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Kerry Says US Is On the "Right Side of History" When It Comes To Online Freedom

An anonymous reader writes "Addressing the audience at the Freedom Online Coalition Conference, Secretary of State John Kerry defended NSA snooping actions saying: 'Let me be clear – as in the physical space, cyber security cannot come at the expense of cyber privacy. And we all know this is a difficult challenge. But I am serious when I tell you that we are committed to discussing it in an absolutely inclusive and transparent manner, both at home and abroad. As President Obama has made clear, just because we can do something doesn't mean that we should do it. And that's why he ordered a thorough review of all our signals intelligence practices. And that's why he then, after examining it and debating it and openly engaging in a conversation about it, which is unlike most countries on the planet, he announced a set of concrete and meaningful reforms, including on electronic surveillance, in a world where we know there are terrorists and others who are seeking to do injury to all of us. And finally, transparency – the principles governing such activities need to be understood so that free people can debate them and play their part in shaping these choices. And we believe these principles can positively help us to distinguish the legitimate practices of states governed by the rule of law from the legitimate practices of states that actually use surveillance to repress their people. And while I expect you to hold the United States to the standards that I've outlined, I also hope that you won't let the world forget the places where those who hold their government to standards go to jail rather than win prizes.' He added: 'This debate is about two very different visions: one vision that respects freedom and another that denies it. All of you at the Freedom Online Coalition are on the right side of this debate, and now we need to make sure that all of us together wind up on the right side of history."

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  1. Sure, I guess I agree by robinsonne · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If by "right side" he means leaning towards totalitarianism and increasingly corporatist/fascist views towards online freedoms, then ok, I guess I can agree.

    1. Re:Sure, I guess I agree by Z00L00K · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I would say that the US used to be, but the last decades have turned over to the dark side.

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    2. Re:Sure, I guess I agree by Mitreya · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If by "right side" he means leaning towards totalitarianism and increasingly corporatist/fascist views towards online freedoms

      He says so right there:

      He added: 'This debate is about two very different visions: one vision that respects freedom and another that denies it.

      I just don't know what makes him think that the current administration is on the "respect freedom" side of things.

    3. Re:Sure, I guess I agree by MisterSquid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If by "right side" he means leaning towards totalitarianism and increasingly corporatist/fascist views towards online freedoms, then ok, I guess I can agree.

      The right side? What a bunch of horseshit. The summary quotes Kerry as saying

      And we believe these principles can positively help us to distinguish the legitimate practices of states governed by the rule of law from the legitimate practices of states that actually use surveillance to repress their people. And while I expect you to hold the United States to the standards that I've outlined, I also hope that you won't let the world forget the places where those who hold their government to standards go to jail rather than win prizes.

      Which I'm might be a typo ("the legitimate practices of states that actually use surveillance to repress their people") but would be unsurprised to find out he actually said that, Freudian slip and all that.

      What really infuriates me is the hypocrisy and the lies. Who is "win[ning] prizes" for holding the US government to standards? Snowden had to flee his country to seek asylum in RUSSIA for crying out loud.

      The whole thing stinks and they (Kerry, Obama) have the gall to lie to our faces that they are going to do something about it.

      I'm so angry I could spit.

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  2. History... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 5, Insightful

    History is written by the victors - not necessarily the good guys.

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  3. So lets be Open about it. by delt0r · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As far as i can tell, if there was no Snowden there wouldn't be any discussion at all.

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    1. Re:So lets be Open about it. by dmbasso · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly. This hypocrisy really pisses me off:

      I also hope that you won't let the world forget the places where those who hold their government to standards go to jail rather than win prizes.

      So please stop being a hypocrite and free Ms. Manning, give her a medal for her bravery.

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  4. Irony by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 5, Informative

    From TFS:

    "I also hope that you won't let the world forget the places where those who hold their government to standards go to jail rather than win prizes"

    So, Snowden isn't due for jail-time if he were to return to the USA, Mr. Kerry?

    And why has the Obama administration brought charges against more whistleblowers than all other administrations combined? (Six by Obama, three by all previous administrations combined)

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  5. Re:If Might Makes Right by Stargoat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Since the US, by controlling in the Internet, more or less is capable of re-writing any history that is less than praising of its methods, I suppose the US is on the right side of history. They can write the history, after all.

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  6. Arrogant, incompetent boob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    John Kerry in 1971 Doonesbury comics

    Some things never change

  7. Thomas Jefferson said.... by ToasterTester · · Score: 5, Informative

    "Does the government fear us? Or do we fear the government? When the people fear the government, tyranny has found victory. The federal government is our servant, not our master!"

  8. Aren't you supposed to be on the left? by jandrese · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, I agree that this administration is on the right side of history, but this is very annoying to people who elected them to be on the left! It's pretty annoying when the only two realistic candidates are the right and far right candidates.

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  9. He never said it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I just don't know what makes him think that the current administration is on the "respect freedom" side of things.

    At no point he said explicitly this administration is on the freedom side. 1st rules of politics : make the reader read something he thinks he might read but in reality do not say anything. Reader are probably all assuming *what* the right side is. The funny things is, kerry at no point really explicitly said it.