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Wretched Ride: PS4 Driveclub Game Rental Tied To Paid Subscription

MojoKid (1002251) writes "The upcoming PS4 game Driveclub is making waves for reasons that have nothing to do with its gameplay or development status. In a new video, the company has spelled out its free trial and upgrade policies, and the requirements are a doozy. First, the good news — PlayStation Plus subscribers will be able to download a demo of the game that contains a few maps and one trial area, India. If you choose to upgrade that version, the full title will cost you $50. Here's the catch — that purchase is tied to your Playstation Plus subscription. In other words, if you stop paying Sony the official $49.95 a year for PlayStation Plus, you lose your $50 game. This is completely at odds with how PlayStation Plus membership is supposed to work. It contradicts Sony's official FAQ, which states that: 'Any content you purchase with a Plus discount is yours to keep, regardless of you membership status.'"

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  1. Issues with always-online games? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This seems to be an unintended consequence of having an online-only game relying on service that is provided for a monthly fee. This wouldn't be an issue with the PS3 as online game play wasn't restricted to Plus subscriptions. I would have thought that people would have learned by now from the failures of EA/SimCity.

    1. Re:Issues with always-online games? by SydShamino · · Score: 2

      I would have thought that people would have learned by now from the failures of Sony.

      Fixed, but sadly, still broken.

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  2. It's the loophole by cdrudge · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Any content you purchase with a Plus discount is yours to keep, regardless of you membership status.

    Official response: Well you didn't purchase it, you licensed it.

    Silly consumers...

    1. Re:It's the loophole by mlts · · Score: 5, Funny

      Translation: " I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further."

    2. Re:It's the loophole by ArcadeMan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If we license the content, why are replacement discs the same price?

    3. Re:It's the loophole by _xeno_ · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I don't think that's the loophole, actually. Since technically as far as Sony cares you license everything, the physical disc just gives you a "license" to use the software on it.

      No, the distinction is that the "unlock" is "DLC" and the full version is a "game."

      One of the "perks" of a PSPlus subscription (in fact, the only perk prior to the PS4) was that you'd get discounts on the PlayStation Store and that sometimes you could get free games. If you got a "free" game through PSPlus, you only could use it while you have an active PSPlus subscription.

      Well, guess what? The demo version of this game is, in fact, a "free" PSPlus game. It's only available to PSPlus subscribers. So as soon as you drop your PSPlus subscription, you lose access to the demo.

      And the "full unlock" is DLC to said "free game," so if you drop your PSPlus subscription, you lose access to the entire game as you can no longer play the "base" game (the "demo").

      This whole thing strikes me more as laziness than out-right maliciousness. Someone realized it screwed people over, and then rather than try and fix it by making an exception, Sony said "fuck it" and reverts to screwing customers over, in typical Sony fashion.

      Still malicious (they could fix it, after all), but with a nice helping of being too lazy to fix a problem they clearly recognize exists.

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  3. Hey remember that E3 promo? by NotDrWho · · Score: 2

    You know, the one that made fun of MS for trying to pull shit like this.

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  4. Not FAQ Contradicting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, this is 100% in line with the FAQ. The PS+ version of the game isn't a demo. It's a low-content version of the game with a full trophy set. The $50 is DLC to add the missing cars, countries, and tracks to the PS+ version. The $60 version is a release which contains all of the above. You still own the $50 DLC. You just don't have access to the base game to be able to utilize that DLC. It's the same as any number of other games released on PS+. For example, LittleBigPlanet 2 has the Cross-Controller Pack, which provides you the ability to use a Playstation Vita as a second screen and a controller for the game that has unique play functionality. The pack also includes exclusive content (costumes, items, etc). If you let your PS+ subscription lapse, you can no longer play LittleBigPlanet 2, but you do still own the Cross-Controller Pack. You can no longer DO anything with that pack, but you do still very much own it, and regain access to its functionality if you resubscribe at some point.

    Think about it this way. If you bought Diablo 2 and the Lord of Destruction expansion, and later sold Diablo 2, you would no longer be able to utilize the content of Lord of Destruction. It's the same thing, people.

    1. Re:Not FAQ Contradicting by Guppy06 · · Score: 2

      Sony said something. How customers interpreted it and what Sony had in mind need not be the same thing (and often aren't).

  5. Market Opportunity by Akratist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Someone needs to really cash in on the idea of games which a) don't require you to buy a bunch of in-app purchases to actually beat the game, b) are yours to keep after you've paid the publisher/retailer some money, and c) don't make you feel like you just got raped after buying it. In other words, turn the clock back to the 90s before all the money grubbing got completely out of hand.

    1. Re:Market Opportunity by bws111 · · Score: 2

      Ha-ha! Good one! You are saying if you were to develop a game as described, some big mean company could just buy you out without your consent?

      The companies get bought because they are grubbing for money just like everyone else.

