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Skepticism Grows Over Claims That MH370 Lies In the Bay of Bengal
Sockatume (732728) writes "The latest episode of the Australian Broadcasting Corporation's Mediawatch program addresses GeoResonance's claims to have found the lost Malasia Airlines MH370 in the Bay of Bengal. They attribute the company's sudden prominence to increasing desperation amongst the press. Meanwhile, the Metabunk web site has been digging into the people and technology behind GeoResonance and its international siblings, finding noted pseudoscientist Vitaly Gokh and a dubious variation on Kirlian photography."
The poor families of those that were on this airplane. If it wasn't for that aspect, the media "coverage" of this would be a huge joke.
Tell me when they find an actual piece of the aircraft. Until then, shut the fuck up.
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Got Geometrodynamics? Awe, too hard to figure out? Too bad.
The deal is that CNN has become a massive piece of shit. I have no idea either why this plane has translated to huge ratings, but it's a sad state of affairs when the news, which is supposed to tell the public what it needs to know, instead tells it what it WANTS to know-- which is apparently pandering, sensationalist, exploitative bullshit.
Bread and circuses. Watching these people who went to journalism school cover the missing plane, you can see their souls dying and the spark of integrity extinguished from their eyes.
The line differentiating magazine tabloids and CNN has blurred so badly in the last oh, 2 years (coinciding with this waste of space, btw), and CNN has completely trashed its brand, but does news have to be this slimy and gross to survive?
Seriously, how can "skepticism grow" about something that had almost no basis for belief in the first place? It's more like "miniscule belief evaporates".
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If the company is so sure they can put up a refundable deposit on the cost of exploring their location. If they are right then they get the deposit back. If they are not right no deposit refund.
The deposit should cover the cost of putting one unmanned vehicle down on that location.
Would any of the governments be willing to back that compromise?
The problem is 24 hour news stations. It would take a global army of non-lazy old-school journalists to get enough fresh content for a 24 hour news station (costing tens of millions of dollars in salaries alone - coming straight out of some exec's megayacht fund!), and then a lot of people wouldn't care about news of what's happening in some place that has no relevance to their lives so it wouldn't pay off.
So news stations are always hungry for generic filler content (human interest stories, or intense discussion over inconsequential BS such as almost everything on MH370), and when they're not, they spend their time trying to whip up interest over something people don't currently care about one iota - the Blackfish movie is a perfect example. Funded by and premiered on CNN. They throw these things at the wall often but most don't stick, and amount to nothing but more filler content, which is OK for them.
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Can you blame people for seeking alternative answers? Keep in mind, the agencies discrediting this company were the same agencies that didn't think it necessary to put a simple satellite GPS transponder on jets to keep track of where their quarter of a billion dollar plane is or put about $100 worth of batteries in their blackbox so it would ping for more than a few weeks. This entire mystery wouldn't exist if they'd spent an extra $1000 on a $261 million dollar piece of equipment. It's hard to discredit an idiot when you yourself are an idiot.
I've already posted that before, but anyway, I'll tell it again:
A search on their patent refs leads nowhere except to their site.
This remind me the Great Oil Sniffer Hoax
Besides, if they were able to do what they claim, they would better look for gold in sunken ships and tell no one.
Their imaginary references are as old as 2003 with a site born in 2014... really ?
Face it: this is a hoax, at best, and more likely a scam.
I found it odd that the plane's axis was on a perfect north / south line. To me it looks exactly like there is a few "pixel" (or whatever the individual data points are) anomaly in a vertical line, probably from whatever sensing instrument generated the raw data. It reminds me of the type of wildly divergent data points you see when a gamma ray hits a sensor type thing. Then all the various "shapes" they produce from the data that supposedly represent the different types of metal, etc, are merely the results their algorithms spit out when given the anomalous data point. The real question is how much actual data there is, and how much of it is being extrapolated by what probably amounts to not much more than image processing type filters.
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But the plane wasn't filler-- it dominated their 24-hour network for months. They sold it as a thriller mystery. It pushed out all kinds of real news-- the invasion in Ukraine, for example.
The plane episode to me really was the symbolic death rattle for mainstream American news media, a clear message that it is completely dead. We deserve much better-- as the last superpower (at least for another few years) it should be the citizen's duty to stay well-informed, but we're so ill-served by the mass media and have accepted/embraced this cartoonish excuse for news-- it's setting the stage for serious and dramatic systemic problems in our democracy.
