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Earthquake Warning Issued For Central Oklahoma

New submitter bobbied (2522392) writes "A rare warning has been issued by the US Geological survey today, warning of an increased risk of a damaging earthquake (magnitude 5.0 or greater) in central Oklahoma. There have been more earthquakes in Oklahoma (per mile) than California this year, prompting the USGS to issue their warning today (May 5, 2014).

This warning is the first such warning to be issued for a state east of the Rockies."

127 comments

  1. fraud opportunity! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is it too late to take out an insurance policy on some Oklahoma property?

    1. Re:fraud opportunity! by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Is it too late to take out an insurance policy on some Oklahoma property?

      Sure, no problem. Your first month's premium will be the expected damages to your property in the event of a magnitude 5.0 or greater earthquake, plus our cut; but you are welcome to buy!

    2. Re:fraud opportunity! by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Most insurance policies that you might be able to get include an 'act of god' clause that excludes major natural disasters.

    3. Re:fraud opportunity! by night_flyer · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not if you specifically purchase "earthquake" insurance, Ive had that on my house(s) for the last 15 years, looking like I got a good deal now...

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    4. Re:fraud opportunity! by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      I know a guy in Tennessee who tried to add flood insurance to his house not too long before he lost everything in the floods of 2010...his insurance company didn't offer it because the area wasn't considered a flood risk. Wouldn't take his money in exchange for pretty much doing nothing, because the risk was too low...suuuuure...

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    5. Re:fraud opportunity! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in Oklahoma. I just got earthquake insurance added to my home policy. The rider only cost $23 for the year. The fact is, most of the quakes are around 3.0 magnitude, which sometimes makes life more interesting, but is mostly harmless. Even a 5.0 quake is not that dangerous, and the damage is localized, not widespread. I would be much more concerned if I lived along the New Madrid fault, in Memphis, say.

    6. Re:fraud opportunity! by nblender · · Score: 2

      When I bought my house, my agent sold me on a 'seepage' rider... He said it was a good idea on a new house because you never know what leaks are going to happen. Sure enough, 10 years later we discovered the siding was installed incorrectly on one side of the house and water had been slowly seeping in to one section of wall... Called the insurance company, they sent an adjuster and immediately brought in a team to demolish that entire room in the basement and set up dehumidifiers... Awesome service I thought. After a couple weeks of dehmidification, I asked when they were expecting to start rebuilding... My insurance company said I wasn't covered for seepage. I pointed out that I had purchased seepage coverage. They said they'd get back to me. A week later, they got back to me. Still not covered. There's a proviso on the seepage coverage that says they don't cover "repeated seepage" and since the seepage had been ocurring every time it rained for the last 10 years, it counted as 'repeated'. So we were on the hook for the whole $15,000.

      In summary, you may buy coverage, but they will find some way to avoid coverage.

      Insurance: If they can afford to sell it to you, it's not a good deal.

    7. Re:fraud opportunity! by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      There's a proviso on the seepage coverage that says they don't cover "repeated seepage" and since the seepage had been ocurring every time it rained for the last 10 years, it counted as 'repeated'. So we were on the hook for the whole $15,000.

      Sorry this happened to you. But this whole thing sounds so ridiculous -- the very definition of "seepage" is that it happens slowly, over time, generally from repeated exposures to water events (rather than, say, "flooding," which happens all at once).

      A "seepage" policy that doesn't cover "repeated seepage" sounds like a warranty against "drips" from a faucet that doesn't cover "repeated dripping."

    8. Re:fraud opportunity! by MemoryAid · · Score: 1

      What's the deductible? In California, it's about 1/6th the value of the house.

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    9. Re:fraud opportunity! by AbsGeekNZ · · Score: 1

      http://www.geonet.org.nz/quake...

      Welcome to New Zealand, magnitude 4-5 quakes last month: 43, + 3 mag 5 - 6 just for fun.

      At only 1.43 times the size of Oklahoma, NZ is a much more rockin' place to be. (181,195 km^2 vs 268,021 km^2) Also earrthquake cover is much higher then $23USD/year.

  2. Earthquakes competency by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Finding out when (ie soon) and where an earthquake will occur is still almost pure luck. Of course, when the frequency of EQ is high, the probability that a bigger one happens is higher. But that almost the best we can predict. After the Tohoku EQ in Japan in 2011, amazing predictions were made by "specialists": a "big one" to occur in Tokyo within a couple of days, the Fuji mt to erupt soon, etc... nothing happened. (the cumulative probabilities of a big one in Tokyo was more than 90% at the time!).

