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Skepticism Grows Over Claims That MH370 Lies In the Bay of Bengal

Sockatume (732728) writes "The latest episode of the Australian Broadcasting Corporation's Mediawatch program addresses GeoResonance's claims to have found the lost Malasia Airlines MH370 in the Bay of Bengal. They attribute the company's sudden prominence to increasing desperation amongst the press. Meanwhile, the Metabunk web site has been digging into the people and technology behind GeoResonance and its international siblings, finding noted pseudoscientist Vitaly Gokh and a dubious variation on Kirlian photography."

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  1. Where's Waldo? by p51d007 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The poor families of those that were on this airplane. If it wasn't for that aspect, the media "coverage" of this would be a huge joke.

    1. Re:Where's Waldo? by jerpyro · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yeah I don't really understand what the big deal is. I realize that there are a lot of families that may be suffering but because they were on an airplane it is somehow more newsworthy than a cruise ship with 10 times as many people, or genocide in Malaysia or doctors being killed giving polio vaccines in Afghanistan? Oh it's an airplane, let's tap into the 9/11 terrorist fear mongering so that we can get ratings!

      *sigh*

    2. Re:Where's Waldo? by Ceriel+Nosforit · · Score: 4, Informative

      According to the Australians I talk to, all of Australian politics is a bad joke right now.

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    3. Re:Where's Waldo? by DrXym · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The big deal is it's a story which lends itself perfectly to endless speculation. CNN can waste hours of its news cycle wheeling out pundits to explain how aircraft work, how transponders work, how accidents happen, how terrorists hijack planes, how the planes crash, how planes are found, how blackboxes work, how debris fields spread etc. In the absence of hard information, they and their guests can prattle on for days or weeks like this.

    4. Re:Where's Waldo? by jerpyro · · Score: 2

      I disagree that it's newsworthy. It has nothing to do with being a sheep -- turn your energy to the education, disease (due to anti-vaxxers) or net neutrality issues we're having domestically. We have such larger problems to fix that a missing airplane halfway across the world shouldn't even register on the scale. But it's a convenient distraction from our own problems so it's good 'infotainment'.

      If you think I'm a sheep because I don't give a shit about an electrical fire in an airplane, you're amazingly misguided.

    5. Re:Where's Waldo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Airplanes don't disappear into thin air either. They sink just like ships, first they sink through the air, then they sink through the water...

    6. Re:Where's Waldo? by Will.Woodhull · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The missing plane story IS newsworthy.

      I don't watch CNN so I have no idea how sensationalized their coverage has been. HOWEVER any time you have several nations devoting so much of their resources in a joint effort that was cobbled together as rapidly as their response has been, that IS a major story. CNN was definitely doing the right thing in getting on this, and in following it.

      That said, so far they may have missed much of the significance of what was happening. When elements of the USA armed forces and the Chinese armed forces act jointly under the direction of Australia, yes, there are definitely stories there. It might be that CNN missed the boat on where the focus should be. Or it might be that they have been preparing documentary coverage behind the scenes, while using the day to day "infotainment" coverage to pay the enormous daily costs of developing the larger, more noteworthy, stories.

      I expect that in the upcoming months we will see a documentary or two describing how a multinational search effort was thrown together on a moment's notice. I think there must have been some fancy dancing going on between Generals and Admirals of different nations, and CNN has-- probably deliberately-- positioned its news-gathering assets where they can document the events as they were happening.

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  2. People actually believed them? by Megane · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seriously, how can "skepticism grow" about something that had almost no basis for belief in the first place? It's more like "miniscule belief evaporates".

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  3. Put up a Deposit by RichMan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If the company is so sure they can put up a refundable deposit on the cost of exploring their location. If they are right then they get the deposit back. If they are not right no deposit refund.

    The deposit should cover the cost of putting one unmanned vehicle down on that location.

    Would any of the governments be willing to back that compromise?

  4. Re:Where's journalism? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem is 24 hour news stations. It would take a global army of non-lazy old-school journalists to get enough fresh content for a 24 hour news station (costing tens of millions of dollars in salaries alone - coming straight out of some exec's megayacht fund!), and then a lot of people wouldn't care about news of what's happening in some place that has no relevance to their lives so it wouldn't pay off.