I remember the shock right after 9/11 when we heard how those "backwards" middle eastern countries like Saudi Arabia believed the attack was perpetrated by the Israelis. And everyone in the US was laughing at how uninformed and ignorant those fools were, but of course they're ruled by dictatorships and have no free media, not like us.
Then like 3 years later a huge majority of Americans thought 9/11 was Iraq's doing. So who are the fools?
This plane thing is an insult and an attack on the very notion of an informed public. The fact that CNN's ratings exploded is as much an indictment of the public itself-- if we wanted something close to actual news enough to watch it, they'd give it to us... So for me, this plane is the symbolic end of a free press in America in any kind of corporate, institutional form. Maybe it died a long time ago, but for me, this travesty really sealed CNN's reputation as just not giving any kind of fuck in the most apparent and sad way.
Given that I dismissed the original claim because it was so obviously bogus and a complete waste of effort to investigate any further, I don't see how anything has changed.
More like "skepticism grows in the amazingly gullible mass media that originally gave this silly report any attention".
you keep blaming your american news services of reporting crap,so stop using them,do what others do,look else where and try to get news from as many different sources as possible,most folk can afford internet access
The problem is 24 hour news stations. It would take a global army of non-lazy old-school journalists to get enough fresh content for a 24 hour news station (costing tens of millions of dollars in salaries alone - coming straight out of some exec's megayacht fund!), and then a lot of people wouldn't care about news of what's happening in some place that has no relevance to their lives so it wouldn't pay off.
So news stations are always hungry for generic filler content (human interest stories, or intense discussion over inconsequential BS such as almost everything on MH370), and when they're not, they spend their time trying to whip up interest over something people don't currently care about one iota - the Blackfish movie is a perfect example. Funded by and premiered on CNN. They throw these things at the wall often but most don't stick, and amount to nothing but more filler content, which is OK for them.
Typical of the Liberal Press.
They should have been devoting all that coverage to something that people really care about: Benghazi.
That doesn't really explain CNN's obsession with mh370 though: CNN's nonstop coverage of "A plane is missing" has been going on for months. In that time, Ebola has broken out, some celebrity somewhere has undoubtedly died, and Russia invaded Ukraine. Yet CNN KEEPS coming back to "BREAKING FUCKING NEWS, HOLD ON TO YOUR SEAT: THE PLANE!!! IT'S STILL MISSING!!!" It's clearly not about filler. Ebola would have made a much sexier story. Since it's all pundits, they wouldn't need to change anything, just ask the people in front of the camera to speculate on whether we're all going to die of Ebola rather than where they think the plane crashed.
At this point, I think CNN is staying with the flight because they think anyone still watching CNN is actually hooked on the dizzying highs that come along with watching yet another computer generated line over the indian ocean while some self-proclaimed expert on airplanes guesses about what was going on when the plane hit the water. Meanwhile people who actually want to know the news have switched over to the internet. It's the same approach other specialized cable channels are taking: The Learning Channel has realized that anyone who wants to learn anything tuned out long ago, but they can cling to some viewers with stupid shows like Honey Boo Boo. Not just filling time: addictive to some moron with eyeballs.
Watch as CNN devotes a week of reporting to a company that specializes in clairvoyance and Remote Viewing to tell us where the plane went. Following that, an interview with the leader of the Raëlians to tell us exactly which aliens abducted them, as well as a special segment on lizard people.
Skepticism was all high from those which took the extra step of *checking* what georesonnance pretended to be doing. We aren't speaking of P3C flying over the bengal bay and detecting something, we are speaking of a company pretending that magnetic field (as small as needing a P3C boom M.A.D. to be detected in normal usage) left enough trace on a photo to detect something (or heck a negative) that was BS from the start.
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I was with you until your Blackfish comment. That IMO is *exactly* what CNN should be focusing on. If I want breaking news nowadays I'm not getting it from CNN scroller. TV news networks have the ability to take on long form documentaries that can go indepth and be visual and appealing. Blackfish and Pandora's Promise were fantastic and a hell of a lot of people cared about the former.
I swear to God...I swear to God! That is NOT how you treat your human!
For at least 5-10 yrs, I don't "watch" the news. I get my fix from new.google.com, slashdot, nytimes, reddit, and several other blogs.
This allows me to allocate my own time to coverage of events.
I assume that most younger people do this these days? Who even watches CNN/FOX/etc for news and not entertainment?