  6. PS+ and DLC by robmv · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is standard on PS+, if you get a "free" game via PS+ (all games received for "free" are tied to your subscription, PS+ discounted ones aren't) and you buy DLC for it, the DLC becomes unusable if you end your PS+ subscription. Sony tells you that when you hit the download button for one of those "free" games. You can buy the base game later if you don't want to continue paying for the PS+ subscription, and then your DLC will be usable on that game. I am a PS+ subscriber, I avoid to buy DLC for the "free" games for this reason, but everything is perfectly clear on the store when you buy.

    1. Re:PS+ and DLC by robmv · · Score: 3, Informative

      Looks like they fixed the offer

      UPDATE: Our priority for DRIVECLUB is to enable you to play and enjoy everything it has to offer and PlayStation recognises that the prior plan for DRIVECLUB entitlement for the upgrade to the PS Plus edition was not appropriate. As a result, we have adjusted the PlayStation Plus terms for DRIVECLUB.

      Now, If you intend on downloading DRIVECLUB PlayStation Plus Edition, and upgrading to the full game experience, you will have access to the full game even if your PlayStation Plus subscription runs out.

  7. There's a simple solution by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You try to bullshit me with your contract, I'm not entering it. Keep your game, I keep my money, let's see who can rather afford it.

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  8. change by dlt074 · · Score: 4, Funny

    if you like your video game, you can keep your video game.

  9. Re:MSRP of subscription MMOs by flitty · · Score: 2

    Nearly all MMO's have required a purchase of $60 with a free month included. Newer "Free-to-play" MMO's are usually offered for free to download, but have very heavy restrictions on what you can do, much like this Driveclub thing.

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  10. Sony is crapping the bed by Sandman1971 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Sony is really crapping the bed with the PS4. Very few games compared to XBox One, more exclusives going to XB1, dropping free multiplayer in PSN+, and now things like this. All things that PS fanboys used to make fun of in regards to Xbox. It's like they took most of what was great at the PS3 and did a full 180. Whereas I'm finding the XB1 to be a fabulous platform.

    (Disclaimer: I own both a PS4 and Xbox One and I'm not a 'fanboy' of either companies. Just calling it like it is)

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    1. Re:Sony is crapping the bed by vux984 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Honestly, I think both are crapping in the bed, and refuse to buy either. The exclusives are largely just uncreative re-hashes.

        Meanwhile, IMO, the PC is going through a bit of a gaming golden age right now.

  11. They don't learn by Daniel+Hoffmann · · Score: 2

    People fled gaming-PCs because of all the bullshit: obtuse DRM, all the half-done buggy games that need to be patched to be playable, the annoying installations and so on.

    Consoles now have way more bullshit than the old-school PC gaming ever had and this is why people will start to leave consoles for another platform (probably steam.)

    1. Re:They don't learn by khchung · · Score: 2

      People fled gaming-PCs because of all the bullshit: obtuse DRM, all the half-done buggy games that need to be patched to be playable, the annoying installations and so on.

      I take it you don't play console games, else you would have known that people fled gaming-PC because of the constantly escalating system requirements (what? my 2 year old PC is too slow for this new game already?!), headaches about driver compatibilities ("My game crashes a lot" -> "which video card are you using?"), blatant and widespread cheating, and of course, buggy games that are partly due to wide variety of hardware/OS combinations that are impossible to test for.

      Console, for better or worse, have uniform/very limited number of configurations (both hardware and OS level), and DRM-locked harder than a chastity belt, which naturally result in fewer bugs (fewer, not none), uniform performance for all players (no need to worry about minimum or optimal system requirements), and no hacks (at least not those within the machine).

      When I buy a console game, say, for my PS3, I just need to check the "PS3" logo to be almost 100% sure it will "just work" on my PS3, even though it was years old. Can't say that if I wanted to buy a game for my years old PC.

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  12. Re:MSRP of subscription MMOs by Charliemopps · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Did EverQuest, World of Warcraft, or any other subscription MMORPG cost money to "buy" at launch?

    All of them. It's very rare that a non-freemium MMO doesn't have a purchase price.

    I do not think they are even remotely comparable to this though. For that monthly fee, you're getting something. There's in-game support, constant development of new areas, improved rules, GM events, etc... You're paying to keep the online servers up, and the development to continue. MMO's are an entirely different animal than other games.

    I'd compare it to buying a bowling ball. If you buy a basket ball, you know you can use it where-ever, even setup your own hoop. Buy a bowling ball and you're totally aware that to play that game it's going to cost you $20 every time. It's part of the deal and you understand it. But what this developer is doing is akin to selling you a basketball with a coin slot on the side. You have to put coins in, but you get nothing in return. It's just a money grab.

  13. Re:Yours to keep by Richy_T · · Score: 2

    Insert Obama paraphrased quote here.