    So news stations are always hungry for generic filler content (human interest stories, or intense discussion over inconsequential BS such as almost everything on MH370), and when they're not, they spend their time trying to whip up interest over something people don't currently care about one iota - the Blackfish movie is a perfect example. Funded by and premiered on CNN. They throw these things at the wall often but most don't stick, and amount to nothing but more filler content, which is OK for them.

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  5. Can you blaim them? by Charliemopps · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can you blame people for seeking alternative answers? Keep in mind, the agencies discrediting this company were the same agencies that didn't think it necessary to put a simple satellite GPS transponder on jets to keep track of where their quarter of a billion dollar plane is or put about $100 worth of batteries in their blackbox so it would ping for more than a few weeks. This entire mystery wouldn't exist if they'd spent an extra $1000 on a $261 million dollar piece of equipment. It's hard to discredit an idiot when you yourself are an idiot.

    1. Re:Can you blaim them? by jythie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There is a difference between scammers shilling impossible technology and big companies that are too cheap, short sighted, or lazy to install additional equipment for rare situations. One is a lier, the other is playing the odds and just happened to loose this time.

    2. Re:Can you blaim them? by jittles · · Score: 2

      Can you blame people for seeking alternative answers? Keep in mind, the agencies discrediting this company were the same agencies that didn't think it necessary to put a simple satellite GPS transponder on jets to keep track of where their quarter of a billion dollar plane is or put about $100 worth of batteries in their blackbox so it would ping for more than a few weeks. This entire mystery wouldn't exist if they'd spent an extra $1000 on a $261 million dollar piece of equipment. It's hard to discredit an idiot when you yourself are an idiot.

      Extra batteries would increase the size and weight of the blackbox. The design costs, testing costs, and fuel costs of transporting a larger box would likely far exceed $1000 for every plane produced. I'm not saying you're being unreasonable, just that you are underestimating the costs involved. The 777 had all of the equipment it needed to report its location to a satellite on a regular basis. Older planes may not have all that equipment, however.

  6. Re:Hey People! by drainbramage · · Score: 5, Funny

    Do you know why Waldo wears stripes?
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    He doesn't want to be spotted.

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  7. Scam ! Definitely a HOAX like oil sniffer : by advid.net · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've already posted that before, but anyway, I'll tell it again:

    A search on their patent refs leads nowhere except to their site.

    This remind me the Great Oil Sniffer Hoax

    Besides, if they were able to do what they claim, they would better look for gold in sunken ships and tell no one.
    Their imaginary references are as old as 2003 with a site born in 2014... really ?

    Face it: this is a hoax, at best, and more likely a scam.

  8. Re:Where's journalism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    But the plane wasn't filler-- it dominated their 24-hour network for months. They sold it as a thriller mystery. It pushed out all kinds of real news-- the invasion in Ukraine, for example.

    The plane episode to me really was the symbolic death rattle for mainstream American news media, a clear message that it is completely dead. We deserve much better-- as the last superpower (at least for another few years) it should be the citizen's duty to stay well-informed, but we're so ill-served by the mass media and have accepted/embraced this cartoonish excuse for news-- it's setting the stage for serious and dramatic systemic problems in our democracy.

    I remember the shock right after 9/11 when we heard how those "backwards" middle eastern countries like Saudi Arabia believed the attack was perpetrated by the Israelis. And everyone in the US was laughing at how uninformed and ignorant those fools were, but of course they're ruled by dictatorships and have no free media, not like us.

    Then like 3 years later a huge majority of Americans thought 9/11 was Iraq's doing. So who are the fools?

    This plane thing is an insult and an attack on the very notion of an informed public. The fact that CNN's ratings exploded is as much an indictment of the public itself-- if we wanted something close to actual news enough to watch it, they'd give it to us... So for me, this plane is the symbolic end of a free press in America in any kind of corporate, institutional form. Maybe it died a long time ago, but for me, this travesty really sealed CNN's reputation as just not giving any kind of fuck in the most apparent and sad way.

  9. Skepticism grows? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Given that I dismissed the original claim because it was so obviously bogus and a complete waste of effort to investigate any further, I don't see how anything has changed.

    More like "skepticism grows in the amazingly gullible mass media that originally gave this silly report any attention".