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Interesting theory, but Occum's razor says (and I paraphrase) "The simple answer is preferred until the more complex one is proven."
An in flight fire in the forward avionics bay makes a lot less assumptions than your theory.
IMHO, the most likely, less complex scenario is as follows...
1. In flight fire, forward avionics bay (under the pilot's seats), Forward galley, forward cargo bay, started for some reason (tire fire, electrical fault, etc) Such events are not unheard of.
2. Emergency procedures are "Fly the plane, Navigate, Communicate" (in that order). So the pilots did the following tasks, in this order:
a. Pull all the breakers they could in hopes of stopping the fire, disabling the radios and transponder.
b. Turn towards the nearest suitable landing location by punching in two way-points in to the flight director.
c. Gain altitude if the fire is not going out, to try and starve it of O2.
3. At this point, I assume they lost control of the cabin altitude or where driven from their seats by smoke/flames or where disabled by fumes. There is only about 20 min of supplemental O2 for passengers, slightly more for crew. Everybody was unconscious in about half an hour and dead within two if the cabin altitude went too high, or everybody died from smoke inhalation as the fire/smoke spread.
4. The plane files on the flight director's last instructions, passes though/over the two way-points then just flies on unguided until the fuel was exhausted,
5. When the engines stop, the plane descends into the water and sinks relatively in tact.
This is simple, straight forward, and matches what we know. The only assumption being made is the in flight fire and the damage it caused leading to the disabling of the passengers/crew. Everything else is either standard procedure, or based on how the aircraft's systems function.
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"Fact 1. There were two people on the plane headed to Europe. You don't go to Europe via China."
You certainly can, particularly if you're just looking for the cheapest fare. The travel agency in Thailand which booked the tickets said that they got a request for the cheapest tickets. Not for a specific carrier, or even a specific flight.
Just for shits and giggles, I pulled up a Kayak search, one-way, KL to Amsterdam (which is the route they were both booked on), on May 14th. Lo and behold, the second cheapest option is China Southern via Beijing or Shanghai. It's ENTIRELY possible that, for that particular day, it was the cheapest option, particularly if you're talking Asian travel agent with consolidator fare options.
PS - If you're going to rely on Occam's Razor, you should probably learn how to spell Occam.
There is ZERO evidence that the two Iranians on the plane, traveling under stolen passports, were anything but two Iranians trying to claim asylum in the EU and join family there.
A friend of mine, a former pilot, told me an interesting theory. There is no interest whatsoever in "finding" the plane, just for the reason that if not found, there are no compensations due to the family of the victims...
Perhaps reporters don't want to go on location to cover an ebola outbreak.
Second thing is, speculation and computer graphics probably cost less than actual investigative reporting.
Aside: a couple of months ago I was called to be in a jury pool and I sat in the jury room with CNN on the TV. It was absolute torture. I could try to read, or look at the floor or at the other potential jurors, but I just couldn't block out the audio. People watch that voluntarily?
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CNN hasn't had news for about 8 years now. Or at least on "headline news" there's no news and only talking heads and you had to head to main CNN site to get headlines, but even that has declined. Somebody high in CNN management seems to want to recreate a tabloid style of journalism, and believes that this missing plane story is the next OJ Trial.
The thing is, CNN made it big initially because of this format. However what they did was repeat the main news of the day continuously rather than only at 5pm and 11pm. So it was good for travellers in hotels, or if you wanted to get caught up in the news in the morning, and so forth. Even better for genuine stories that take lots of time to tell, such as breakout of war in Iraq or 9/11. But over time CNN and other stations kept trying to recreate the big story format out of stuff that wasn't a big story. Then they added the loud but unstable talk show hosts, like Nancy Grace. And today there's nothing left of it. For a while it was still almost worth the effort to turn on the TV _only_ to watch the scrolling text that had some news (enough to tell you to use the internet to get more info), but even that scrolling bar turned into fluff.
The question is, does cable news merely pander to what the average American wants from news, so that the fault lies with the viewers, or are the news outlets genuinely stupid?
Don't be silly. Most Americans don't even know who Ben Ghazi is.
I thought that once when stuck in a waiting room with Fox with the constant interspersion of editorial comments when reporting news. But then in the meantime all the cable channels have followed them down to lowest level. Now I can't think of any modern American news channel I'd want to be forced to listen to in a waiting room, they're all essentially crap.