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    1. Re:Earthquakes competency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Were these expert "experts" or media experts? 'Cuz televised news has a remarkable ability to find people willing to make bold, wild speculations without having looked at any actual numbers.

    2. Re:Earthquakes competency by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      Pure luck - maybe, but the quakes may show that something is going on. Don't forget that not far away (geologically speaking) is New Madrid where there was some considerable quakes (7.1 to 8.1) 200 years ago.

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    3. Re:Earthquakes competency by KliX · · Score: 1

      Do you understand what a probability is?

    4. Re:Earthquakes competency by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      What don't you understand in my post?

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    5. Re:Earthquakes competency by SimonInOz · · Score: 1

      >> There have been more earthquakes in Oklahoma (per mile)
      What the heck does that even mean? Do they mean per square mile? Cubic mile? (And OMG, when will USA finally give up on miles ... geez)

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    6. Re:Earthquakes competency by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

      He probably just doesn't understand why you even bothered posting it. Nobody said there would definitely be a big one, they are just saying that the probability is high.

    7. Re:Earthquakes competency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And kilometers are better because they are much easier divisible? I say people moved to Kilometers because they are dumber. Also, fracking has nothing to do with earthquakes in OK. The fact is OK was once an ocean floor and there is lots of pockets of oil and gas that were once filled that are now empty. That and a crap load of intercontinental faults. Oh and the fault and Californians like to bring their earthquakes with them.

    8. Re:Earthquakes competency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And kilometers are better because they are much easier divisible?

      There is that... plus also this:
      1000mm = 1m; 1000m = 1km
      1000ml = 1l
      1000g=1kg
      1000ml of H20 @ 4C = 1kg

      You know, it's kinda nice to have units be related to one another...
      But hey, if you want to be stuck using the imperial system along with these economic powerhouses and highly developed countries like Burma and the likes; be my guees...

    9. Re:Earthquakes competency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1000ml of H20 @ 4C = 0.999972kg

      FTFY

    10. Re:Earthquakes competency by laie_techie · · Score: 1

      1000ml of H20 @ 4C = 1kg

      You know, it's kinda nice to have units be related to one another...

      4C seems a random temperature (especially when pontificating the benefits of a base-10 system), plus you fail to mention a pressure. If you increase pressure, you can fit more mass within the same volume.

    11. Re:Earthquakes competency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They probably took one of the most common occuring fluids to make the calculation at standard athmosphere. Doesnt seem random at all really.

    12. Re:Earthquakes competency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IIRC 4C is where water has its highest density

    13. Re:Earthquakes competency by edibobb · · Score: 1

      Injection wells are the cause, according to USGS.

      Slashdot won't take this comment because I typed it too fast, so I'll type some more. Apparently Slashdot designers no longer use keyboards, because their new site is so cumbersome and slow to use with a keyboard, and they have no clue how long it takes to type a comment.

    14. Re:Earthquakes competency by Steve+Hamlin · · Score: 1

      "Of course, when the frequency of EQ is high, the probability that a bigger one happens is higher."

      You maybe talking about cumulative probabilities across multiple faults, but if we're talking about a single fault, then more frequent earthquakes generally mean that each earthquake is 'smaller', as opposed to infrequent fault slips that allow tectonic forces to build up so that when it finally does break free, that earthquake is 'bigger'.

    15. Re:Earthquakes competency by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      Actually the "cumulative probability" was related to the wrong big one predictions in Tokyo: at first, it was said the big one will happen within a couple of days (after 3/11) within ~70% probability, then, after a couple of weeks (since nothing happened), it will happen within a year with ~70% proba... retroactively, if you position yourself in the past, the cumulative probas of all "big one certainties" tend to be very high!

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  3. More Fracking' Earthquakes by Anna+Merikin · · Score: 4, Informative

    The joint statement indicates that a likely contributing factor to the increase in earthquakes is wastewater disposal by injection into deep geologic formations. The water injection can increase underground pressures, lubricate faults and cause earthquakes – a process known as injection-induced seismicity. Much of this wastewater is a byproduct of oil and gas production and is routinely disposed of by injection into wells specifically designed and approved for this purpose. The recent earthquake rate changes are not due to typical, random fluctuations in natural seismicity rates.

    'Nuff said.

    1. Re:More Fracking' Earthquakes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK fine, let's mine the moon instead. No one cares about moonquakes.

    2. Re:More Fracking' Earthquakes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's no moon

    3. Re:More Fracking' Earthquakes by DrXym · · Score: 1

      The Clangers do.