  10. Re:Where's journalism? by interkin3tic · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That doesn't really explain CNN's obsession with mh370 though: CNN's nonstop coverage of "A plane is missing" has been going on for months. In that time, Ebola has broken out, some celebrity somewhere has undoubtedly died, and Russia invaded Ukraine. Yet CNN KEEPS coming back to "BREAKING FUCKING NEWS, HOLD ON TO YOUR SEAT: THE PLANE!!! IT'S STILL MISSING!!!" It's clearly not about filler. Ebola would have made a much sexier story. Since it's all pundits, they wouldn't need to change anything, just ask the people in front of the camera to speculate on whether we're all going to die of Ebola rather than where they think the plane crashed.

    At this point, I think CNN is staying with the flight because they think anyone still watching CNN is actually hooked on the dizzying highs that come along with watching yet another computer generated line over the indian ocean while some self-proclaimed expert on airplanes guesses about what was going on when the plane hit the water. Meanwhile people who actually want to know the news have switched over to the internet. It's the same approach other specialized cable channels are taking: The Learning Channel has realized that anyone who wants to learn anything tuned out long ago, but they can cling to some viewers with stupid shows like Honey Boo Boo. Not just filling time: addictive to some moron with eyeballs.

  11. Skepticism "Grows" Over georesonnace Claims ? by aepervius · · Score: 2

    Skepticism was all high from those which took the extra step of *checking* what georesonnance pretended to be doing. We aren't speaking of P3C flying over the bengal bay and detecting something, we are speaking of a company pretending that magnetic field (as small as needing a P3C boom M.A.D. to be detected in normal usage) left enough trace on a photo to detect something (or heck a negative) that was BS from the start.

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  12. Re:Where's journalism? by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 2

    I was with you until your Blackfish comment. That IMO is *exactly* what CNN should be focusing on. If I want breaking news nowadays I'm not getting it from CNN scroller. TV news networks have the ability to take on long form documentaries that can go indepth and be visual and appealing. Blackfish and Pandora's Promise were fantastic and a hell of a lot of people cared about the former.

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  13. Re:Add up the facts and let Occum's razor decide by bobbied · · Score: 3, Informative

    Interesting theory, but Occum's razor says (and I paraphrase) "The simple answer is preferred until the more complex one is proven."

    An in flight fire in the forward avionics bay makes a lot less assumptions than your theory.

    IMHO, the most likely, less complex scenario is as follows...

    1. In flight fire, forward avionics bay (under the pilot's seats), Forward galley, forward cargo bay, started for some reason (tire fire, electrical fault, etc) Such events are not unheard of.

    2. Emergency procedures are "Fly the plane, Navigate, Communicate" (in that order). So the pilots did the following tasks, in this order:

    a. Pull all the breakers they could in hopes of stopping the fire, disabling the radios and transponder.

    b. Turn towards the nearest suitable landing location by punching in two way-points in to the flight director.

    c. Gain altitude if the fire is not going out, to try and starve it of O2.

    3. At this point, I assume they lost control of the cabin altitude or where driven from their seats by smoke/flames or where disabled by fumes. There is only about 20 min of supplemental O2 for passengers, slightly more for crew. Everybody was unconscious in about half an hour and dead within two if the cabin altitude went too high, or everybody died from smoke inhalation as the fire/smoke spread.

    4. The plane files on the flight director's last instructions, passes though/over the two way-points then just flies on unguided until the fuel was exhausted,

    5. When the engines stop, the plane descends into the water and sinks relatively in tact.

    This is simple, straight forward, and matches what we know. The only assumption being made is the in flight fire and the damage it caused leading to the disabling of the passengers/crew. Everything else is either standard procedure, or based on how the aircraft's systems function.

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  14. Re:Economics by bruce_the_loon · · Score: 2

    There was an article a couple of weeks back around the time the pings were supposedly detected where the Malaysian government wanted to start the process of declaring the passengers dead so the compensation process could start and the families threw their toys out of the cot.

    The decision to declare the passengers dead is independent of finding the wreckage and can be done without proof of death, although having the passengers show up alive later can be embarrassing and difficult to correct. There is an agreed upon seven year maximum waiting window, but that can be shortened.

    Wreckage or not, compensation will be paid.

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