The company hasn't released enough information for you to know it's bullshit. Scientists aren't supposed to debunk things by saying "well I've never heard of anything like that so it must be impossible." Science has a hard time advancing in a climate like that.
That said, they haven't proven any of their claims. If they had done any of the things they said they've done on their website, they would tell you who their customer was so you could look them up and ask them if it was true. Basic fact-checking like that is a requirement of true journalism. If the company refuses to provide any evidence, the journalist should report the claims as being highly suspicious and call attention to the fact that the company has been unwilling to provide evidence of their claims. Unfortunately, this kind of basic work has been replaced by reporters taking claims made by scammers like this at face value and reporting them as fact.
I havent seen Pandora's Promise, but it really sickened me that Blackfish had the headlines and the world's attention for a few weeks while there were 1 or 2 genocides going on and NK's prison camps were just getting UN attention. This has nothing to do with the merit of Blackfish as a documentary, it's that CNN thought a discussion over the ethics of whale captivity was the most newsworthy thing going on at the time.
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Who would really want a plane anyhow. Unless it's among some of the concepts like "repaint and fly into building", I think that the passengers might be more useful as hostages for ransom or some other such thing.
If any government entity finds this plane I don't think they will tell anyone else. Wherever it is is the perfect hiding place.
Latest efforts are focusing in on 2 passengers, a Doctor "Doc" Brown and his apprentice, a Mr. Martin "Marty" McFly. Rumor has it the 2 carried on enough batteries to generate 1.21 gigowatts of electricity, and that the plane slowed to a dangerous 88 miles per hour just before it went missing.
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I think that is the more likely scenario, but in that case the plane flies on its last known heading from radar and doesn't turn south.
The south turn is explained by the pilots entering 2 way-points, one that sends them towards their intended destination but not directly there, but to an approach fix to the north of their destination. The second point was designed to to send them closer to the airport on a heading similar to the runway's heading. This is standard pilot stuff that most people don't immediately think about, but you don't want to just head to the airport, you need to get yourself positioned so that you can approach the runway, headed into the wind, on a heading that is similar to the runway's at an altitude that allows you a controlled descent at a reasonable rate. This is easy for light aircraft because they don't go very fast, but it still takes planning. For large heavy aircraft it takes a lot more advance planning.
So that explains the turn to the south... But it could be simpler than that. I'm not exactly sure how the flight director in this aircraft works, but it may be that it has a heading hold option. When they departed, they left to the south on runway heading so I'd bet they had used the heading hold. Then when they get the "Cleared to fix then proceed as filed" instruction, they just call up their flight plan and hit go. When the director runs out of way-points, it might just revert to the heading hold, which would be set to the departure runway heading. I think this heading puts them squarely in the current search area NW of Perth when they run out of fuel.
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My point again. There was at least one person alive that knew how to fly the airplane that made the course corrections to avoid radar. You don't avoid radar if you are under duress of a hijacking or looking for an airport to land at because of fire. You are avoiding radar because you don't want to be found. Then again, (as the parent states and the grandparent see differently) maybe the pilot was taking the plane to Africa to sell for parts, and the two people aboard had nothing to do with it. It will still be found off the coast of Africa because it ran out of fuel.
I don't think so. The change of heading could have been planned. The south heading would be similar to both the emergency destination runway's heading and their departing runway heading. Landing large aircraft takes advanced planning and a pilot who was planning to make an emergency landing would be planning for it. You want to land on a long runway, into the wind, and in an emergency you don't want to waste time, so you are going to be planning your flight path, so it's not unusual to get all that punched into the flight director. It could have been that they where planning two way-points or that they knew that from their last way-point the airport/runway would be on a south heading so that's what they set up.
Remember, these guys where professionals. These guys do this stuff in their sleep, the Captain apparently did it for fun when off duty. They knew that their best chance was to get on the ground ASAP and that as they approached their intended destination, things would get very busy. To do this safely it requires a plan and then when things get busy you follow the plan by loading it into the automation as far in advance as you can.
Not to mention that there is zero chance that they'd make it more than halfway from their last known comms point to Africa on the fuel they had left. They might have made southern India... But I measured the distances, the tanks run dry almost exactly halfway to your destination. No knowledgeable person would have attempted that if they intended to snatch the aircraft. But, SURPRISE, the search area North West of Perth is almost exactly the distance where I figure the fuel runs out on the southern heading....
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