    4. Re:More Fracking' Earthquakes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anthropogenic Global Geological Disruption - let the trolling begin :)

    5. Re:More Fracking' Earthquakes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually it is Anthropogenic Locally Limited Extreme Geological Earth Disruption

    6. Re:More Fracking' Earthquakes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It'd be quite amusing, from a non-resident and anti-fracker, if these sorts of warnings became common place now for areas that have never had them issued.

      You wanting oil from fracking? Should have read the fine print: possibility of increased geologic disruption causing earthquakes. Hope the house is up to earthquake code!

    7. Re:More Fracking' Earthquakes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No mention of fracking in the summary or the headline. How useful...

    8. Re:More Fracking' Earthquakes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You realize that oil drilling only goes about 2.2 km deep, while most earth quakes are ten km deep?

    9. Re:More Fracking' Earthquakes by oobayly · · Score: 1

      Really, I always thought it was wind that caused ocean waves. You learn new bollocks every day here.

    10. Re:More Fracking' Earthquakes by flyneye · · Score: 1

      Not a bad idea! In light of the so called global warming caused by cow farting, we could all drop our pants, extend our moons and be fitted for a gas harvesting tank along with every cow on Earth! We understand there is GREAT energy potential in this RENEWABLE resource. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

                If we only fit some high profile models and teen stars with a unit, the rest of the population will follow willingly, cow-like to buy a new iFart unit from those thoughtful, globally conscious heroes over at Apple. Futures in beans and other indigestibles will skyrocket!

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    11. Re:More Fracking' Earthquakes by amanaplanacanalpanam · · Score: 1

      Well this is what happens when we delve too greedily, too deep. We awaken things.

    12. Re:More Fracking' Earthquakes by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, definitely the moon. Some of the calmest seas you'll see are during hurricane conditions when the ocean is protected from the moon's gravitational forces by thick cloud cover.

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    13. Re:More Fracking' Earthquakes by NotDrWho · · Score: 1

      They don't want oil from fracking, they want natural gas--a fuel that puts a lot less carbon dioxide into the atmosphere than other fossil fuels.

      So what's it going to be? Here are your choices:

      a) coal
      b) oil
      c) nuclear
      d) natural gas

      Solar and wind are not options because those can't handle the load, sorry.

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    14. Re:More Fracking' Earthquakes by beltsbear · · Score: 2

      Solar is a choice but as an add on, to reduce the others, not to replace any of them. Solar gives power when it is most needed during the day. It shaves off the peak demand predictably. When it is cloudy during peak AC time, solar produces less but the need for power is also less. Solar could easily be 10% of our power.

    15. Re: More Fracking' Earthquakes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol! You mean to tell me water vapor was the key to antigravity this entire time?

    16. Re: More Fracking' Earthquakes by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes, this is why you never see meteorites on cloudy nights - there is no gravity to pull them into the earth's atmosphere.

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    17. Re:More Fracking' Earthquakes by surd1618 · · Score: 1

      I'm kind of perplexed by this, because I know for a fact that astrology works on cloudy days, and I always heard that astrology involved the gravitational effects of the planets.

    18. Re: More Fracking' Earthquakes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But i love mooncakes

    19. Re:More Fracking' Earthquakes by jlowery · · Score: 1

      Nice to know the fracking 1% will be getting theirs. And nice to know Oklahomans will feel the trickle-down effects, also.

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    20. Re:More Fracking' Earthquakes by entrigant · · Score: 1

      Nuclear, obviously. The energy crisis was solved 50 years ago. Our will to implement the solution just vanished under a haze of ignorance and propaganda.

    21. Re:More Fracking' Earthquakes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't want oil from fracking, they want natural gas . . .

      Bullshit. They definitely want oil from fracking. It's a lot more valuable than the methane they get - especially since methane has dropped in price because of all the fracking. Even the natural gas liquids have dropped in price to the point where they are relatively unprofitable. A lot of fracking wells would lose money if it weren't for the oil they can pump out. Unfortunately, the production of oil from fracking typically drops off precipitously in a year or two, and then most of what you have left is methane production. Natural gas production can be profitable enough to pay ongoing costs, but often not enough to pay for the capital expenses of the well.

    22. Re:More Fracking' Earthquakes by Joe+U · · Score: 1

      Our will to implement the solution vanished because some idiots let energy companies run reactors.

      I'm all for nuclear, if it's done properly. I just don't wan't the company that burns up at least one substation a year to run it.

