting practices where a first in first out (FIFO) system or a last in first out (LIFO) system is used. In either case the basis of the outgoing coins are known.
The odd thing would seem to be that as the outgoing coins are spent its necessary to determine if a gain (coins being paid at a price higher than basis) or a loss (coins being paid at a price lower than basis) is being recognized.
Ex. You buy one coin at $500 and another at $600. Coins are priced at $800 at the time of a future purchase. You buy something for $1,200, 1.5 coins. Using FIFO your basis for the outgoing 1.5 coins is $500 + $300 = $800, and the basis for the returning 0.5 coins is still $300. You experienced a gain of $400 on the 1.5 coins at the time of the sale and that $400 would seem to be taxable income. Apologies if I botched the math, hopefully the point gets across.
Do any of those actually sell a product for a fixed amount of bitcoin for longer than a day? Are in all cases are they taking bitcoin at whatever the exchange-rate-of-the-second is?
Who cares? The question was whether you could spend bitcoins for goods and/or services, not whether the prices are fixed in stone. Stores change their prices all the time, even prices given in USD. What matters is the price at the time you place your order.
"The state is that great fiction by which everyone tries to live at the expense of everyone else." - Bastiat
I foresee some young enterprising student to institute a "Beer for BitCoin" service. ... and since the BitCoins are being given free, I guess it falls under "Free as in Beer".
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From a user-friendliness point of view, it doesn't matter at all. However, from an economic point of view (which is the context in which this discussion originated), it make all the difference in the world. What these stores really do is sell their stuff for USD, only they allow for instant conversion of bitcoins to USD upon checkout. And the difference there is that this neither testifies of nor contributes to the stability of bitcoin's value, which, as pointed out earlier in this thread is an essential attribute for an an actual currency. Economies have gone down hard and people have died because of fluctuations in currencies, and that's why people in countries with unstable currencies often trade in USD.
How is owlbear used in a political context here? A google search wasn't very enlightening.
It's also a protocol, a common misconception is that it's "money".
Normal, usable, currencies don't halve in value over any 4 month time period.