  4. Well. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is anyone suprised that making the bedrock akin to swiss cheese causes earthquakes? i hearby call DUH on this.

  5. So where do we bury it.... by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

    This area was tested for nuclear waste disposal, Yucca Mountain won out.
    This area is a basalt range, and no problem for future earthquakes (claimed), yes we have Mt.s St. Helen but that's the edge of two plates.

    Politics and other things I'm not privy to moved the burial site away, but if Oklahoma is having earthquake warnings, not sure what to say actually.

    1. Re:So where do we bury it.... by Z00L00K · · Score: 2

      A basalt range means that the area has seen volcanoes. Basalt usually cracks into hexagonal prisms when it cools which in turn makes the ground "leaking".

      And volcanoes means potential earthquakes.

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    2. Re:So where do we bury it.... by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      This area was tested for nuclear waste disposal, Yucca Mountain won out.

      Are you referring to the Oak Ridge complex? ISTR that that was only being considered as a nuclear waste storage/ disposal site because it already had a lot of material on site. And it's in Tennessee, several hundred miles away from the area under discussion.

      This area is a basalt range, and no problem for future earthquakes (claimed), yes we have Mt.s St. Helen but that's the edge of two plates.

      I don't know much about the geology of America, not being an American and having no intention of going to America to work as a geologist (I have worked as a geologist on 3 other continents though, as well as in Canada). But my first glance at the landscape around ORNL, Tennessee linked to above makes me think "not a flood basalt region". This link to the Oklahoma geological survey is a bit slow ... try this one ... but tells me that Oklahoma isn't a flood basalt province either (that's not ruled out by Oklahoma being popular for hydraulic fracturing enhanced oil and gas production (popularly "fracking", but being in the trade I'll give it it's proper name). So, I'm guessing that you're getting confused with the Hanford site in (IIRC) Washington State. Which is half a fucking continent away, but is on a flood basalt province. And close to a number of volcanoes. Which doesn't really sound good for long term storage.

      but if Oklahoma is having earthquake warnings, not sure what to say actually

      I'm not sure what you're trying to say either. Was Oklahoma ever on a long (or short) list for nuclear waste disposal? Not being an American, I don't know. However, since it's a fairly large place, then an increased probability of moderate earthquakes in the near future doesn't necessarily preclude there being parts of Oklahoma which may remain suitable for (nuclear) waste storage/ disposal. Then again, as a geologist and scientist, living in one of the two most radioactive cities in my country, I have a rather more robust (and frankly, realistic) attitude to radiation than the hysteria which the popular press treat the topic with.

      You know, I really ought to get my Geiger counter working again. But it's not something that I consider particularly important.

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    3. Re:So where do we bury it.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Geiger counters are fun. You scare the crap out of people by walking around with one set to a very sensitive scale with the speaker on full. Extra points for a Tyvek painting suit that you picked up at the hardware store.

    4. Re:So where do we bury it.... by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      So now they have Tornados and Earthquakes?

      Definitely not moving there.

    5. Re:So where do we bury it.... by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

      Washington State, the proposed waste site was called Gable mountain, while it was shutdown over night - I found out why with this reply "These sensors recorded recent movement in the supposedly sable basalt. One fault had been generated by an earthquake estimated at 5.5 on the Richter scale that had occurred within the last 2000 years. To geologists with nuclear disposal on their minds, that was far too recent, and the Gable Mountain project was abandoned. "
      http://www.northcolumbiamonthl...

      Not Oak Ridge this area puts it to shame "The most contaminated nuclear waste site in America" http://digitaljournal.com/news... and everybody lives down stream...

      Washington state is on the edge of a plate, https://www.windows2universe.o... while Oklahoma is in the center and should be fairly stable, I had thought till I read your PDF.

      I can't say every, but almost all of the (U.S.) nuclear reactors store their spent fuel on site. With the closer of Yucca Mountain there is no place is available or planned for nuclear waste. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y... you can see the problem developing.

    6. Re:So where do we bury it.... by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

      Geiger counters are fun. You scare the crap out of people by walking around with one set to a very sensitive scale with the speaker on full.

      Coleman lantern mantles will set that puppy off big time http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p...

      The story was someone couldn't make it past a radiation monitor (and no reason why). Questioning them it was found they had been camping that weekend and changed out a mantle.

      Now the mantles are used as sources, or show the public common things that are radioactive http://www.straightdope.com/co...

    7. Re:So where do we bury it.... by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      lantern mantles

      It's the thorium as a contaminant in the cerium oxide of the mantle.

      We should be able to do that with the granite walls round here (when I'm at home ; I'm about 7000km away at work now.)

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    8. Re:So where do we bury it.... by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      Yeah, the US has a fine population of ostriches growing there. Britain is no better.

      My proposition (for 25 years now, since I was trying to get work on a nuclear site and thought about these things), is that since the difficult thing is ensuring long-term maintenance of the store, then the logical place to put is is directly beneath the government's main building. So that if the politicians cut the maintenance budget too much, they're the first to die.

      It works for London - the London Clay is an adequately good potential repository. I don't know how well it would work for Washington D.C. ; maybe you'd have to move it. Considering how many complaints one hears about the climate and the murder rate there, is moving capitals (or more precisely, moving government seats) that horrible a prospect? Find a half-way decent waste site in the middle of the country ; build the repository ; park the politicians on top of it. Job. Done.

      (No, I don't care if politicians die because of this. As Voltaire once said, "dans ce pays-ci il est bon de tuer de temps en temps un amiral pour encourager les autres." ("in this country it is found requisite, now and then, to put an admiral to death, in order to encourage the others to fight." Candide, Ch.23))

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  6. Gods punishment by cleveralias · · Score: 0

    for botching that execution ;->

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  7. So..just how safe is fracking if by Grey+Geezer · · Score: 1

    these wells pump poisons into a geological formation that is moving around? Isn't it at least possible that these poisons can move along these "rock cracks", and, eventually get into our aquifers?

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    1. Re:So..just how safe is fracking if by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the fractured rock itself doesn't get crap into aquifers. What can cause water table pollution is a bad casing job (they pour pressurized cement on the outside of the borehole to seal the entire string - it's complicated and can fail - if it fails, crap can leak - anywhere).

  8. Abiogenic oil by mdsolar · · Score: 1

    This would be a test of abiogenic oil hypothesis. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A...

  9. related to the 3/30 earthquake watch for... by night_flyer · · Score: 1

    Urgent Earthquake Watch â" Yellowstone , Southern California, New Madrid, East Coast, PNW

    http://dutchsinse.tatoott1009....

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  10. How Amusing by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    When I read the originally released "list of fracking chemicals" I concluded that "fracking fluid" was a code word for "refinery waste". I see, sadly, that I was correct.

    Out here in California you can get cited as if you'd spilled transmission fluid for a vegetable oil spill in your home biodiesel facility. And meanwhile, states are pumping refinery byproducts into the ground deliberately and getting paid for it.

    It's all gone mad.

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  11. Washington DC monuments entirely surrounded by mdsolar · · Score: 1

    The US capitol is very prone to earthquake damage. And it turns out that is is surrounded by shale formations where fracking is or could occur. The Marcellus Shale formation to the North and now "The Taylorsville basin runs through some of Virginia and across the Potomac River to cover much of Charles County, some of Prince George’s and up to Annapolis. That basin was assessed and found to contain an estimated 1,064 billion cubic feet of natural gas" to the South surround it. http://www.washingtonpost.com/... The last earthquake did serious damage. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2....

  12. Then explain this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This graph from the article shows an exponential growth in small earthquakes in the past few years. How else do you go from under 10/year to 150/year, in the span of a decade?

    1. Re:Then explain this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, cute... a picture

    2. Re:Then explain this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Earthquake swarms? Sudden increases in the number of earthquakes in a small region happen quite a lot, going from a few, to sometimes as high as a thousand in a year or more for a couple years. Some regions have had swarms multiple times in recorded history, others don't. They are kind of life aftershock/foreshock earth quakes, but missing the main large quake. Even if these are caused by drilling effects, there are such phenomenon in other areas without drilling.

    3. Re:Then explain this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      exponential growth

      Actually looks pretty damn linear except the dip and the latest partial year...

  13. Perfection Location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Was the Perfection Valley in Oklahoma, by any change?

    1. Re:Perfection Location by thunderclap · · Score: 1

      we its can't be perfect without an earthquake now can it?

  14. Tornadoes, fundy xtians, and Tom Coburn. by sizzzzlerz · · Score: 1

    And now earthquakes. OK just can't catch a break.

    1. Re:Tornadoes, fundy xtians, and Tom Coburn. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And now earthquakes. OK just can't catch a break.

      Good news! Tom Coburn is quitting!
      http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/01/16/tom-coburn-announces-plans-to-retire/

    2. Re:Tornadoes, fundy xtians, and Tom Coburn. by AioKits · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, we're prepared. Since we took a huge dump on our roads/highways funding, the potholes are now large enough that if you see a tornado that you should swerve your car into one and it should just pass you right by.

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    3. Re:Tornadoes, fundy xtians, and Tom Coburn. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I modded you as troll since you add nothing to the conversation and insult my state and leaders. I will never see your reply. Try to be less of a random internet slinger next time.

  15. uhh, bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm a card carrying NRA member, republican, and in general a dittohead, but cut the shit. Fracking most certainly allows latent stress in rock formations to relax, which is what we call an "earthquake". If it were a big deal, insurance wouldn't let us frack in SoCal. However, it's really clear that putting microfractures into the rock will let it move.
    Similarly, wastewater injection is also going to do something similar by lubricating the rock along existing microfractures. This isn't a bad thing, long-term, as the stress is released and the bedrock ends up more seismically stable in the long run.

  16. Re:impending Yellowstone Supervolcano Eruption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is just the beginning of the Yellowstone Supervolcano eruption. The Obama administration knows about it and refuses to tell the people the truth. The death toll from this will be over half the population of the US and will be devistating the world over. This is truely the apocalypse!

  17. Fracking!!! by koan · · Score: 1

    That is all.

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    1. Re:Fracking!!! by DrStoooopid · · Score: 1

      ...and no it's not fracking. The faults already existed, the only thing that fracking may have done is lubricate those faults, they still would've happened eventually.

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    2. Re:Fracking!!! by koan · · Score: 2

      So pretty much fracking.

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    3. Re:Fracking!!! by DrStoooopid · · Score: 1

      as I said, a contributor, but no...not the cause.

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    4. Re:Fracking!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "No officer, I didn't shoot that man. Well, I did pull the trigger, but that bullet had a lot of potential energy that would have been released somehow eventually."

    5. Re:Fracking!!! by koan · · Score: 2
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    6. Re:Fracking!!! by Ultracrepidarian · · Score: 1

      Although I'm not a fan of fracking, it's entirely possible this is preventing more devastating quakes by relieving stress in these faults in smaller increments.

    7. Re:Fracking!!! by DrStoooopid · · Score: 0

      lol nice use of liberal nature-nazi slanted literature, there Champ.

      I actually live here, I think I know just a little more about it than you.

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    8. Re:Fracking!!! by Joe+U · · Score: 2

      Only a complete idiot ignores independent scientists.

      I actually live here, I think I know that oil companies pretty much owns the state government.

    9. Re: Fracking!!! by DrStoooopid · · Score: 0

      NPR and Mother Jones are hardly independent scientists.

      Especially when I can walk two doors down and get it from a world renowned geological hydrology PhD. Pretty sure he'd laugh at those references.

      Only a complete idiot posts links as their entire argument, rather than leverage those links to support their argument. Posting links like a Compton drive-by only illustrates a complete non-understanding of the material.

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  18. *yawn*.... by DrStoooopid · · Score: 0

    ...people forget we deal with tornadoes every year, and earthquake is a walk in the park.

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    1. Re:*yawn*.... by sizzzzlerz · · Score: 1

      Yawn, indeed. Earthquakes can devastate an area much larger that a typical tornado. Especially in places where they've never implemented building codes intended to mitigate earthquakes. Here in CA, all new buildings are required to meet certain codes, many of the bridges have been refitted to be more seismic proof, and certain existing buildings, primarily schools and hospitals have either undergone extensive retrofitting or have been closed.

      Perhaps building codes intended to protect against tornadoes will work, in some measure, against earthquakes, assuming OK has them, but I'd still expect rather significant destruction in even a moderate size earthquake.

    2. Re:*yawn*.... by DrStoooopid · · Score: 0

      again....*yawn*...

      I give two shits about California. I was in San Francisco for the last big one, it's nothing compared to the Moore tornadoes...(notice that was plural.).

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    3. Re:*yawn*.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps building codes intended to protect against tornadoes will work, in some measure, against earthquakes, assuming OK has them, but I'd still expect rather significant destruction in even a moderate size earthquake.

      lol. There are no home building codes for tornado protection. We have tornado/storm shelters (underground) we go to. If a tornado hits you directly the house is sacrificial. Funny enough the last earthquake strong enough to feel here (OK) scared my wife because she thought it was a tornado coming. I don't worry much about tornadoes and earthquakes even less. The odds just don't warrant it ( I don't live in Moore.)

      One possible exception to the "building codes" thing: There are some new "safe rooms" that they say will survive an EF5, basically steel plates for walls/ceiling bolted to the floor but I'd rather be underground.

    4. Re:*yawn*.... by sizzzzlerz · · Score: 1

      And I give even less to OK but you've completely missed the point.

    5. Re:*yawn*.... by DrStoooopid · · Score: 0

      I didn't miss the point, your point has no bearing because we don't live in a densely populated cesspool. Your projecting your surroundings on this area, and they simply have no context.

      The only point I got is that you're an overbearing ass that thinks he knows it all and you exercise every opportunity to make yourself feel superior to others. Did I miss anything?

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    6. Re:*yawn*.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since you said you don't care about CA when the comment was talking about lack of such codes in OK, you obviously missed the point. It doesn't matter if you live in a less densely populated area. That might lower the chances of everyone getting hit by a tornado at the same time, even the 2 mile wide ones, but everyone in broad area would be within the hazard area of a strong earthquake. Other places have shown, that even in modern times, places without buildings designed for earthquakes can a pretty low threshold for a quake that will cause damage and deaths. It isn't reasonable to build every place to such codes, but some places will be unfortunate to deal with the unexpected or infrequent mess.

    7. Re:*yawn*.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't miss the point, your point has no bearing because we don't live in a densely populated cesspool.

      \
      The people in OKC do. I've been there, seen it.

  19. Re:impending Yellowstone Supervolcano Eruption by aicrules · · Score: 1

    Well that sucks....

  20. Stop Plate Tectonics! by wcrowe · · Score: 0

    More earthquakes in Oklahoma. Thanks Obama!

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  21. CA Outsources everything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Even earthquakes.

  22. Sounds familiar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fracking and marijuana have a lot in common; fracking advocates claim it's safe when all geological surveys say it isn't, marijuana advocates say it's safe when all peer reviewed science says it isn't.

    But there's so much money involved in both that we're being inundated with fracking and drugs regardless of how bad it is for us. Gotta make that profit, at any cost to the people.

  23. GOD. IS. PISSED. by Iniamyen · · Score: 1

    GOD. IS. PISSED.

  24. It's God's punishment... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... for the oklahomans' wicked christian lifestyle.

  25. Not Fracking. Disposal. by Joe+U · · Score: 1

    ...and no it's not fracking. The faults already existed, the only thing that fracking may have done is lubricate those faults, they still would've happened eventually.

    Unaided those earthquakes would have happened anyway, on the normal geologic timescale of some time in the next thousand years.

    But I agree with you, it's not fracking, it's wastewater disposal. We've known since the 50's that you don't pump water into areas that are not stable. What's going to happen is the state is going to do very little until there's an earthquake that does major damage. Then the Feds are going to get involved and things will finally get done.

    Also, at some point, some random idiot with a following will blame the gays, Jews, Muslims, communists, blacks, or generic sinners for this. The only group that will not be blamed will be the people who pumped water at high speeds into an unstable area.

    1. Re:Not Fracking. Disposal. by DrStoooopid · · Score: 0

      ...ah but we don't KNOW that it would've been in one thousand years, two thousand, or next week. ...something else that folks don't realize is that this area is also very diverse in its geology, from solid sandstone sheets to surface granite, it's quite interesting really. ...but to answer you final statement, they'll still find a way to pin it on Bush.

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    2. Re:Not Fracking. Disposal. by Joe+U · · Score: 1

      How about we blame Fallin? She's the one person who could actually suspend pumping until actual geologists that are not being paid by Chesapeake & friends figure out a solution.

      I find it humorous that it's doing more damage in the expensive housing near Edmond that most of the execs live in.

    3. Re: Not Fracking. Disposal. by DrStoooopid · · Score: 0

      Or place blame where blame is due...like overly restrictive regulations that forced hydraulic fracturing on existing wells instead of being able to drill new ones...thanks EPA.

      Fallin is hardly to blame...its one big shell-game by the corporations and by the time it reaches the gov's desk its already an institution.

      I say let em keep going, I like earthquakes.

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    4. Re: Not Fracking. Disposal. by Joe+U · · Score: 1

      Overly restrictive, like, 'Please, don't poison the local aquifer', or 'Can you avoid killing most of the wildlife in the area', and 'Even though they are poor, doesn't mean you can ruin their homes'.

      Some regulations are needed, others are not, that's what debate and compromise is supposed to be for.

      To say that the 'little to no regulation environment' wanted by energy companies is foolish would be insulting to fools.

    5. Re: Not Fracking. Disposal. by DrStoooopid · · Score: 1

      Now you're just arguing to hear yourself argue. Nobody said ANYTHING about wanton poisoning of people's homes, leap to wrong conclusions much?

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  26. Oh my by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jesus! I bet it's going to be like a F10 Fu-Richta scale.

  27. Frackin A. by Joe+U · · Score: 1

    First off, NPR edited and reported on what the USGS published. That's called news, NPR is not the source, the USGS is. If your world renowned PhD is laughing at the USGS, I think he needs to publish a paper explaining why.

    Second, this is Slashdot, not a peer reviewed scientific journal. Posting links is fine as long as they are backed by real research. Again, I think the USGS is, by far, the best source for this. That's what they do, their agenda is to answer questions, not to make money for the local energy concern.

    Given the gas and oil industry's scientific reputation, anything they publish should be suspect. (Remember how safe leaded gas was?)

    1. Re:Frackin A. by DrStoooopid · · Score: 1

      Actually, he is published, and rather extensively. (USGS often calls him. Just to put that in perspective).

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    2. Re:Frackin A. by Joe+U · · Score: 1

      They often call the pizza delivery guy too, context would be nice.

  28. But they did have another big one. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A 7.9 aftershock isn't as headline grabbing as a 9.0, but you go experience a 7.9 and tell me that isn't big.

    You tell people in Haiti that 7.0 wasn't big.

  29. RNot So!e:More Fracking' Earthquakes by Anna+Merikin · · Score: 1

    According to the late (I presume) Dean of Astrology at Oxford Univrsity (UK), Margaret Hone, no gravitational or magnetic waves are involved. An undiscovered astrological wave is the cause, according to her textbook.

    Yes, I am serious. Her textbook was published in 1955 IIRC. (I have it somewhere, but am too lazy to look for it.)

    1. Re:RNot So!e:More Fracking' Earthquakes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She wrote the book in the 50s and it was used by the Faculty of Astrological Studies cofounded by her in the 40s. I don't know of any connection to Oxford other than they now have a summer school thing using the facilities at Exeter, but not as a part of the university.

    2. Re:RNot So!e:More Fracking' Earthquakes by Anna+Merikin · · Score: 1

      Thank you. I am in error, For some reason I thought the book, which I have found, was published by Oxford University Press, and she is listed as "Principal Emeritus of the Faculty of Astrological Studies." Now I find the book was published not by Oxford Press but by Fowler's.

      My mistake.

  30. Just don't believe in earthquakes (FIXED) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Earthquakes are in dispute so they can't exist.

  31. N.O. Fracking by Joe+U · · Score: 1

    Especially when I can walk two doors down and get it from a world renowned geological hydrology PhD. Pretty sure he'd laugh at those references.

    After he's finished laughing at the source, is that when he explains to you that the conclusions are all correct?

  32. You do know we can search the USGS archive? by Joe+U · · Score: 1

    You realize that oil drilling only goes about 2.2 km deep, while most earth quakes are ten km deep?

    1 in the past 30 days has been 10 km or more deep. The vast majority are between 2 and 5.

  33. *sigh*... by DrStoooopid · · Score: 1

    ...I wouldn't have said anything to begin with if the original premise was correct. But if you want to believe everything your government tells you, be my guest.

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  34. Keep lubricating those fault lines! by cyn1c77 · · Score: 1

    Why treat the waste when you can just bury it?

    Nothing could go wrong when pumping large amounts of solvents into the ground at high pressure!

    We should dump our nuclear waste in the same way! It'll be great!

    Wait a second...

  35. we pay twice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you seem well informed. so, is it true they operate at near zero sum in terms of energy and value produced versus consumed and cost getting it. or negative sum in some cases once the oil tails off, made up for by some subsidy or taxpayer writeoff of development? genuine question.

    if that's the case it's a terrible business model for the consumer never mind the mini quake aspect.

  36. I may have mentioned this before but... by Joe+U · · Score: 1

    Only a complete idiot ignores independent scientists.

    1. Re:I may have mentioned this before but... by DrStoooopid · · Score: 1

      Only a complete idiot thinks every independent scientist is correct.

      (how's that global warming working out for ya?)

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    2. Re:I may have mentioned this before but... by Joe+U · · Score: 1

      (how's that global warming working out for ya?)

      Unfortunately, it is working out exactly as most people thought it would. Summers are getting hotter, storms more violent and weather patterns more unpredictable.

      But don't worry, someone will mention that it was cold in the US this past winter, so it's all good, you know, ignoring the global part.